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Why are you still running systemd? Anonymous 10/24/2018 (Wed) 07:43:56 [Preview] No. 12921
Serious question, not sure what else to add.


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 01:12:33 [Preview] No.12924 del
I actually have to use it at work so I eventually switched to it at home.
Thinking about also switching to systemd-networkd and systemd-boot.


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 01:56:22 [Preview] No.12925 del
>>12921
Why not? All original and sane distros have switched to systemd, I guess they must have a good reason for that.
I don't exactly want to use some secondary product like devuan and have security updates delivered later than they could be.


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 02:18:43 [Preview] No.12926 del
>>12925
Agreed with Devuan and its lacking (security) updates. Though I do not agree that simply because systemd has been widely adopted it immediately good, there are many arguments against systemd, here are some of mine:
- A greatly increased attack surface
- Makes many packages depend on it (even though it was meant to be an init system)
- Weird design choices (binary logs)
- Lennart Poettering's PulseAudio was controversial and bug-ridden as well
- Doesn't give a damn about the UNIX Philosophy, is monolithic
- There are few good reasons for switching to systemd, IMO

Some resources:
https://nosystemd.org/
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
https://invidio.us/GNUGjFzenq4 ("The Systemd Conspiracy")
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/systemd-it-keeps-getting-worse/
https://ewontfix.com/14/ (2014, "Broken by design: systemd")
http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml (2015, "Why I dislike systemd")


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 07:31:03 [Preview] No.12932 del
>>12926
>- Makes many packages depend on it (even though it was meant to be an init system)
Software developers decide what their software depends on.


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 10:11:49 [Preview] No.12935 del
>>12932
I know, though since systemd is so great in its scope whenever one package depends on it all other packages depending on that package will have to download and install systemd as well.


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 10:28:50 [Preview] No.12936 del
Here's a great way to explore Linux distros without systemd:
https://distrowatch.com/search.php?ostype=Linux&defaultinit=Not+systemd

>>12935
Let me rephrase that:
Since systemd is so great in its scope packages are easily dependent on systemd, and whenever one package depends on it all packages depending on that package will have to download and install systemd (as with all other packages).


Anonymous 10/25/2018 (Thu) 11:46:19 [Preview] No.12937 del
>>12926
>Agreed with Devuan and its lacking (security) updates
I have a machine running Devuan stable (main rig) and another with Debian stable (needed for work), both get security updates at the same time. If anything there might be a bit of a delay for things that need repackaged but I have not noticed this myself.


Anonymous 10/26/2018 (Fri) 02:24:42 [Preview] No.12938 del
>>12926
>A greatly increased attack surface

- Makes many packages depend on it (even though it was meant to be an init system)
>install systemd
>now i3 depends on it
>can't remove systemd because I need i3
>cia niggers
- Weird design choices (binary logs)
*blocks your text search/manipulation tools path*
- Lennart Poettering's PulseAudio was controversial and bug-ridden as well
true, he's also a faggot
- Doesn't give a damn about the UNIX Philosophy, is monolithic
nobody gives a damn about UNIX Philosophy since the second world war


Anonymous 10/26/2018 (Fri) 02:27:29 [Preview] No.12939 del
I'm not


Anonymous 10/26/2018 (Fri) 10:17:29 [Preview] No.12941 del
>>12935
Whenever one package depends on X all other packages depending on that package will have to download and install X as well. Nothing particular about systemd here.
>>12936
>distrowatch
The list is full of garbage and nonames (which in reality often equals garbage). I'd probably only consider parabola or artix for desktop from the whole list.


Anonymous 10/27/2018 (Sat) 07:07:27 [Preview] No.12942 del
>>12941
>Nothing particular about systemd here.
True
>The list is full of garbage and nonames
DistroWatch could do a much better job, yes.
>>12939
I might consider installing Gentoo, I like the fact it is source-based by default, though I guess you'd need more capable hardware ...


Anonymous 10/27/2018 (Sat) 07:19:34 [Preview] No.12943 del
>>12937
I'm running ASCII (stable) now and upgrading to Beowulf (testing), hope I don't break my system.


Anonymous 10/28/2018 (Sun) 12:32:19 [Preview] No.12944 del
>>12942
Do note that it didn't even check package signatures until recently. Wouldn't recommend relying on it for any security whatsoever. As a toy OS in a VM it might be nice though


Anonymous 10/29/2018 (Mon) 06:34:03 [Preview] No.12949 del
Bedrock Linux based on Alpine


Anonymous 10/29/2018 (Mon) 22:19:31 [Preview] No.12959 del
>>12949
Neat, yet another half-baked OS (I guess). Why can't people simply contribute to an existing project instead of creating the Nth fork and letting it fail again and again.


Anonymous 10/30/2018 (Tue) 06:59:24 [Preview] No.12960 del
>>12959
>Neat, yet another half-baked OS (I guess). Why can't people simply contribute to an existing project instead of creating the Nth fork and letting it fail again and again.
Cause everyone has different idea of perfect distro


Anonymous 10/30/2018 (Tue) 09:25:34 [Preview] No.12962 del
>>12960
You're right, and to be honest Bedrock does do things quite differently though I don't see what's the use for it myself.


Anonymous 10/30/2018 (Tue) 09:39:10 [Preview] No.12963 del
>>12921
You should have spoilered those images


Anonymous 10/30/2018 (Tue) 10:40:17 [Preview] No.12964 del
>>12962
I want to use Alpine, but need some glibc dependent software. In that case, I use bedrock with Alpine and random glibc-based distro


Anonymous 11/26/2018 (Mon) 08:13:00 [Preview] No.13005 del
Redhat niggers and counter-contrarians love systemd.


Anonymous 11/28/2018 (Wed) 19:44:37 [Preview] No.13008 del
>>12921
I don't use SystemDick. OpenRC is fast enough and RunIT is even faster than SystemD. In reality, SystemD is more complicated and harder to configure (if it doesn't work out-of-box) than OpenRC/RunIT/SysVInit/BSD Init. There is something off with the push for SystemD. Just think about it. There isn't even one terminal emulator or file manager that everyone has agreed to use, but how come everyone loves (((SystemD)))?



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