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Anonymous Board owner 05/09/2018 (Wed) 22:40:59 [Preview] No. 12705
Welcome to /tech/, a technology board. This board is for general discussion of technology.

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User requested sticky link(s):

List of unwarranted paranoid security & computing practices (use at own risk[not a wiki]): http://hjvx7xg3n4ejezmh.onion/
Edited last time by _ on 06/19/2018 (Tue) 02:20:22.


Anonymous 05/12/2018 (Sat) 19:48:00 [Preview] No.12718 del
>Secure Computing Practices Links:
>http://hjvx7xg3n4ejezmh.onion/
>ExcludeNodes {US},{CA},{UK},{GB},{CN},{RU},{HK},{TW},{VN},{EG},{??},{AE},{AF},{AS},{AU},{BD},{BG},{BO},{BT},{CO},{CR},{CU},{CZ},{EC},{EE},{EH},{ES},{FM},{FR},{GF},{IE},{IL},{IN},{IO},{IQ},{IR},{IT},{JE},{JP},{KG},{KH},{KP},{KR},{KZ},{LA},{LB},{LR},{LT},{LU},{LY},{MX},{NZ},{PF},{PK},{PT},{RS},{SA},{SD},{SG},{SI},{SK},{SS},{SY},{TD},{TF},{TH},{TJ},{TK},{TM},{TN},{TR},{UA},{UG},{UM},{UZ},{VE}
ExitNodes {IS},{FO},{CH},{DK},{SE},{DE},{EE},{NL},{NO},{AT},{BE},{FI},{MC},{PL},{RO}, {GL}
this is fucking retarded on many levels
>largest section on the page is psychology
what a surprise


Anonymous 05/13/2018 (Sun) 00:24:29 [Preview] No.12719 del
>>12718
Explain. Your comment has no value here if you can't argument.


betamax Board owner 05/13/2018 (Sun) 09:10:41 [Preview] No.12721 del
>>12718
If two or more people don't want that link up, I can just take it down. It would be up on >>>/os/ since the person running /os/ is also hosting it for someone that goes to both /os/ and /tech/. It's not a true collective effort to say the least, it's just one guy who's curating the links and picked some ideas from a thread that he made on /tech/ so that he could make the claim that it was a collaboration, which if you treat him and the Endwall guy as /tech/ users, then sure, why not. It is not however, the "official end/tech/'s secure computing practices links". If you've got a better list, I might consider putting that up as well if it isn't half assed.


Anonymous 05/19/2018 (Sat) 04:50:03 [Preview] No.12736 del
>>12718
>All those exculsions
He needs to trim the exculsions way down and explain why each country is chosen. Ohterwise he is making people more insecure using that exclusion list rather than more secure.

If he doesn't understand what he is doing here (simple copy/paste from some random anon) he should remove that information entirely.

>>12721
The link is fine and he does have a disclaimer at the bottom, but that Tor exclusion list needs a heavy revision or be removed.


Anonymous 05/20/2018 (Sun) 00:01:07 [Preview] No.12738 del
>>12736
Does he has to explain why US, UK, China, Russia and all that stuff is bad? Seriously.


Anonymous 05/20/2018 (Sun) 22:08:34 [Preview] No.12739 del
>>12721
It should stay up, but if you disagree with the contents then debate it in the thread about the list, and that debate process would make it collective / community based. So that's 1 vote for to keep it up + >>12736 .

So that's two votes for keep it up.


betamax Board owner 05/22/2018 (Tue) 00:20:35 [Preview] No.12740 del
>>12739
I'm indifferent to it all, blind justice.


Anonymous 06/05/2018 (Tue) 03:48:35 [Preview] No.12759 del
>>12736
You are quite correct. Unfortunately, there's a lot of snakeoil security in that document and on /tech/ and /os/ in general. There are a couple of posters in particular who regularly dole out dangerously ignorant "security" advice.


betamax Board owner 06/05/2018 (Tue) 05:40:37 [Preview] No.12760 del
Should I make an attempt to restore some flags here?

>>12759
So another vote for removing that link? Fine by me


Anonymous 06/05/2018 (Tue) 08:17:39 [Preview] No.12761 del
>>12760
>So another vote for removing that link?
There's so much misinformation posted to /tech/ (see the Wireguard thread before I issued several important corrections, for example) that I'm not really sure it matters. If end/tech/ were a bigger board, I'd unironically think that the FUD and confusion that gets spread here was part of an alphabet-soup misinformation campaign, but I don't think they'd even waste a bot here. If you want to consider my post a vote for removing the link, that's fine. It has a number of serious flaws.

For example, absent the context of a threat model and an explanation of the caveats, that list of countries to exclude from Tor circuits is a hot mess, and whatever >>12738 may think, "US UK Russia China 'n' stuff r bad, mmmkay?" isn't a threat model.


betamax Board owner 06/05/2018 (Tue) 14:07:50 [Preview] No.12762 del
>>12761
Well I won't entirely remove the link, but I'll probably put up a disclaimer and change "Secure Computing Practices Links" into "Unwarranted Paranoid Computing Practices Links" and have a WIP section in the bottom of the sticky.


betamax Board owner 06/05/2018 (Tue) 14:31:07 [Preview] No.12763 del
The main reason I won't entirely remove the link is because this place is a slow board and any user interaction is seen as somewhat genuine with good intentions even through their lack of awareness might make them seem like they're doing otherwise. This time however, a couple of users are simply unaware of their own incompetency which can and is forgiven to an extent, but until they improve upon their work to meet a higher standard of quality for others, it'll be considered to be a work in progress content.

If anyone else want to share their own self hosted technology related website (no tripfags/namefags/avatars/LARPs) or some other neutral but informative website, I'll put it in it own section in the sticky.


Anonymous 06/06/2018 (Wed) 16:35:17 [Preview] No.12764 del
>>12761
Oh, nice try.
>FUD and confusion
You probably don't know what FUD mean.
>spread here was part of an alphabet-soup misinformation campaign
Clever, you're using or own rhetoric against us. You're the one claiming there's something bad in spreading secure software and hardware information, not us. The list never claimed to be perfect or the most updated with the current securite computing research areas. It's just a list that, well... lists stuff.
>absent the context of a threat model and an explanation of the caveats
Read the thread before will throw your opinion. The list is meant to be a list, not a wiki page. Threat model is irrelevant too. The purpose is not to protect from anything, it's to list stuff you could use. From "Who" you're going to protect, it's up to you.

The critics in this thread are not even critics. There's just opinions. Don't let you emotion interfere in you rational thinking.

ps. Yes, I'm the guy helping with the list. I don't give a shit if you remove, just make a ration decision and not listen to crying babies.


betamax Board owner 06/06/2018 (Wed) 18:22:45 [Preview] No.12765 del
>>12764
Consider the following:

1. If only a couple of people could update the page then nobody can truly contribute to the website without adhering to the biases of the people behind the website. Therefore, the "Contribute on Endchan" section linking to /tech/ is a lie when it should instead link to /os/.
2. The disclaimer is at the bottom of the page instead of the beginning and is self contradicting, claiming to not need a disclaimer yet proceeds to disclaim that "anything listed here at your own risk".
3. A list without an introductory summary to its overall theory behind it doesn't seek to properly justify its own existence to their targeted audience, ends up creating more "FUD and confusion" according to >>12761.
4. The list have a couple of links irrelevant to its own subject matter.
5. You have failed to grasp the criticism of others seeking to improve the list.
6. Because of all of the above, the list is seen as generic amateur script kiddie shit with unclear, suspicious, ulterior motives.
Edited last time by _ on 06/06/2018 (Wed) 18:26:48.


Anonymous 06/06/2018 (Wed) 18:33:54 [Preview] No.12767 del
>>12765
>script kiddie
Jeez, you really are that naive. I don't want to discuss anymore, it`s useless.


betamax Board owner 06/06/2018 (Wed) 18:44:42 [Preview] No.12768 del
>>12767
>denies any user contributions
Ah, so it's NOT a /tech/ contributed list huh? Then there's very much little to no reason to keep the link up on the sticky. Just don't pretend that it's the collected input of end/tech/ contributions anymore. Endwall guy would have much to say otherwise, keeping up a list that wasn't updated for at least six months, but that's more /os/ territory now.
Edited last time by _ on 06/06/2018 (Wed) 18:51:19.


betamax Board owner 06/06/2018 (Wed) 20:25:08 [Preview] No.12769 del
For those that lack the context, here's some old threads:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170603035754/http://endchan.xyz/tech/res/597.html
>>10740
>>11785

Notice the gradual change of who's contributing and also notice how that Tor thing was criticized since day one. These days, that anon is only spamming his own list that he had somehow convinced the Endwall guy, AKA Board Owner of /os/ to host, and people here really don't feel compelled to contribute to that list anymore. More could be said as to who that anon is but that's unnecessary for the time being. As much as it was a /tech/ thing, now it's mostly just a website for a certain someone to promote his list as if it is /tech/ approved which it is not.


Anonymous 06/06/2018 (Wed) 22:17:09 [Preview] No.12771 del
>>12769
>promote his list
Do you really think this matters that much to me? Take a guess, I don't.
You guys can do whatever you want. Endchan stopped being funny manny time ago, that's why I and anyone contributes anymore. I tried to do something. Didn't work. Time wasted.
Now go play moderator as you wish.


betamax Board owner 06/06/2018 (Wed) 23:02:34 [Preview] No.12772 del
>>12771
Yet you keep on crawling back here time after time to waste your time in your persistently broken english. Nobody's really falling for your funny business. Go bitch and moan elsewhere but you know all too well that I can't stop you from destroying this place, you'll bypass it one way or another.


Anonymous Board owner 07/03/2018 (Tue) 18:01:19 [Preview] No.12821 del
It is done.



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