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Vehicle Hacking Anonymous 01/16/2018 (Tue) 02:57:10 [Preview] No. 12198
Post and discuss the modification of vehicles!

Already have a laptop inside mine diverting power from the cars (Upgraded) alternator, and a few transmitters for improved communications and broadcasting.


Anonymous 01/16/2018 (Tue) 09:40:38 [Preview] No.12201 del
but why?


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 03:03:24 [Preview] No.12208 del
>>12201
Not information I am about to disclose, although I am not a police officer.

It's useful for multiple reasons, especially if you wire the laptop to the cars computer (Not Easy!) and semi-control the car with the laptop.


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 05:09:05 [Preview] No.12210 del
I'd rather not have my windows broken in by a moron who can't even tell a cheap laptop from an expensive one.

That being said maybe I should try to fiddle with the car computer. First thing is I should make sure it's even street legal in my commie state.


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 05:15:14 [Preview] No.12211 del
I'm not very into cars because they depress me. I see only two possible futures, either it becomes too expenside to drive without subsidizing it with Uber money and getting used to cleaning vomit off of your back seat, or vehicles become socialized and naturally government-tracked.


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 07:55:36 [Preview] No.12212 del
>>12208
Well now you have peaked my interest. I have a few questions:
How can you interface with the board?
What sort of limits does the board control?
Is the board running a full operating system or just firmware?


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 20:49:10 [Preview] No.12215 del
>>12212
All these questions require to know what is the manufacturer. Some probably only use electric system for turn on the engine, panel controls and air conditioning. Others most probably have a entire system (not just a simple kernel) that controls the break system and the engine (Tesla, for example).

You would probably need access to the ROM of each board, and then to hack you would need to flash it with a SPI EPROM flash device, such as Bus Pirate[1] or a BeagleBone Black.
So, first of all, you need to bypass the alarm system. Many people intercept the signal from the key[2]. Once you get into the car, dump the ROM using flashrom[3]. Go home, crack into it (probably has TPM authetication, good luck). Then go back to the car and flash the new ROM. If the car has 4G connection, you could (hypothetically) control it remotely...

Useful tools for hacking the ROM is a fuzzer, such as this[4], and some good knowledge on reverse engeneering (read the IOCCC contest tutorials).

p.s: I don't have experience with that, by the way.

[1] https://www.flashrom.org/Bus_Pirate
[2] https://andrewmohawk.com/2016/02/05/bypassing-rolling-code-systems/
[3] https://review.coreboot.org/cgit/flashrom.git
[4] https://github.com/FrankD/fuser


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 23:38:34 [Preview] No.12218 del
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>>12211
Me neither. Cars are old tech, your grandpa used to know how to fix his car and save money from going to a mechanic, but you shouldn't have to waste time on that. His grandpa tood him je should learn how to yake care of horses and look at how wrong that advice was. Fuck it, keep up with the curve, most of us would be better off learning to fix our computers and wi-fi instead.

If infrastructure investment and planning were a thing we would all be taking affordable high speed trains at this point and using ubers to the places we cannot. I hate owning a car, it's nonstop paperwork with the licenses, the insurance, the maintainence, and the lawsuits and traffic tickets. It's a big hassle and anyone who told you owning a car is freedom has never lived in a place where trains work and are on time, and where you can walk, bike, or hail a taxi to most places without having to spend an hour trying to find affordable parking relatively close to your metropolitan destinstion. Americans are cucked by their car fetish.


Anonymous 01/17/2018 (Wed) 23:42:42 [Preview] No.12219 del
>>12218
>Me neither. Cars are old tech, your grandpa used to know how to fix his car and save money from going to a mechanic, but you shouldn't have to waste time on that. His grandpa tood him je should learn how to yake care of horses and look at how wrong that advice was. Fuck it, keep up with the curve, most of us would be better off learning to fix our computers and wi-fi instead.
you sound like a complete fucking faggot.
>Wow we are so much smarter than stupid pleb mechanics that toil with their hands, we can fix a compooter.
kys pussy


Anonymous 01/18/2018 (Thu) 01:22:51 [Preview] No.12221 del
>>12218
You are looking at it wrongly, it isn't wrong to pay attention to relevant situations, such as owning horses or cars. Why not learn how to fix both cars and computers? I learned through reading and dismantling my own vehicle in a matter of weeks, you have no excuse faggot, especially when cars probably aren't going to be gone anytime soon.

Regarding the paperwork, the insurance, potential crashes, that is indeed bullshit, I've saved thousands by utilizing bikes and buses when suitable, but I still keep my car around for when I require it, especially if the government suddenly falls due to some unexpected problem and my only means of escaping is my car (Or stealing other vehicles, but good luck with that). Cars and internal combustion engines are highly interesting, Rudolf Diesel invented the diesel engine over 100 years ago, and affordable cars that could be distributed to everyone in the United States have been around for almost as long. Yes, Americans love their cars and having twenty different manufacturers pumping out three different versions of the same model in one-hundred different colors, but that is no reason not to purchase an older used car from an individual instead of a dealership or corporation.


Anonymous 01/19/2018 (Fri) 07:46:30 [Preview] No.12242 del
>>12221
I drive a hybrid and will drive an eletric soon. They told me understanding combustion engines would matter but they were wrong. I don't have time for your 100 year old tech.


Anonymous 01/19/2018 (Fri) 21:31:43 [Preview] No.12245 del
Why this thread got side tracker? Not even OP, but isn't it about "vehicle hacking"?
This is technology related, but this thread is not about it. Maybe create another one just to discuss engines and transportation technology...


Anonymous 01/19/2018 (Fri) 22:06:17 [Preview] No.12247 del
>>12218
I already do take care of horses though. And I can't really fix a modern car because it's basically proprietary shit all the way through, but honestly these days it's the difference between baking your own bread and going to Subway for grody sandwiches, it's such a suboptimal set of options.

I can't wait until the world explodes and we're on full Vampire Hunter D mode.


Anonymous 01/19/2018 (Fri) 22:19:03 [Preview] No.12248 del
>>12247
>full Vampire Hunter D mode


Anonymous 01/23/2018 (Tue) 02:11:06 [Preview] No.12269 del
Tesla Model S is remotely hijacked by glow in the dark CIA niggers, default. Period. I'm keeping my old vehicle.


Anonymous 05/10/2018 (Thu) 20:15:46 [Preview] No.12706 del
>>12212
>
>Well now you have peaked my interest. I have a few questions:
>How can you interface with the board?
>What sort of limits does the board control?
>Is the board running a full operating system or just firmware?
Search about comma.ai>>12215
>
>All these questions require to know what is the manufacturer. Some probably only use electric system for turn on the engine, panel controls and air conditioning. Others most probably have a entire system (not just a simple kernel) that controls the break system and the engine (Tesla, for example).

>You would probably need access to the ROM of each board, and then to hack you would need to flash it with a SPI EPROM flash device, such as Bus Pirate[1] or a BeagleBone Black.
>So, first of all, you need to bypass the alarm system. Many people intercept the signal from the key[2]. Once you get into the car, dump the ROM using flashrom[3]. Go home, crack into it (probably has TPM authetication, good luck). Then go back to the car and flash the new ROM. If the car has 4G connection, you could (hypothetically) control it remotely...

>Useful tools for hacking the ROM is a fuzzer, such as this[4], and some good knowledge on reverse engeneering (read the IOCCC contest tutorials).

>p.s: I don't have experience with that, by the way.

>[1] https://www.flashrom.org/Bus_Pirate
>[2] https://andrewmohawk.com/2016/02/05/bypassing-rolling-code-systems/
>[3] https://review.coreboot.org/cgit/flashrom.git
>[4] https://github.com/FrankD/fuser
Comma.ai.



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