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Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:07:17 [Preview] No. 25031
<<Why does Korea insist that the Japanese never apologised nor compensated for their actions, even to this day,
And How much all of the money japan has compensated Korea until now?>>
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Because ton of monies are involving in this issue.


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>>At 2018 again the Korean government decided to force Japan to pay $24 billion with the money coming from the 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. Korea tries to force this as compensation for WW2



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The only reason? Money.
Korea have never stopped asking for compensation, even until now.



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>in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.


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>And Japan's private assets in Korea amount to 5.3 billion dollars (1.98 trillion yen, about 15 trillion yen now converted) was given for free.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japan_and_the_Republic_of_Korea

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>And Infrastructure improvement introduced in Korea by Japan 【60 trillion yen】was given for free.


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>So the Total compensation payments at 1965 were 79.5 trillion yen
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and 1994
The Asian Women's Fund
a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.
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And 2015 ,
the Japan-korea agreements made over comfort women.
"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
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>Also, how often we apologize for war criminals…
>We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_
by_Japan



>That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:08:32 [Preview] No.25032 del
>>25031
>in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty, the following words are written. "Confirm that post-war processing will be complete and ultimately resolved" (Article 2, Article 1 of the Agreement)>>


<<and in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.>>

>However, after the conclusion of the treaty, South Korea utilized the money from Japan for national development without paying individuals for compensation. And never informed about it to the own korean people.
There is no doubt that the economic growth of Korea, which was said to be "the Han River's miracle", was made with the liquidation paid for this and North and South Korea as the driving force.>>


>And the Korean government surprisingly, has not informed the people about even this treaty itself. Is it to conceal what was diverted to national development without paying to individuals? Or maybe it is to aim for an increase in Japanese hate within the Korean people? Or perhaps both?


<<For that reason, Korea still considers that Japan is not fulfilling its promise and is outraged. Also, they are suing for damages that ended in Japan, and this is creating one of the big gaps between Japan and Korea. I think that it is necessary to know this well as well as Korean citizens and Japanese people.>>


<<Incidentally, this amount of compensation is for all areas of the Korean Peninsula, they took money for North Korea from Japan and used it for South Korea and they’re still asking compensation from japan, even now!
That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.>>


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:11:32 [Preview] No.25033 del
Comfort woman was nothing but a paid prostituter.

<<<<This is survey of the IWG national historians team of USA. >>>>
not Japanese denial of war crimes.


><<The IWG published a report focused on the Japanese war crime titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why the documents of japanese war criminals include about comfort women documents were scarce.
>
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg
/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-e
ssays.pdf
>>
>"Licensed prostitution was legal in prewar Japan, and Allied officials viewed the small part of the overseas system they uncovered as an extension of homeland practices. Prosecuting Japanese soldiers for rape, a notorious crime everywhere the army set foot, took precedence over investigating the circumstances of “comfort women,” who were seen as professional prostitutes, not as unwilling victims coerced into brothels by employees of the Japanese military."

>This analysis is in line with the "Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report 49" written in 1944, which describes "A 'comfort girl' to be nothing more than a prostitute or 'professional camp follower' attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers."

>The report further stated that this practice was not charged with criminal acts.
>"In part to reduce local resentment against Japan and in part to prevent the spread of venereal disease among its ranks, the Japanese military contracted private vendors to set up “comfort stations” for the troops as early as 1932. Again, this practice was known to the Allies but no criminal can harges were filed at the trials."

the IWG expressed disappointment at the preface of the report because the IWG uncovered and released very few Asian theatre records.
thus, the IWG apologized to the Global Alliance for Preserving the History of WWII in Asia,which was involved in the commencement of this project.


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:12:44 [Preview] No.25034 del
very shamefur dispray


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:13:26 [Preview] No.25035 del
>>25031
the Japanese paid repeatedly during 2015, with the Korea-Japan agreements made over comfort women.

"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."


Almost all the old comfort woman took the money and accepted the agreements at the time of president park, but the Korean media hid it.


Korean government did this:


1. Paid 10 million yen to surviving comfort women based on the Korea-Japan Agreement and paid 2 million yen to the families of dead comfort women.


2. Three-quarters of surviving comfort women, 36 out of 47 people, accepted. Of these, 34 had already received aid.


3. Of the family members of 199 dead comfort women, they also accepted the bereaved families of 68 people.


Comfort women and their families accepted and reconciled the money as a problem with the Korea-Japan Agreement, but only President Moon has provoked and instigated trouble, as if the agreement had problems.


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Also The Asian Women's Fund also abbreviated to アジア女性基金 in Japanese, was a fund set up by the Japanese government in 1994 to distribute monetary compensation to comfort women in South Korea,


<<[1]Approximately ¥600 million ($5 million) was donated by the people of Japan and a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.[2][3] >>


<<Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the prime minister, stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."[4] >>


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Women%27s_Fund


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:14:29 [Preview] No.25039 del
Also here is the evidence of the comfort woman had really high payments.
A former Korean comfort women participated in a trail in 1992 that they wanted us to refund the money she collected at that time to the Japanese post office.
26,145 yen (now converted about 40 million yen) which we deposited 12 times from June 1943 to September 1945.


<<At the time, salary details of about 40,000 were submitted to the Japanese court in 1993 by a wartime comfort woman herself.>>


40,000 is equivalent to 20 million yen nowadays. That’s staggering.

Monthly income comparison (1943)
· Prime Minister 800 yen Tojo Hideki
· General Army 550 yen
· Sergeant Chair 32 ~ 75 yen
· Sergeant Armament 23 ~ 32 yen
· Corporal, 20 Yen
· Heavyweight commander 13,5 yen
· Secondary soldier 10,5 yen
· First class soldier 9 yen
· Second Nurse Secondary 9 ~ 6 yen
The comfort women at the time repaid the parent's debt after being prepaid 300-1500 yen. You can see how much that’s worth by comparing it to the list above.

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Salary details of comfort woman was recorded even by the survey of USA, Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49 (1944)
These are also official documents of USA national archives.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Japanese_Prisoner_of_War_Interrogation_Report_49

The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. """This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred yen. """ .


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:15:13 [Preview] No.25040 del
Well, next up is whether this is a large amount. Well, Germany was presented with ample compensation after the war, so let's refer to Germany. Compensation for German forced laborers is between 300,000 yen and 800,000 yen in present value conversion, even the highest Jewish slave labour is 800,000 yen. It’s obvious, looking at these values, that Japan's post-war payment to Korea was incredibly costly.
The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time, which shows how high it was. Incidentally, this amount of compensation is for all areas of the Korean Peninsula, they took money for North Korea from Japan and used it for South Korea and they’re still asking compensation from japan, even now!
That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.
Also, how often we apologize for war criminals…
We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_
by_Japan


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:19:21 [Preview] No.25041 del
>>25033
As you can see, there is not really any real evidence of backing up the stories of the 200,000 sex-slaves (Comfort Women) by the Japanese army in World War II.


Even that number of the 200,000 korean comfort woman itself is no any confirmation and no any realistic supporting evidence of it.
During the Pacific War, 10,000 to 20,000 people worked as comfort women in Japanese military About half were Japanese who apply job by herself and about 20% were Koreans.
200,000 of korean only comfort woman is just impossible.


All we have related this issue are testimonies which suddenly appeared around 1980 and they’re barely supported by any real evidence.


Yes, the Japanese did commit various war crimes, including rape, just as it’s happened in any other war fought by anyother army, even during this century. But those criminals are arrested and punished by Japanese law system during the war and also after the war.


The point is, this comfort woman situation has involved exaggerated , malicious and fabricated information.


The story of the 200,000 comfort woman involves mass kidnapping, mass rape and mass murdering of all of those under the command of the Japanese army are just a exaggerated and fabricated storys and no evidence as result of survey conducted by the national American historians team.
The final IWG report to Congress.
http://www.archives.gov/iwg/reports/final-report-2007.pdf

Also,<<The IWG published a report focused on the Japanese war crime titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why comfort women documents were scarce.
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-essays.pdf >>

One controversy which is surprisingly minor is that around Korean hypocrisy. Koreans were very active in recruiting women in Korea & China, Korean soldiers, camp guards & workers (many were conscripted to work for the IJN & IJA) had access to them & took advantage of it, & South Korea maintained the system after WW2. Many thousands of Korean women were coerced or forced into brothels for troops, both Korean & UN, during the Korean War & afterwards - including under the rule of the current president's father.And korean gorvenment earn a lot by selling own korean woman as prostituter.Raising this in S. Korea triggers a very hostile reaction.


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 08:23:13 [Preview] No.25042 del
Conclusion
Comfort woman was paid prostituter
And
Korean now is begger to get money from japan


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 11:28:42 [Preview] No.25048 del
>>25042
are we seeing another war between korea and japan?

anime vs k pop


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 16:16:07 [Preview] No.25054 del
Don't we have the exactly same thread here:
>>24056
?


Bernd 04/22/2019 (Mon) 17:17:40 [Preview] No.25056 del
>>25054
I see now it adds more info on comfort women. Sill that doesn't need a new thread when the previous one still is alive.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 11:35:25 [Preview] No.25115 del
about the so-called “Nanking Massacre”.

Historically, this was the massacre of 50,000-300,000 Chinese civilians conducted by the Japanese army. This information was exaggerated for the purpose of propaganda.

This is already common knowledge to historians all over the world.

Every single photograph of the massacre either was fabricated, a photo from the Chinese civil war,
listed here:
257Eremn">http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp257Eremn
ant/nankingm.htm

The war in Nanking between Japan and China did indeed happen.
There was a war at Nanking, where they fought against each other and massacred 50,000-300,000 civilians, but this is an exaggeration.


The IWG, USA’s National Historical Team published a report focused on Japanese war crimes titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why documents regarding the crimes were scarce.
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg/
japanese-war-crimes/introductory-es
says.pdf

Military involvement is necessary to massacre 50,000–300,000 people in Nanking, but no evidence of military involvement in those incidents has been found.

Since most actual Japanese military records were scarce and nothing was found, even by a survey conducted by the IWG.
Historians have been unable to accurately estimate the death toll of Nanking at all.


In the Chinese civil war, the Chinese were nearly 10 times the amount of their own citizens as died in the Nanking Massacre. Here is all the evidence.
Benjamin Valentino estimates that between 1927 and 1949, the death toll among the Chinese between the civil war is 1.8 million to 3.5 million.

It is more than clear that the Nanking story was made (by the communist party of China ) to hide the fact that the civil war took nearly 10 times the amount of lives that the so call massacre did, (and encourages people to hate Japan instead of the Chinese communists.)


This is the biggest reason there is never any evidence of Nanking, based on the documents, but there are only the pictures. This does not back up any of the primary evidence, nor is it proof of the massacre.
257Eremnant/nankingm.htm">http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp257Eremnant/nankingm.htm


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 11:36:07 [Preview] No.25116 del
>>25115
Initially, there were only 250,000 people in Nanking city (the Nanking citizens' refugee population at the time of occupation), 300,000 ~ 500,000 people (as insisted upon by the Chinese side) could not have been killed, and there is no logical evidence backing up the number.
Luis S · Smyce, general secretary of Nanjing International Safety Zone International Committee in the war, conducted a damage survey three months after the fall of Nanking. The population of Nanjing is 250,000 people. The findings of these international organizations are generally available materials. So we can easily conclude that the story of the massacre of 50,000–300,000 civilians is an impossibility, and exaggerated propaganda. Even if the Chinese government conducted a survey on the national scale over that half century or more, the remains of the bone of the 50,000–300,000 dead citizens in Nanking were, surprisingly, never found.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 11:36:26 [Preview] No.25117 del
Even if the war crimes committed by Japanese soldiers were in Nanking, since the Chinese army at that time did not surrender, the enemy soldiers on the battlefield must have been shot. Even in self-defence, it is normal that Japanese soldiers will attack Chinese soldiers.

And as Chinese soldiers disguised themselves as civilians, becoming clothing soldiers, they are engaging in terrorist activities aimed at the Japanese army. Under international law, even if we treat them, even if we give some civilian damage, international law will be the responsibility of the Chinese army who implemented the strategy. Also, there is no logical evidence that Japanese soldiers attacked Chinese civilians aimed at.
You can imagine that at the time of Nanking, they were at war like Iraq or Afghanistan are now.

The story of the indiscriminate massacres of the general public by the Japanese army have no supporting evidence at all, even by the survey conducted by the IWG.

Anyway, about Nanking massacre.
Take a look at this website, as it is the most clear. You can read everything about the Nanking massacre in detail.

257Eremn">http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp257Eremn
ant/nankingm.htm

And compare the pictures of the Chinese civil war and the Nanking massacre.
You can see that the so-called “Pictures of the Nanking massacre” are just the pictures of the Chinese civil wars.
In Chinese civil war, the Chinese were killing each other 10 times as much as the amount of casualties in the massacre. Here is all the evidence.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:08:44 [Preview] No.25130 del
>>25048
>>25056
If you have something question pls tell me. I’ll answer.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:13:53 [Preview] No.25132 del
>>25130
how did you learn english

what do you think of europeans are we weird


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 17:38:16 [Preview] No.25135 del
>>25130
Well, I had some thoughts I wrote them in the previous thread, but am gonna copypaste it here:
>If I understand it correctly Japan gave that 800 mil as a reparation not just for the state of South Korea, but also for North and the people (individuals, families) of both for whatever crimes/war crimes Japan admitted of doing or was claimed by Koreans. Despite the repeated payments Koreans still asking for more?
>Since there are documents Japan should refuse to pay and point out the agreement and the payments for those who try to cash in. Maybe put the case in front of an international court - here for us this would be Strasbourg I think, I'm not sure in case of East Asia who is the responsible authority, who is privy.
>If the documents aren't sufficient to close the matter down and put everything behind, Japanese govt. should sit down with the representatives of both Korea and discuss it once and for all. It should be make clear, that this would be the last talks about this, no more demands and no more gibsmedats.
>I think this would be fair - judging by the information given.
>Also Koreans sounds like the Jews of East Asia.

But I have a question too. What you shared with us here, do these count as "revisionist" ideas?


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 18:17:23 [Preview] No.25136 del
Meanwhile Greece wants 200 billion € from Germany as reparations. Replace Japan with Germany and Korea with Greece in OP.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:21:11 [Preview] No.25138 del
>If I understand it correctly Japan gave that 800 mil as a reparation not just for the state of South Korea, but also for North and the people (individuals, families) of both for whatever crimes/war crimes Japan admitted of doing or was claimed by Koreans. Despite the repeated payments Koreans still asking for more?

A: yes. I mentioned how much japan paid to south and noth of korean here >>25031
South Korea took even money for the noth korean and they used up it for the economical development of south.>>25032

South Korea is asking to pay compensation of ww2 at 2018 again
and its from 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. It will be $24 billion of money. Because "two hundred twenty thousand"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".
South Korea already forcefully seize the property of some of Japanese companies already.
Japanese gorvenment is saying if korean "sell" the property of Japanese companies which they seized,then japan will do economical sanctions on Korea and go to the international law of the justice immediately.





>Since there are documents Japan should refuse to pay and point out the agreement and the payments for those who try to cash in. Maybe put the case in front of an international court - here for us this would be Strasbourg I think, I'm not sure in case of East Asia who is the responsible authority, who is privy.

A: japan is preparing international court of the justice.
Newest agreements about comfort woman was 2015.
Announcement by Foreign Ministers of Japan and the Republic of Korea at the Joint Press Occasion
You can see everything here
https://www.mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/kr/page4e_000364.html

Also 1965
Treaty on Basic Relations between Japan and the Republic of Korea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japan_and_the_Republic_of_Korea

>in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty, the following words are written. "Confirm that post-war processing will be complete and ultimately resolved" (Article 2, Article 1 of the Agreement)>>
<<and in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.>>

Also The Asian Women's Fund also abbreviated to アジア女性基金 in Japanese, was a fund set up by the Japanese government in 1994 to distribute monetary compensation to comfort women in South Korea,


<<[1]Approximately ¥600 million ($5 million) was donated by the people of Japan and a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.[2][3] >>


<<Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the prime minister, stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."[4] >>


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Women%27s_Fund

> Q: If the documents aren't sufficient to close the matter down and put everything behind, Japanese govt. should sit down with the representatives of both Korea and discuss it once and for all. It should be make clear, that this would be the last talks about this, no more demands and no more gibsmedats.

A: yes read upper part of answer. Japanese do again and again and again about those discussions but korean just never accept it and keep on asking other compensation and anti japan movement with national scale even now, they never stop asking compensations even at 2018.

korean is being victim propaganda business to get huge amount of money from japan. Again and again and again.

>But I have a question too. What you shared with us here, do these count as "revisionist" ideas?

A:discussion based on the treaty of the nations and based on the exact documents are revisionist?
We are under the controll of the ideology of the post ww2. Ww must overcome it or else we can’t ebrn discuss based on the "facts".


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:28:29 [Preview] No.25139 del
By the way, Try to Name even one interesting culture from Korea that is not related the statement of "this was originated in Korea not japan!"
Or not related just anti Japan statement
Or not related plastic surgery.

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Their whole culture revolves around hating Japan and having plastic surgery.
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No one except korean have a such a pathetic culture.



>annexed by japanese
>postcolonial state's national identity revolves around resentment and obsession about japan
>all industries and institutions were made and/or assisted by japan
>copies everything japan does/has, and then claims origin
>"japan is this, japan is that" make up for like 99% of domestic arguments
>"overcoming japan" is literally the national motto
>even its sworn enemy, the northern brother, is a shitty wannabe imperial japan
>so butthurt that even a name of sea, the sea of japan, triggers them because it has japan

>the abnormal obsession is easily noticed by foreigners
>the Korean government even had ads on the airport subway line complaining about the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute, trying to asset Korean sovereignty over them to every foreign visitors
>japan puts the stalker on a watch list, an gooks confuse it with attention
>can't help but post "see, korea is featured in a TV-show in dai-nippon! they are obsessed with us!" on a fucking japanese website

What a sad people Koreans are...


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:36:03 [Preview] No.25140 del
>>25138
Well, then Japanese govt. should tell Koran govt. that go to hui.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:42:02 [Preview] No.25141 del
>>25140
Do you have still questions?


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:43:23 [Preview] No.25142 del
>>25141
Maybe tomorrow.


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:44:35 [Preview] No.25143 del
Ok


Bernd 04/24/2019 (Wed) 20:22:05 [Preview] No.25144 del
Anyone who has the question about this issue. Pls ask me and I’ll answer.


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 04:51:37 [Preview] No.25150 del
don't trust the Japanese
the far-right there actually claims that the pacific war was about liberating Asia from white imperialism
they're not your friends
they're anti white and especially anti Europe
and from the center to the left they're just copying US culture
so no matter which side gets to the top they're anti european


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 05:17:20 [Preview] No.25151 del
>>25150
<<<<This is survey of the IWG national historians team of USA. >>>>
not Japanese denial of war crimes.

Comfort women was nothing but a paid prostituter


><<The IWG published a report focused on the Japanese war crime titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why the documents of japanese war criminals include about comfort women documents were scarce.
>
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg
/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-e
ssays.pdf
>>
>"Licensed prostitution was legal in prewar Japan, and Allied officials viewed the small part of the overseas system they uncovered as an extension of homeland practices. Prosecuting Japanese soldiers for rape, a notorious crime everywhere the army set foot, took precedence over investigating the circumstances of “comfort women,” who were seen as professional prostitutes, not as unwilling victims coerced into brothels by employees of the Japanese military."

>This analysis is in line with the "Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report 49" written in 1944, which describes "A 'comfort girl' to be nothing more than a prostitute or 'professional camp follower' attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers."

>The report further stated that this practice was not charged with criminal acts.
>"In part to reduce local resentment against Japan and in part to prevent the spread of venereal disease among its ranks, the Japanese military contracted private vendors to set up “comfort stations” for the troops as early as 1932. Again, this practice was known to the Allies but no criminal can harges were filed at the trials."

the IWG expressed disappointment at the preface of the report because the IWG uncovered and released very few Asian theatre records.
thus, the IWG apologized to the Global Alliance for Preserving the History of WWII in Asia,which was involved in the commencement of this project.


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 05:23:48 [Preview] No.25153 del


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 05:28:35 [Preview] No.25155 del
>>25150
That's not how international relations work.
Every nation keeps it's interest first (or should) and deals with those with common interest. If interests are crossing each other the result is confrontation, which has both diplomatic and military ways to solve.
Hate of others is just a tool to prepare the people for confrontation. But everyone pushing their own agenda is everyone's job, there's nothing surprising or sinister in it.


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 06:57:33 [Preview] No.25156 del
>>25155
Yes that’s why we have logic ,primary evidence and law to prevent those situations right?

Many people is saying japan never apologized about war criminals.
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If this is not apologize then what is the apologize means?
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Example of Japanese apologizes 1
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The Asian Women's Fund also abbreviated to アジア女性基金 in Japanese, was a fund set up by the Japanese government in 1994 to distribute monetary compensation to comfort women in South Korea.
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Read well here
<<<Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the prime minister, stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."[4] >>>
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<<[1]Approximately ¥600 million ($5 million) was donated by the people of Japan and a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.[2][3] >>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asi
an_Women%27s_Fund
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Example of Japanese apologizing 2

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2015 agreements of comfort woman.
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Read well here
>(1) The issue of comfort women, with an involvement of the Japanese military authorities at that time, was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of large numbers of women, and the Government of Japan is painfully aware of responsibilities from this perspective. As Prime Minister of Japan, Prime Minister Abe expresses anew his most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women.
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"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."


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how often we apologize for war criminals…
We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_
by_Japan


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 07:03:19 [Preview] No.25157 del
>>25150
Also South Korean President now is openly activist of the communism and support noth korean and follow China against the rule of the UN and will of the Western society of democracy nations.
Noth korea is makeing ICBM missiles supported by Russia and SK which can reach even NY city only about 40minnits and it’s flying at super high society hard to prevent!

Only japan is the one in east Asia who is openly full supporter of the USA and democracy side.

In your logic do not fooled by korea and China.


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 07:55:29 [Preview] No.25158 del
>>25157
>>25157
>Also South Korean President now is openly activist of the communism and support noth korean and follow China
I dont see any problem with that, they are a sovereign nation after all

china is the upcoming superpower after all, usa is on the decline


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 08:38:16 [Preview] No.25160 del
>>25158
What? Then what we have international law.

If you think this is not problem then you are just do not know anything and do not know what are you talking about.

SK is sending 300tonnes of oil to NK without telling anyone. And against the Rule of the UN.


https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/news
.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/43zymn/
south-korea-supplied-oil-to-north-k
orea-and-didnt-tell-anyone
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South Korea breached UN rules by failing to report more than 300 tonnes of petroleum products sent to North Korea in 2018, according to a report published Wednesday.

South Korea supplied oil to North Korea and didn’t tell anyone
The revelation comes amid a standstill on denuclearization talks between Washington and Pyongyang.

By David Gilbert
|
Jan 23 2019, 2:00pm

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/news
.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/43zymn/
south-korea-supplied-oil-to-north-k
orea-and-didnt-tell-anyone




<<<And NK is makeing ICBM missile that could reach even NY city with in About 40 minutes and 30 seconds, With Nclear weapon.>>>


SK=NK.


Korean president moon is vital betrayer of western democracy nations and he keep on support NK.
that against the Rules of the UN, and against the will of the USA, EU and Japan.


NK never stop makeing nuclear weapon with ICBM supported by Russia and China And also SK.


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 10:14:38 [Preview] No.25161 del
>>25160
>international law
japan very rarely follows international law m8


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 10:57:42 [Preview] No.25163 del
>>25161
Submit example what you are talking about.
Go ahead


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 10:58:00 [Preview] No.25164 del
>>25158
>>25161
NK ICBM missile with nuclear weapon is supported by highest space teacnology of the Russia and its a super high-altitude flight missile. So it’s hardly prevent even by the teacnology of the USA if it’s launch already.
Missile will reach even NY city with in About 40 minutes and 30 seconds, With Nclear weapon.
So USA is under the risk of the being nuked by even NK now and fucking SK is supporting this action of the NK by sending the materials and oil by ship-to-ship cargo transfer.
President moon of SK is openly pro communist and he never hide it at all.


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 11:15:47 [Preview] No.25165 del
>>25164
Communist nations could have excuse to nuke USA useing NK.
They can say "we communists nations never nuked USA it was just crazy NK did it.
So USA is under the risk of the being nuked by even NK now and fucking SK is supporting this action of the NK by sending the materials and oil by ship-to-ship cargo transfer.
It was reported by the CNN already about it.
President moon of SK is openly pro communist and he never hide it at all.
W can see how shamelessly betrayers SK are


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 11:26:07 [Preview] No.25168 del
>>25164
they cant feed their people but they are making missiles? come on, its all a show. rocket man is just playing a game


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 14:16:45 [Preview] No.25186 del
>>25167
Whaleing and these topics of the thread are not related at all and every county has those issue against something UN or so but supporting NK to make ICBM and whaleing or such matter wil be cant be comparisons.

Too stupid to reply


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 14:23:34 [Preview] No.25188 del
Bytheway reminder

Many people is saying japan never apologized about war criminals.
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If this is not apologize then what is the apologize means?
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Example of Japanese apologizes 1
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The Asian Women's Fund also abbreviated to アジア女性基金 in Japanese, was a fund set up by the Japanese government in 1994 to distribute monetary compensation to comfort women in South Korea.
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Read well here
<<<Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the prime minister, stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."[4] >>>
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<<[1]Approximately ¥600 million ($5 million) was donated by the people of Japan and a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.[2][3] >>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asi
an_Women%27s_Fund
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<

Example of Japanese apologizing 2

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2015 agreements of comfort woman.
<
Read well here
>(1) The issue of comfort women, with an involvement of the Japanese military authorities at that time, was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of large numbers of women, and the Government of Japan is painfully aware of responsibilities from this perspective. As Prime Minister of Japan, Prime Minister Abe expresses anew his most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women.
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"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."


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how often we apologize for war criminals…
We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_
by_Japan


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 16:30:46 [Preview] No.25199 del
>>25186
>Too stupid to reply
and yet you did reply.

whaleing has everything to do with this topic


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 17:12:45 [Preview] No.25202 del
>>25199
No it doesnt


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 17:52:27 [Preview] No.25203 del
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>>25202
I was joking m8


Bernd 04/25/2019 (Thu) 18:36:55 [Preview] No.25205 del
>>25157
>>25164
>>25165
I understand your side of this, noone likes to be nuked and from where you stand it might seem like SK supports NK.
However they have a dangerous situation there and SK with Moon just try to diffuse it, and normalize the relations between the two half Korea. SK doesn't want to be nuked either, what can they do?
Also even more dangerous countries - like the Soviet Union - didn't use nukes. Why? Mutually assured destruction. If NK attacks someone, it might harm certain targets, but NK will be no more it is sure.
Also you don't need to defend the USA. They're capable of doing it themselves, and they see what's happening, they will do something if they judge it dangerous to them.

>>25167
Whaling isn't really related.

>>25188
All right, we get it, no need to repost it.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 05:01:59 [Preview] No.25217 del
>>25205
Wrong. Firstly only the realistic way we can stop the NK to make nuclear weapon is hard economical sanctions. As like USA did to the Venezuela.
SK is just helping NK for the own advantage.
They have already agreements of that NK will not nuke SK. And if NK could have nuclear weapon it’s big advantage for the Russia and China because they can use NK for the excuse of attack anywhere of the earth by let NK to shot.
So SK have to choose the position to stand with democratic West nations or stand for the communists.
Bytheway First of all , they have to end this by themselfs just send army and fight themselfs to controll the NK. They are relly on always someone else.
SK is not doing anything for the benefit of the democracy nations but almost everything is for the benefit of the communists nations.
We don’t allow such hypocrites act of SK.


Bernd 04/26/2019 (Fri) 09:48:59 [Preview] No.25225 del
>>25217
well japan has already been bombed before so how hard can it be?


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 06:34:47 [Preview] No.25297 del
Bytheway for the reminder
<<Why does Korea insist that the Japanese never apologised nor compensated for their actions, even to this day,
And How much all of the money japan has compensated Korea until now?>>
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>""Because ton of monies are involving in this issue.""
<
>>At 2018 again the Korean government decided to force Japan to pay $24 billion with the money coming from the 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. Korea tries to force this as compensation for WW2
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Each of the "220,000"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".
South Korea already forcefully seize the property of some of Japanese companies in Korea at 2018.(crazy but this is the reality.)
<
>korean is always saying what they need is apologize from japan, then why they are keep on asking such a stupidly huge amount of the money again and again even at 2018.This is the hypocritical act of them
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""They fools the world, to get money and advantage from Japan endlessly.""
<
The only reason? Money.
<
>1965 in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.
<
>And Japan's private assets in Korea amount to 5.3 billion dollars (1.98 trillion yen, about 15 trillion yen now converted) was given for free.
<
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre
aty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japa
n_and_the_Republic_of_Korea
<
and 1994
The Asian Women's Fund
a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.
<
And 2015 ,
the Japan-korea agreements made over comfort women.
"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
<
>Also, We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_

by_Japan



>That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 17:40:13 [Preview] No.25315 del
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>>25217
In case of the reparation and the apologizing you seem to be right, but now you aren't reasonable.
Now you've just started to demonize SK via association. A false at that. SK is allied with the United States, she isn't on the side of NK and China.
Maybe with NK she has an agreement but these kind of agreements are just a show of goodwill (they can be considered null and void any time). They are trying to finally and the war (which is still ongoing) and stop tensions. Your suggestion that they should go and fight isn't viable. If you aren't the USA but another developed country you can't afford a military that could stand in an open war, the standard of living would take a hit that the population wouldn't like at all - if they are hooked on it they just can't let it go.
Also NK with her 10-20 nukes (this data is from Wikipedia, not sure how reliable) isn't really threatening. I would be more worry about that 6-6 thousand that USA and Russia has. Or the few hundred all the others nuclear weapon states has.
And since we are at worrying. Communism isn't threatening nowadays. I would sooner worry about evil capitalists taking over the world. Or Catholics. Or Satanists - apparently it's a danger as the other thread suggests. But I can worry about all kinds of imperialistic endeavors. The USA's, Russia's, China's, Germany's, France's, and frankly even Japan's. But I don't worry any of that, I'm too busy speculating how Hungary could take over the world finally.
And btw, I'm pretty sure they ain't building the paradise of the proletariat there in NK with that 300 tons of oil.


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 17:42:29 [Preview] No.25316 del
we all know north korea is best korea


Bernd 04/28/2019 (Sun) 22:46:51 [Preview] No.25330 del
>>25315
>I'm too busy speculating how Hungary could take over the world finally.


Bernd 04/29/2019 (Mon) 13:08:27 [Preview] No.25339 del
>>25315
>I would sooner worry about evil capitalists taking over the world.
they already did though, nothing to counterbalance their stupidity. hence the world is getting more imbecile everyday despite it's easier to educate.


Bernd 04/30/2019 (Tue) 16:11:45 [Preview] No.25391 del
Meanwhile in animeland, that refuses to pay reparations for inventing anime and imageboards, the emperor of Nippon stepped down and enjoys retirement now.


Bernd 04/30/2019 (Tue) 16:39:58 [Preview] No.25392 del
>>25391
Gonna ask /librejp/ waht's up.


Bernd 04/30/2019 (Tue) 18:14:55 [Preview] No.25397 del
>>25391
I heard about this. I though he's just retiring and giving his son his turn to rule now.


Bernd 04/30/2019 (Tue) 18:19:49 [Preview] No.25398 del
>>25397
You thought right.


Bernd 04/30/2019 (Tue) 19:06:42 [Preview] No.25400 del
>>25397
It's literally the end of an era and they invented a new word and sign for the new one.


Bernd 05/01/2019 (Wed) 15:08:26 [Preview] No.25455 del
and every Japanese gets 10 days off as holiday for the coronation of the new tenno.


Bernd 05/02/2019 (Thu) 05:17:12 [Preview] No.25474 del
Eveyone Biggest news in east Asia . This day has come.
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SEOUL (Kyodo) -- A team of lawyers for South Koreans awarded damages from Japanese steelmaker Nippon Steel Corp. and machinery manufacturer Nachi-Fujikoshi Corp. over wartime labor said Wednesday they have asked a court to sell the firms' assets seized in South Korea to secure the compensation.
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It needs still three month to estimate and sell the Japanese assets korea seized.
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Now Japanese gorvenment move to actual economical sanctions on korea now
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Japan announced already, if korea sell the assets of japan which korea seized then japan will do economical sanctions on korea
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[List of economic sanctions that Japan announced to Korea]
・ Stop issuing a letter of credit for import and export of Korea
・ Remove Korea from the application of trade insurance
・Remove Korea from the White Country List
・ Raising tariffs on Korean products
・ Insurance increase of import and export of Korea
・ restriction of Permit remittance to Korea
・ Export restrictions of strategic substances such as hydrogen fluoride
・ Samrai bond issuance restriction
・ Permanent freeze of swap and fishery agreement
・ Freezing financial cooperation including the area of funding
・ Freeze visa exemption
・ Strictization of immigration
・ Refuse to join TPP
・ Korea property foreclosure in Japan
・ Japanese companies sue Korean plaintiffs group
・ Japanese companies withdraw capital from Korea
・ Tax investigation to Korean companies
・ Do not hold the Japan-Korea Summit Meeting
・ Discontinue the cooperation between the Japan Self Defense Force and the Korean Army (If necessary, the Japanese and the US Army will operate under the authority of the US Army without Korean permission. USA has authority of korean army even now.)
・ We will send Japanese ambassadors to Japan
・ Withdraw the Japanese Embassy in Korea
・ Dissolve the Japan-Korea Rep. Federation
· Eliminate direct flights from Korea to regional airports
· Eliminate exchanges between local governments and economic unions
・ Sued Korea to the International Court of Justice
・ Sues Korea to WTO

Relationships between japan and Korea will end.


Bernd 05/02/2019 (Thu) 20:02:01 [Preview] No.25501 del
>>25474
Is this fresh news?
Bold move. But if Japan wants something she might have to do it.


Bernd 05/02/2019 (Thu) 20:03:38 [Preview] No.25502 del
>>25474
why are japs butthurt over korea? it should be the other way around, japan raped korea for many many years.


Bernd 05/02/2019 (Thu) 21:57:06 [Preview] No.25508 del
>>25502
>>25502
because korea never shut up. it gets annoying when someone is literally become famous for getting raped, invaded or genocided. it's like being a mocked imitation of jews.


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 13:10:17 [Preview] No.25541 del
>>25501
Yes read this article
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Japan-sanctions-threat-on-South-Korea-sparks-supply-chain-fears

A Samsung chipmaking facility in Hwaseong. The South Korean group depends on Japanese suppliers. (Photo courtesy of Samsung Electronics)
SEOUL -- The prospect that Japan could impose economic sanctions on South Korea over a legal dispute concerning wartime labor cases has raised anxiety in Seoul and among companies on both sides that depend on cross-border supply chains.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry said Wednesday that Kim Yong-kil, director-general for Northeast Asian affairs, will meet here Thursday with his Japanese counterpart Kenji Kanasugi to discuss the issue, in which Japan-based industrial groups have been ordered to compensate forced-labor victims

The two senior diplomats may discuss a sanctions threat issued by Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso this week that set off alarm bells. And listed the sanctions.



https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190501/p2g/00m/0na/055000c

SEOUL (Kyodo) -- A team of lawyers for South Koreans awarded damages from Japanese steelmaker Nippon Steel Corp. and machinery manufacturer Nachi-Fujikoshi Corp. over wartime labor said Wednesday they have asked a court to sell the firms' assets seized in South Korea to secure the compensation.


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 14:07:02 [Preview] No.25549 del
>>25540
fucking shut your mouth before you speak

its typical of psychopaths to blame the victim of its atrocities.


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 16:00:35 [Preview] No.25550 del
>>25549 it’s a big business useing ideology of ww2

<<Why does Korea insist that the Japanese never apologised nor compensated for their actions, even to this day,
And How much all of the money japan has compensated Korea until now?>>
<
>""Because ton of monies are involving in this issue.""
<
>>At 2018 again the Korean government decided to force Japan to pay $24 billion with the money coming from the 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. Korea tries to force this as compensation for WW2
<
Each of the "220,000"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".
South Korea already forcefully seize the property of some of Japanese companies in Korea at 2018.(crazy but this is the reality.)
<
>korean is always saying what they need is apologize from japan, then why they are keep on asking such a stupidly huge amount of the money again and again even at 2018.This is the hypocritical act of them
<
""They fools the world, to get money and advantage from Japan endlessly.""
<
The only reason? Money.
<
>1965 in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.
<
>And Japan's private assets in Korea amount to 5.3 billion dollars (1.98 trillion yen, about 15 trillion yen now converted) was given for free.
<
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre
aty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japa
n_and_the_Republic_of_Korea
<
and 1994
The Asian Women's Fund
a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.
<
And 2015 ,
the Japan-korea agreements made over comfort women.
"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
<
>Also, We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_

by_Japan


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 16:01:05 [Preview] No.25551 del
>>25549
>A lot of people is saying japan never apologized about war criminals.
<
>If these are not the apologize then what is the apologize means?
<
Example of Japanese apologizes 1
<
The Asian Women's Fund also abbreviated to アジア女性基金 in Japanese, was a fund set up by the Japanese government in 1994 to distribute monetary compensation to comfort women in South Korea.
<
Read well here
><<<Each survivor was provided with a signed apology from the prime minister, stating "As Prime Minister of Japan, I thus extend anew my most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women."[4] >>>
<
<<[1]Approximately ¥600 million ($5 million) was donated by the people of Japan and a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.[2][3] >>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asi
an_Women%27s_Fund
<
Example of Japanese apologize 2
<
2015 agreements of comfort woman.
<
Read well here
>(1) The issue of comfort women, with an involvement of the Japanese military authorities at that time, was a grave affront to the honor and dignity of large numbers of women, and the Government of Japan is painfully aware of responsibilities from this perspective. As Prime Minister of Japan, Prime Minister Abe expresses anew his most sincere apologies and remorse to all the women who underwent immeasurable and painful experiences and suffered incurable physical and psychological wounds as comfort women.
<
"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
<
https://www.mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/kr/page4e_000364.html
<
Also We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_
by_Japan


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 16:03:20 [Preview] No.25552 del
>>25549
Also who is the saying comfort woman was just a paid prostituter is not japan but a national resurching histriana team of the USA

Read the picture

Comfort woman was nothing but a paid prostituter.

<<<<This is survey of the IWG national historians team of USA. >>>>
not Japanese denial of war crimes.


><<The IWG published a report focused on the Japanese war crime titled “Researching Japanese War Crimes, Introductory Essays”. In the report, the IWG analysed the reason why the documents of japanese war criminals include about comfort women documents were scarce.
>
https://www.archives.gov/files/iwg
/japanese-war-crimes/introductory-e
ssays.pdf
>>
>"Licensed prostitution was legal in prewar Japan, and Allied officials viewed the small part of the overseas system they uncovered as an extension of homeland practices. Prosecuting Japanese soldiers for rape, a notorious crime everywhere the army set foot, took precedence over investigating the circumstances of “comfort women,” who were seen as professional prostitutes, not as unwilling victims coerced into brothels by employees of the Japanese military."

>This analysis is in line with the "Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report 49" written in 1944, which describes "A 'comfort girl' to be nothing more than a prostitute or 'professional camp follower' attached to the Japanese Army for the benefit of the soldiers."

>The report further stated that this practice was not charged with criminal acts.
>"In part to reduce local resentment against Japan and in part to prevent the spread of venereal disease among its ranks, the Japanese military contracted private vendors to set up “comfort stations” for the troops as early as 1932. Again, this practice was known to the Allies but no criminal can harges were filed at the trials."

the IWG expressed disappointment at the preface of the report because the IWG uncovered and released very few Asian theatre records.
thus, the IWG apologized to the Global Alliance for Preserving the History of WWII in Asia,which was involved in the commencement of this project.


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 17:14:06 [Preview] No.25553 del
>>25550
He sounds rude but he might pulling your leg. I can repost your stuff but it should have been clear already what's going on so I guess if he ignores it, he does it on purpose.
Be cool.


fix Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 17:14:39 [Preview] No.25554 del
>>25553
>I can repost
I meant:
*you can repost


Bernd 05/04/2019 (Sat) 18:38:31 [Preview] No.25558 del
>>25554
>>25553
Ok thanks bro.
By the way do you have questions more?


Bernd 05/05/2019 (Sun) 20:01:04 [Preview] No.25606 del
>>25558
I'm fine for now.


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 06:55:36 [Preview] No.25618 del
Other topic.
History of Korea.
>We can compere korea and Okinawa and we can know the situation very well.
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Japan and China had war at 20 century and Korea was finally independed from the tributary puppet states of China.
But became puppet state of japan instead.
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At 17century, One other country was being the same process of it. It’s okinawa.
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Okinawa / Ryukyu was exactly the same situation of korea as the tributary puppet states of China.
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At 17century, samurai clan of the Kyushu invaded Okinawa and got political power of Okinawa. and china could not do anything for it and Okinawa was ruled by japan from that age. (Anyway Okinawan has one of the purest Jomon DNA from the first.)
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About korea, they were complitely being tributary puppet states of China until 20century.
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culture of at that age of korea was complitely chinese Confucianism. And korean have to give a lot of money to china every year. and it had festivals that korean king entertains Chinese embassy as more higher positions than Korean king. (it had also in Okinawa.)
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Japan and China had war at 20 century and japan won. Korea was became puppet states of japan as like Okinawa at 17century.
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Korean at that time was developed rapidly by the Japanese style modernism and disciplines of the imperial Japan.
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Japan lost the ww2 and anti japan group of korean ruled Korea and its continued even now (Kim of nork was one of example.)
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got Korean War and separates noth and south. And modern korea was finally formed.
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In short, Oh Shit..
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What is the difference of the situation of Japan and Korea , Okinawa.
Japan kicked out the embassy of ancient China and call themselves as "nation of the rising sun Nihon with own emperor of the rising sun Tennou Heika with the own army samurai shogunate" and stop tributes to China at 7 century.
Korea and Okinawa was failed to be like japan and keep on tributes with China until 20century.
(Okinawa was under the japan at 17 century) .
this is the difference.


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 06:56:24 [Preview] No.25619 del
>>25618
Koreans really need to realize that in they are an insignificant little country that hasn't ended up being just another part of China (yet) by pure chance.
Like what the fuck. Korea has pretty much always been a Chinese region, no different than Guandong or Manchuria or Okinawa Ryukyu , and now keep running into some Korean wewuzdakangz stories all over the internet.
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Korea existed because the Japanese took over some land from China.


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 06:57:31 [Preview] No.25620 del
>>25618
>>25619
What is korean culture exactly?
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Korean whole culture revolves around hating Japan and having plastic surgery.
<
Try to Name even one interesting culture from Korea that is not related the statement of "this was originated in Korea not japan!"
Or not related just anti Japan statement
Or not related plastic surgery.
<
I have never seen anyone answer this.
<
No one except korean have a such a pathetic culture.



>annexed by japanese
>postcolonial state's national identity revolves around resentment and obsession about japan
>all industries and institutions were made and/or assisted by japan
>copies everything japan does/has, and then claims origin
>"japan is this, japan is that" make up for like 99% of domestic arguments
>"overcoming japan" is literally the national motto
>even its sworn enemy, the northern brother, is a shitty wannabe imperial japan
>so butthurt that even a name of sea, the sea of japan, triggers them because it has japan

>the abnormal obsession is easily noticed by foreigners
>the Korean government even had ads on the airport subway line complaining about the Dokdo/Takeshima dispute, trying to asset Korean sovereignty over them to every foreign visitors
>japan puts the stalker on a watch list, an gooks confuse it with attention
>can't help but post "see, korea is featured in a TV-show in dai-nippon! they are obsessed with us!" on a fucking japanese website

What a sad people Koreans are...


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 06:58:36 [Preview] No.25621 del
>>25620
What is the modern martial arts of korea?
What is the korean culture exactly?
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Daito Ryu+aikido+laido+karate= hapkido
that is not korean tradition.
<
>Keep in mind that the founder of the Hapkido never called his art Hapkido until later on (that is another controvery in its own right). He called his art Yawara 柔. (It means Japanese jiujitsu 柔).
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Please be cautious when you study Korean martial arts under Korean teachers. They have a bad habit of distorting history and stealing the origins. Kumdo, Yudo, Hapkido,and Taekwondo associations are all publicly claiming they completely originated in Korea, in fact they all derive from Japanese martial arts(Kendo,Judo,Aikido and Karate).
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/watch?v=Fd8oWLXhNG0 /watch?v=FaOCQ9AQyP0
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Look what Hapkido was like in 60's. It looked much more similar to Aikido in those days.
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/watch?v=d_Bt29btUtk
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The founder of Hapkido Choi YongSul had trained Daito-ryu Aikijutsu under the Japanese master before the war. And both Aikido and Hapkido are written 合気道 in Chinese characters.
/watch?v=SW4J5WCrCEU


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 06:59:49 [Preview] No.25622 del
>>25621
Until recently, official line of Hapkido organization was that HKD is a Korean origin. Any similarity to Japanese aikido was due to the *fact* that Korean originated jujitu. Link to choi was hardly mentioned. It only recently that choi's photo start to pop up in HKD dojang.

>Keep in mind that the founder of the Hapkido never called his art Hapkido until later on (that is another controvery in its own right). He called his art Yawara 柔. (It means Japanese jiujitsu 柔).

Choi openly claimed that he was uchideshi of Takeda and represented himself as one of, if not THE student of OS Takeda. He also stated in an intervie that he accompanied Takeda all over Japan and even to Hawaii for a historic presentation in the 1930-s. Moreover, "To date, no evidence, including registrations, taxes, diaries, first-hand witness reports, immigration, employment, census have been found to support these oral traditions." Hence any stories about him being secret student of Takeda or Takeda's wife are bull and obviously proposed by people who needed to make up explanations for the lack of evidence. Also, Choi himself seem to have misrepresented his martil arts background quite frequently.


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 07:01:17 [Preview] No.25623 del
>>25622
"Anyway, ALL of the prominent Hapkido masters learned from him and his lineage spread rapidly. The odd thing is that most of his students (read, present teachers) deny any connection to him and instead assert that what they teach has 1000-2000 years of Korean martial history, back to the Hwarang etc."

Right here, I have issues. GM Ji, Han-jae, who is the leading authority of HKD has never made a claim to 2000 year old bs. He will be the first to admit that He learned under GM Choi.

"One thing I think is certain, Choi Yong-sul learned something in Japan, was very good at it, and managed to pass it on very well as Hapkido is now everywhere."

Keep in mind that he never called his art Hapkido until later on (that is another controvery in its own right). He called his art Yawara.

"He must have had some knowledge to Daito-Ryu because he at least knew Takeda Sokaku's name. Another problem is that his students modified Hapkido to the extent that it has totally changed. However, apparently, Kim Yun-sang from Kunsan claims to be teaching Hapkido in the original form that Choi Yong-sul taught it."

You don't have to even travel that far. GM Rim, Jong-bae claims to teach "pure" Hapkido as he learned it from GM Choi. Yet another American GM who does not lay claim to 2000 year old bs.

I will say this. I like the links and the articles and I am going to look into GM Jang In-mok as this is the first I have heard of him. Thank you for the information.

Again, for everyone here, I am not saying my report is the written word to be followed. I am more than willing to keep an open mind and explore other avenues. However, I still believe that GM Choi was the grandfather of what we now call HKD. I have yet to find a HKD GM here in America that will not trace his lineage back to Choi.


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 07:02:13 [Preview] No.25624 del
>>25623
>>25622
>>25621
>>25620
>>25618
>>25622
Those are note about what is korean culture and modern history of korea?
Thank you


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 15:23:52 [Preview] No.25633 del
>>25624
>Thank you
your welcome


Bernd 05/06/2019 (Mon) 17:05:27 [Preview] No.25645 del
>>25618
>>25619
>>25620
From this description tho they sound like Ukraine, kek.
Well then it's about time to have their own country and the opportunity to create their own culture. For this they need time to mature.
Be understanding.
Or do you wish to conquer them again and force them into servitude, deny any possibility from them to step out from the shadow of China and Japan. Btw they could be part of China again, would you prefer that instead?
Also I dunno how a Japanese would sound but I doubt you are one.
>nork
Would a Japanese use this expression? Sounds to much 4chan to me. I only saw this word used on Kohl, but those get their lingo from 4chan, so easy deduction.


Bernd 05/09/2019 (Thu) 03:55:29 [Preview] No.25703 del
>>25645
Sorry for late reply.
First of all I’m japanese I can show my passport too(it’s bit lazy to do so anyway)
SK is doing too much and japan will kick out then and do some economical sanctions on them as I explain here>>25474
And let them to be like Venezuela and controll by USA or by democratic nation to be just the wall against China
This is needed or else korea will be just pro China nation more and more day by day
If it’s to much goes it then too late


Bernd 05/09/2019 (Thu) 15:10:11 [Preview] No.25708 del
>>25703
I had no time and this might sound less word to explain anyway


Bernd 05/09/2019 (Thu) 15:52:37 [Preview] No.25710 del
>>25703
No problem. I like to take my time to reply. No need to be hasty.

South Korea want to remain a sovereign nation, just like every other on this planet. China is a threat to them in the region same as to everyone else. USA is a strategic partner, but it lays far away.
If Korea looks around she sees a hostile North and three threatening powers - China, Russia and Japan - around her. Granted probably Russia is the one who she needs to fear the least since Russia's main attention is on the other side of Eurasia, and China keeps her in check anyway (except maybe on the islands north of Japan, Kuril and Sakhalin and such).
So only two country remains, the still politically communist Great Dragon, main backer of North Korea and the former occupier Japan. Ofc South will push for more, it's in her interest but she sees the only possible partner for... well, for anything in the region is Japan. And ofc the same goes for Japan.
Friendship isn't needed for cooperation. Korea will always demand something, Japan has to jobs: 1. not allow to be exploited and stand up for herself; 2. not falling to the other side of the horse and antagonize South Korea permanently.
Hanguk has the same job...
You might have hard time to see things in their entire clarity due to emotional involvement, but you should recognize what's reasonable (standing up against unfair demands) and what's counterproductive (smearing South Korea with false accusations, like they are communist supporters).


Bernd 05/09/2019 (Thu) 19:35:39 [Preview] No.25723 del
I give this a bump for why not.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 07:58:58 [Preview] No.25743 del
>>25723
I was talking to a Korean on Kohl the other day whose posts were formatted in the same way as this Japs but he was instead making the opposing argument in favor of Korea. Korean Bernd was critical of the Japanese for being rude to Koreans in general and he went on to allege that such rude behavior was becoming more frequent because of Korea's strong economic growth. I don't have a stance on the historical issues between the two peoples so I tried to ask him why modern Korean culture was so disappointing compared to that of the Japanese and other irregulars but he never answered so it is a mystery.
>>25620
Is it really that simple? Why can't Korean culture be more competitive now? What do Koreans smell like? Why is Manhwa so absolutely shit? I need to know, please.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 08:39:34 [Preview] No.25745 del
>>25743
to add to the economic debate. japanese economy have been stagnate since the 90's. just the insane gdp to debt ratio that the japanese state has is utterly baffling. korean economy on the other hand have been like a rocket since the 70's. wouldnt suprise me if s.korea will have a bigger economy than japan in 5-10 years.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 08:48:20 [Preview] No.25749 del
>>25743
I've never been to Korea, and don't know any personally. There's a couple manwha I read, one is long going and pretty good but it's becoming a little long in the tooth and is kind of like that TV show lost in that, for every one answer we get another 5-10 questions pop up.
Another one, The Breaker, had two seperate series, the beginning and its sequel were pretty damn good. The third part may come this year as the author and artist did a completetly different series at the end of part 2 of the Breaker and said part 3 would come when they finished that distinct series and now its over.

The only main problem with Korean culture is popularly in the last 20-30 years they've basically been much more heavily influence by the west so in their pop culture they're often criticized as either stealing from America or stealing from Japan. They do not seem to have as many curious aspects as Japan does.

I think there is resentment from the Japanese because of Korea at least on the surface has more appears to have more sovereignty than Japan and have their own military. The thing is the Asian countries usually get into pissing contests with each other all the time over stupid shit. China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, one little misstep or Freudian slip and people are calling for apologies and boycotts.

tbh though, I don't know. All I know are the discussions and common arguments I see amongst western weebs and koreaboos, and then news and stuff I see from my various interests in asian stuff.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 09:02:39 [Preview] No.25750 del
>>25749
korea seems to be tougher because of the compulsory military service they have to do. japs just seems like softies.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 09:36:45 [Preview] No.25756 del
>>25750
sweden has compulsory service as well right? South Korea actually breaks some conventions regarding it, if you don't do it, if you're a consicentious objector you go to jail, which they're supposed to have some non-military related service you can do in lieu of actual military training/service.

I heard about a Chinese/Korean singer who paid a doctor off to say he had crippling diabetes to get out of his service and when they found out I think they revoked whatever sort of immigrant status he had or possibly even his citizen ship. I want to say he was Chinese born, with Korean heritage and possibly a dual citizen.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 09:41:48 [Preview] No.25757 del
>>25749
I'm not sure where the perception of either Korea or Japan having more or less sovereignty comes from. Functionally they're the same as any other friendly U.S vassal state in the region today, only that Japan has their JSDF and uniquely pacifist legislation; but Abe's working on changing that.
>common arguments I see amongst western weebs and koreaboos
Christ, I've never seen anything like that before. I wonder what an argument between Japanophiles, Sinophiles, and uh, Korean Wavers(?) would look like.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:11:55 [Preview] No.25763 del
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>>25757
the soveignty thing is just an assumption on my part that you've got a country in Korea that used to be colonized by Japan, and now since World War 2 they more or less compete with Japan and as Swede bro points out economically they are becoming stronger and have their own military. I've never heard of any Japanese person admitting this as to why they don't like Koreans but most of their hatred for them seems rather irrational.

As for the infighting amongst the various weeabo sub-races I think it's just monkey see monkey do. They look at say Japan as superior, and know the Japanese look down on Koreans so they do to. Usually they say shit like all Korean women have plastic surgery, which is becoming pretty common world-wide I'd surmise and not a uniquely Korean thing. Most of the Japanese starlets I see do have a more natural look but it's not like I've seen a ton of them.
Also, that Koreans steal everything and don't have their own culture. Thing is it doesn't seem like Asians in general respect other countries' copyrights. China is an obviousy point. Creatively speaking Japanese media gets a lot more play but I don't really know if that's because they already have companies and publishers in the US to push the stuff on us or if it's a case of the cream rising to the top so to speak. Original Chinese animation is something I'm starting to see over here with the joke being ACTUAL Chinese baby cartoons, so it'll be interesting to see what comes out of that but tbh the only thing I've seen thus far is a typical isekai thing about a guy getting sucked into an MMORPG but lots of people are claiming that it's amazing FWIW.

Okay I was wrong with what it is about. A guy is really good at an MMO and then retires. But he starts working at an internet cafe and starts playing again on new server.

Seemingly not atypical plot-wise but it's not the now very over-done concept of being sucked into a game or a different world. CGI Burger and fries too.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:13:13 [Preview] No.25764 del
>>25756
now its a professional army. not that military service makes you more masculine but perhaps a bit less effeminate.

the whole border thing with n korea makes it logical to have enforced military service.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:19:14 [Preview] No.25766 del
>>25763
>that Koreans steal everything and don't have their own culture
japan pretty much did a ctrl c ctrl v 100 years ago from western countries except they never stopped copying

https://soranews24.com/2014/02/28/surprising-knock-off-goods-from-japan/

https://www.quora.com/Are-Chinese-really-good-at-copying-hacking-and-stealing-the-developed-nations-latest-technology


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:26:40 [Preview] No.25768 del
>>25745
>>25743
I’ll reply one by one of the things.
Anyway about korean economy
A lot of korean is thinking korea surprassed western europ already.
And thinking korea is extremely rich country.
Let’s see if it’s true or not.
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GDP, GDP per capita, Exporting rate ,average wage ranking and minimum wage per hour is only the truth.
HDI or PPP or such are fucking memes and gooks could feel good only by those meme number
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1:
<<by the List of coutries by average wage 2017, (economically best year of korean bubble economy ).
South Korea is 2 rank poorer than Spain.the same level of Israel and slovenia .>>
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List of coutries by average wage 2017
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_countries_by_average_wage
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Sweden 42,393
Japan 40,863
New Zealand 40,043
Spain 38,507
Italy 36,658
South Korea 35,191
Israel 35,067
Slovenia 34,933 26,713
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2:
GDP per capita. 2017
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per

_capita
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<<Korean GDP per capita is Poorer than Puerto Rico and Bahamas
And arround the same level of the Spain.>>
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United Kingdom
39,800
Japan
38,448
United Arab Emirates
37,732
Italy
31,996
Bahamas
31,660
Puerto Rico
31,581
South Korea
29,938
Spain
28,358
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3:
GDP ranking
Japan is third biggest GDP japan alone.
Korea is 11th place. 7 stage smaller economy than japan. And japan has 3 times bigger GDP than Korea.
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4:
Exporting rate
japan is one of the highest nations exporting prodact next to Germany.
And offcouse far higher exporting rate more than korea.
https://www.statista.com/statistics
/264623/leading-export-countries-wo
rldwide/
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5:
minimum wage per hour 2018
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Japan
Tokyo 8.81 us doller
Osaka 8.36 us doller
And
Korea
Seoul 7.03us doller.
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But slicely higher than Okinawa 6.60 us doller(poorest place of japan).
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And this is the reason korean is keep on saying they surpassed japan at minimum wage per hour
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https://www.statista.com/statistics
/641616/south-korea-minimum-wage/


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:34:44 [Preview] No.25769 del
>>25768
About korean economy
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"'Korean domestic economy "'
is already ended.
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At 2018 "South Korea's jobless rate hits highest level since the global financial crisis"
The jobs report showed the labor-intensive retail and accommodation sector, which lost 202,000 jobs in August from a year earlier, was the hardest hit.
A total 105,000 jobs were lost from manufacturing industries, the report said.
https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.
cnbc.com/amp/2018/09/12/south-korea
-jobless-rate-hits-highest-level-si
nce-financial-crisis.html
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S.Korea's minimum wage hike disappoints workers, business
"We can't accept the decision by the Minimum Wage Commission," the Korea Federation of Enterprise said in a statement.
"business owners are at a crossroads where they cannot help but choose either business shutdowns or staff cuts," the association said, adding that they were facing a "miserable reality."
https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/0
7/15/18/skoreas-minimum-wage-hike-d
isappoints-workers-business
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Korean people can't earn money in korea. Now. Because domestic economy of Korea got crisis right now
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so a lot of korean have to work shit work in japan including prostitution and have to learn Japanese.
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Also employment rate of Japanese university students graduated this spring was (98.0%).
This is the highest since the survey began in 1997 It is 30 points higher than the SK employment rate (67.7%) .
that the Korean Ministry of Education graduated in December last year
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Korean living in Japan: 855,725
Japsense living in Korea: 53,670
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So many korean is liveing in japan and very fewer Japanese is in korea.
why?
>
Korean have to move to japan to find the job even a lot of prostituter in japan is korean.
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>But Korean Samsung is bigger than all shitty nip electronic companies combined.
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>And japan has three times bigger economy than Korea do know know this meanings?
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Korean economy entirely dependent on exports and the export industry. the 8 big companies make up something like that 80% of their entire GDP, which explains why so many of them lives miserable lives and kills themselves if they fail their exams, because they don't have a well developed diverse economy, if you don't get a job in one of those big export companies, you have bleak future.
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And worst things is those business of korean run by that 8 big companies which is 80% of korean GDP is replacing and loseing by chinese business every year.
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Again
"'Korean domestic economy "'
is already ended.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:34:57 [Preview] No.25770 del
>>25766
not to mention, during the meiji era Japan sent envoys to all sorts of European countries to copy their modern military systems. Britain for their navy and Portugal for their army I learned in my history classes. I've never been able to find anything to back up the Portugal claims, but it turns out my professor was wrong and it was the French military whose army Japan copied.

>>25768
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-43497017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Quality of life in Korea does not seem very great for the average person.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GgSKQt6ecYA [Embed]


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:38:09 [Preview] No.25771 del
>>25770
You are right.

The reason of your point can be explained by this.
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Korean economy entirely dependent on exports and the export industry. the 8 big companies make up something like that 80% of their entire GDP, which explains why so many of them lives miserable lives and kills themselves if they fail their exams, because they don't have a well developed diverse economy, if you don't get a job in one of those big export companies, you have bleak future.
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And worst things is those business of korean run by that 8 big companies which is 80% of korean GDP is replacing and loseing by chinese business every year.
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Again
"'Korean domestic economy "'
is already ended.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:55:24 [Preview] No.25773 del
>>25772
Read
Such things you point out are normal capitalism but what the problem here>>25768

Face the reality


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 10:59:25 [Preview] No.25774 del
>>25745
Your saying is impossible becouse of >>25768


And what is the Japanese economical development.
We develop by Japanese style.
We increased influence and effect of JPYEN to be financial nations with teacnology for the industrial machine

Read this

though the country remained the biggest creditor nation for the 27th straight year.


It was announced on Friday that the balance of Japan's net external assets at the end of 2016 grew 2.9% from a year ago to 349 trillion yen ($3.13 trillion) -- the first increase in two years.

The Finance Ministry attributed the increased figure, which reflects assets held overseas by Japanese businesses, government entities and individuals minus such debts, to Japanese investors' accelerated business acquisition activity overseas and increased purchases of foreign bonds.

The latest figure, announced by Finance Minister Taro Aso at a Cabinet meeting, is second only to the 363 trillion yen for the end of 2014. It makes Japan the world's biggest creditor nation for the 26th consecutive year.


At the end of 2016, the balance of external assets totaled 997 trillion yen, up 5.0% from a year ago, reflecting more active overseas expansion by Japanese companies.

The stronger yen, however, has meant foreign currency-denominated assets decreased when measured in yen value. The yen at the end of 2016 had risen 2.3% against the dollar and 5.9% against the euro, compared to a year earlier.

The balance of external debts grew 6.2% to 648 trillion yen, driven by foreign direct investment into Japan and Japanese bonds purchases by foreign investors.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:01:49 [Preview] No.25775 del
>>25745
Read this too

What is the superiority of Japanese prodacts and what is the difference prodacts from china and Korea,
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First of all what japan make is "industrial machine".
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Japan is exporting industrial machines and real high technology which korean and chinese can not make at all.
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Japan is not a makeing house-holding-machine like phone or semiconductor as like chinese company is replaceing that business of korean day by day,
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Japanese technology is used for the professional industrial situation.so ordinary people can not awear how high teacnology of japan are.
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>many manufacturer in this world ultilize FANUC robot hand which is a Japanese company.
Without robot hand of Japanese many other industry of this world can’t do even business properly.
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Other example,
Japanese manufacturers have the highest level of strength in the "industrial Machine for the semiconductor manufacturing equipment" .
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Japanese manufacturers hold about 40% of the global market of it.
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about 80% of the world share of The industrial machine for makeing the semiconductor was ruled by Japan and the USA.
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the top 10 semiconductor manufacturing equipment industrial machine in 2017, 5 company are Japanese companies.
The remaining 5 companies are USA and EU.
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Do you realize? Chinese and korean company can not make those industrial machine which requires "real highest teacnology".
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But what they can make is just assembling house hold machine like phone, Semiconductors and TV and so on.
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>Especially ,korea will be kicked out even that business by the Chinese company.
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>So korea need to have real high technology as like USA or eu or japan to be. Part of real first world.
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>But korea is lack of "foundamental resurch".
>Korean have even ZERO novel prize.except one Nobel peace prize.(It’s not big meaning for the teacnology.)

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Korea could not be real high teacnological country as like USA, EU and Japan.
<and other korean business was replaced by China.
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Korea is game over. No any factor to rise again now in front of the rise of Chinese businesses replacing Korean every years.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:02:55 [Preview] No.25776 del
>>25775
Also sience technology of japan.
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high level pure Hydrogen fluoride.
It’s very important to prodact the semiconductors.
But only three companies of the entire world from japan can make high level pure Hydrogen fluoride for semiconductors.(world share 100%).
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And do not miss understand that high level puerility hydrogen fluoride which japan make and normal hydrogen fluoride is totally different.and can’t be substituting.
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Japan has a lot of those high technological strategies materials for the world which almost japan can make for the business.
And japan is earning by ton of money by those teacnology even now.
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Such as
・High purity Silicon wafer
· Semiconductor manufacturing equipment (super important for korea and China both)
Noble gas (for semiconductor lines)
· NC lathe
· Machining center
·CMM
·centrifuge
· Carbon composite material
· Electronic gyroscope device
· Uranium enrichment controller
· Automatic flight control device (complete software)
・High purity hydrofluoric acid
· High purity buffered hydrofluoric acid (cleaning liquid of liquid crystal display) SK relly on 90% of share of it from Japanese high tech material.
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This kind of strategy and giveing iffluence to the world is sighe of the real developed first world.
Each EU country has those strategies materials also as first world. USA as well and even Russia has for space engineering.
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But chink or korea or those fake first world (developing nation at best) can make only house hold machine like smart phone which is just buy the industrial machine and high tech materials from the first world and assemble by cheep men power and sell and earn.
It’s not real teacnology or not real innovation at all.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:09:23 [Preview] No.25777 del
>>25776
Japan has the strategic industrial materials which other country have to buy from japan and relly on.

Read this.

This is the reason Korea afraid so much
the economical sanctions from japan

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Japan-sanctions-threat-on-South-Korea-sparks-supply-chain-fears

""A Samsung chipmaking facility in Hwaseong. The South Korean group depends on Japanese suppliers. (Photo courtesy of Samsung Electronics)""
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SEOUL -- The prospect that Japan could impose economic sanctions on South Korea over a legal dispute concerning wartime labor cases has raised anxiety in Seoul and among companies on both sides that depend on cross-border supply chains.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry said Wednesday that Kim Yong-kil, director-general for Northeast Asian affairs, will meet here Thursday with his Japanese counterpart Kenji Kanasugi to discuss the issue, in which Japan-based industrial groups have been ordered to compensate forced-labor victims

The two senior diplomats may discuss a sanctions threat issued by Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso this week that set off alarm bells. And listed the sanctions.



https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190501/p2g/00m/0na/055000c

SEOUL (Kyodo) -- A team of lawyers for South Koreans awarded damages from Japanese steelmaker Nippon Steel Corp. and machinery manufacturer Nachi-Fujikoshi Corp. over wartime labor said Wednesday they have asked a court to sell the firms' assets seized in South Korea to secure the compensation.
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Each of the "220,000"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".
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Japan announced already, if korea sell the japanese assets they seized, japan will move to economical sanctions.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:24:31 [Preview] No.25779 del
>>25774
Jp yen is now one of the hardest currency of the world because of this reason.
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"Japan though the country remained the biggest creditor nation for the 27th straight year."
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Even investor is escapeing to jp yen when us doller or euro got some problems.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:32:00 [Preview] No.25780 del
Anyway most important is this.
<<Why does Korea insist that the Japanese never apologised nor compensated for their actions, even to this day,
And How much all of the money japan has compensated Korea until now?>>
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>""Because ton of monies are involving in this issue.""
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>>At 2018 again the Korean government decided to force Japan to pay $24 billion with the money coming from the 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. Korea tries to force this as compensation for WW2
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Each of the "220,000"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".
South Korea already forcefully seize the property of some of Japanese companies in Korea at 2018.(crazy but this is the reality.)
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>korean is always saying what they need is apologize from japan, then why they are keep on asking such a stupidly huge amount of the money again and again even at 2018.This is the hypocritical act of them
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""They fools the world, to get money and advantage from Japan endlessly.""
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The only reason? Money.
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>1965 in the Japan-Korea Basic Treaty , japan paid The total amount of 800 million dollars [currently converted 4,500 billion yen] to south korea.The total amount of 800 million dollars is 2.3 times the Korean national budget at the time.
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>And Japan's private assets in Korea amount to 5.3 billion dollars (1.98 trillion yen, about 15 trillion yen now converted) was given for free.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre
aty_on_Basic_Relations_between_Japa
n_and_the_Republic_of_Korea
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and 1994
The Asian Women's Fund
a total of ¥4.8 billion ($40 million) was provided by the Government of Japan.
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And 2015 ,
the Japan-korea agreements made over comfort women.
"Japan paid 1 billion yen again in 2015."
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>Also, We can see Japanese government apologists so often, and the government of Japan itself never denied the existence of Japanese war criminals of the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lis
t_of_war_apology_statements_issued_

by_Japan



>That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:49:41 [Preview] No.25781 del
>>25770
>>25766
Its industrial design and Japanese do not saying its origins is japan.
Its not to do with those act of korean culture stealing
Read again here >>25623
>>25622
>>25621

Then anyone pls answer
Try to Name even one interesting culture from Korea that is not related the statement of "this was originated in Korea not japan!"
Or not related just anti Japan statement
Or not related plastic surgery.
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Korean whole culture revolves around hating Japan and having plastic surgery.
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>>25620


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 11:53:21 [Preview] No.25782 del
>>25763
>why they don't like Koreans but most of their hatred for them seems rather irrational.

That’s why I’m keep on saying reason is this beggar attitude of korean >>25780
>>25041
>>25040
>>25039
>>25035
>>25033
>>25032


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:07:53 [Preview] No.25783 del
>>25781
>one interesting culture from Korea
turtle ships are pretty cool

>>25780
>>That’s not a very good look for South Korea, who only seem to be thinking of the money.

would you say its game overgame for korea?


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:11:32 [Preview] No.25785 del
game over


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:17:00 [Preview] No.25786 del
>>25783
>turtle ships
Oh my...

Behind the Myth: The Turtle Ship
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http://gwangjunewsgic.com/arts-culture/korean-myths/behind-the-myth-the-turtle-ship/
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Contradictory evidence is almost nonexistent. Scholars find no mention of plated ships in any Korean writing from the era. Even Admiral Yi Sun-sin, who ordered the construction of the ships, wrote nothing of the idea in his journal, possibly because he realized that putting iron decks on the ships would have been a bad idea. The ships did not need the additional armor; thick wood was enough protection, since the Japanese used few cannons at sea. Moreover, cladding the ships in iron would have slowed them down. Since turtle ships were meant to ram other vessels, their speed was very important. Finally, there was the expense: the amount of iron necessary to armor a single gobukseon equaled the amount of iron needed for an entire second gobukseon.

But even if the vessel’s architect, Na Dae-yong, did not cover his creations with metal, he still designed a ship worthy of Korean pride. The gobukseon represented a multitude of advancements in shipbuilding. Ironically, one of these advances was the use of wooden nails instead of metal ones. Metal nails rusted, weakening the ship, but the wooden nails absorbed water and expanded in their holes, which strengthened the ships’ joints. More visibly, the ships became capable of shooting cannonballs directly ahead and behind themselves, a new trick the sailors used to brutal advantage; they rammed enemy ships, then fired cannonballs at them at nearly point-blank range.

For now, however, an iron roof remains the mistaken focus of praise for the turtle ship.
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DID KOREANS REALLY INVENT THE FIRST SHIP WITH IRON ARMOR?

The question should be asked with sensitivity, because there is some national pride at risk in the answer. In particular, South Jeolla Province and its port town of Yeosu have long celebrated their status as the home of the geobukseon, or “turtle ship” – a warship supposedly protected from Japanese projectiles and boarding parties by an iron roof covered in spikes, said to be the first historical use of iron armor in naval warfare.

The turtle ship’s role in Korea’s national mythology is even more important than its role in world history. The ship gets a lot of attention in Korean retellings of the Imjin War, an invasion by Japan in 1592, which now symbolizes every war. Its creation and use suggests that Korea can compensate for its small size through ingenuity.

Nevertheless, evidence strongly supports the theory that the turtle ships designed in 1592 had only wooden roofs with iron spikes. In his book Haeng Rok, Yi Bun – nephew to the famous Admiral Yi Sun-shin – described the vessels in detail, explaining that “the turtle’s ‘back’ is a roof made with planks.” The prime minister of Korea at that time, Yu Song-nyong, also reported that the ships were “covered by wooden planks on top.”


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:23:40 [Preview] No.25787 del
>>25786
age of empires would never lie to me


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:25:50 [Preview] No.25788 del
>>25787
What do you mean


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:26:40 [Preview] No.25789 del
>>25788
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZwVL4BCdJH4 [Embed]


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:27:01 [Preview] No.25790 del
>>25787
Any way tertule ship has fucking no evidence of irs existence.

Face the reality

>>25783
>turtle ships
Oh my...

Behind the Myth: The Turtle Ship
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http://gwangjunewsgic.com/arts-culture/korean-myths/behind-the-myth-the-turtle-ship/
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Contradictory evidence is almost nonexistent. Scholars find no mention of plated ships in any Korean writing from the era. Even Admiral Yi Sun-sin, who ordered the construction of the ships, wrote nothing of the idea in his journal, possibly because he realized that putting iron decks on the ships would have been a bad idea. The ships did not need the additional armor; thick wood was enough protection, since the Japanese used few cannons at sea. Moreover, cladding the ships in iron would have slowed them down. Since turtle ships were meant to ram other vessels, their speed was very important. Finally, there was the expense: the amount of iron necessary to armor a single gobukseon equaled the amount of iron needed for an entire second gobukseon.

But even if the vessel’s architect, Na Dae-yong, did not cover his creations with metal, he still designed a ship worthy of Korean pride. The gobukseon represented a multitude of advancements in shipbuilding. Ironically, one of these advances was the use of wooden nails instead of metal ones. Metal nails rusted, weakening the ship, but the wooden nails absorbed water and expanded in their holes, which strengthened the ships’ joints. More visibly, the ships became capable of shooting cannonballs directly ahead and behind themselves, a new trick the sailors used to brutal advantage; they rammed enemy ships, then fired cannonballs at them at nearly point-blank range.

For now, however, an iron roof remains the mistaken focus of praise for the turtle ship.
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DID KOREANS REALLY INVENT THE FIRST SHIP WITH IRON ARMOR?

The question should be asked with sensitivity, because there is some national pride at risk in the answer. In particular, South Jeolla Province and its port town of Yeosu have long celebrated their status as the home of the geobukseon, or “turtle ship” – a warship supposedly protected from Japanese projectiles and boarding parties by an iron roof covered in spikes, said to be the first historical use of iron armor in naval warfare.

The turtle ship’s role in Korea’s national mythology is even more important than its role in world history. The ship gets a lot of attention in Korean retellings of the Imjin War, an invasion by Japan in 1592, which now symbolizes every war. Its creation and use suggests that Korea can compensate for its small size through ingenuity.

Nevertheless, evidence strongly supports the theory that the turtle ships designed in 1592 had only wooden roofs with iron spikes. In his book Haeng Rok, Yi Bun – nephew to the famous Admiral Yi Sun-shin – described the vessels in detail, explaining that “the turtle’s ‘back’ is a roof made with planks.” The prime minister of Korea at that time, Yu Song-nyong, also reported that the ships were “covered by wooden planks on top.”


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:31:27 [Preview] No.25792 del
>>25790
>Face the reality

game over korea am I right


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:34:19 [Preview] No.25793 del
>>25792
You are fucking loser dog of the arguments


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:47:48 [Preview] No.25794 del
>>25793
oh come on now lighten up. we are all bernds here, no one means any harm.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 12:50:10 [Preview] No.25795 del
>>25743
No. The reason why we japanese hate korean is beggar attitude like here,>>25041
>>25040
>>25039
>>25035
>>25033
>>25032
>>25031

Also korean act like this way of the pic.
all the time when we talk anything about they do like this attitude


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 13:19:44 [Preview] No.25797 del
for the people will talk about Japanese debt.
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>H...how are japan ever going to pay that high debt?
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Far More than half of it is a debt to bank of Japan, owned by th government. Its a bizarre scam.
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all this debt is basically at the expense of the japanese themselves.
They don't have an actual creditor that will force them to pay anything.
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Japanese will give all their money and their lifes for their Nation
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Not like Greece or so who get all the money from Germany and bankrupt like totall chad.
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Japan case in fact is totally opposite.
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though the country remained the biggest creditor nation for the 27th straight year.
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It was announced on Friday that the balance of Japan's net external assets at the end of 2016 grew 2.9% from a year ago to 349 trillion yen ($3.13 trillion) -- the first increase in two years.
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The Finance Ministry attributed the increased figure, which reflects assets held overseas by Japanese businesses, government entities and individuals minus such debts, to Japanese investors' accelerated business acquisition activity overseas and increased purchases of foreign bonds.
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The latest figure, announced by Finance Minister Taro Aso at a Cabinet meeting, is second only to the 363 trillion yen for the end of 2014. It makes Japan the world's biggest creditor nation for the 26th consecutive year.
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At the end of 2016, the balance of external assets totaled 997 trillion yen, up 5.0% from a year ago, reflecting more active overseas expansion by Japanese companies.
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The stronger yen, however, has meant foreign currency-denominated assets decreased when measured in yen value. The yen at the end of 2016 had risen 2.3% against the dollar and 5.9% against the euro, compared to a year earlier.
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The balance of external debts grew 6.2% to 648 trillion yen, driven by foreign direct investment into Japan and Japanese bonds purchases by foreign investors.
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Jp yen is now one of the hardest currency of the world because of this reason.
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"Japan though the country remained the biggest creditor nation for the 27th straight year."
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Even investor is escapeing to jp yen when US doller or euro got some problems.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 13:20:49 [Preview] No.25798 del
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>>25795
honk honk


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 13:50:57 [Preview] No.25800 del
>>25799
https://youtube.com/watch?v=35sE0gp72SU [Embed]


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 13:55:30 [Preview] No.25801 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 [Embed]

this is pretty famous


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 15:35:58 [Preview] No.25811 del
>>25801
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FrG4TEcSuRg [Embed]

I'm surprised this one didn't catch on. The video is pretty good.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 15:42:41 [Preview] No.25812 del
>>25811
>>25801
>>25800
The Dark Side Of The K-Pop Industry And Idol Groups

https://m.ranker.com/list/dark-fact
s-about-the-kpop-industry/crystal-b
rackett?page=2

It's difficult for K-pop singers to break their contracts. In some cases, it's nearly impossible because of the substantial penalties and fines. If a music agency doesn't want to cut ties with an idol yet, they're reportedly not above blackmailing the person to compel them to stay. Managers were even known to film their idols' sexual activities and use the footage against them.
K-pop idol Baek Ji-young's manager filmed her having sex and brought out the footage when she wanted to change contracts. She thought he was bluffing until he put the video on the internet. She tried to sue him, but he fled to the United States, where authorities apprehended him for statutory rape. She claimed her career was nearly ruined by the incident and took years off before returning to the music scene.
Fortunately, in 2017 a movement emerged to end the "slave contracts," giving stars more autonomy over their health and well-being.



This situation of kpop idol is very similar of ww2 comfort woman.
Comfort womans had big debt from local korean argency of the prostituters(in the report of USA, it describes as "house master") who did his business to japanese army.
And comfort woman had payments from them and returned the debt for the prostitution job as like kpop idol of nowadays.
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Salary details of comfort woman was recorded even by the survey of USA, Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49 (1944)
These are also official documents of USA national archives.
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https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Ja
panese_Prisoner_of_War_Interrogatio
n_Report_49

The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. """This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred yen. """ .
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Also here is the evidence of the comfort woman had really high payments.
A former Korean comfort women participated in a trail in 1992 that they wanted us to refund the money she collected at that time to the Japanese post office.
26,145 yen (now converted about 40 million yen) which we deposited 12 times from June 1943 to September 1945.


<<At the time, salary details of about 40,000 were submitted to the Japanese court in 1993 by a wartime comfort woman herself.>>


40,000 is equivalent to 20 million yen nowadays. That’s staggering.

Monthly income comparison (1943)
· Prime Minister 800 yen Tojo Hideki
· General Army 550 yen
· Sergeant Chair 32 ~ 75 yen
· Sergeant Armament 23 ~ 32 yen
· Corporal, 20 Yen
· Heavyweight commander 13,5 yen
· Secondary soldier 10,5 yen
· First class soldier 9 yen
· Second Nurse Secondary 9 ~ 6 yen
The comfort women at the time repaid the parent's debt after being prepaid 300-1500 yen. You can see how much that’s worth by comparing it to the list above


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 15:44:07 [Preview] No.25813 del
>>25812
One controversy which is surprisingly minor is that around Korean hypocrisy. Koreans were very active in recruiting women in Korea & China, Korean soldiers, camp guards & workers (many were conscripted to work for the IJN & IJA) had access to them & took advantage of it, & South Korea maintained the system after WW2. Many thousands of Korean women were coerced or forced into brothels for troops, both Korean & UN, during the Korean War & afterwards - including under the rule of the current president's father. Raising this in S. Korea triggers a very hostile reaction.
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Salary details of comfort woman was recorded even by the survey of USA, Japanese Prisoner of War Interrogation Report No. 49 (1944)
These are also official documents of USA national archives.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Japanese_Prisoner_of_War_Interrogation_Report_49

The "house master" received fifty to sixty per cent of the girls' gross earnings depending on how much of a debt each girl had incurred when she signed her contract. """This meant that in an average month a girl would gross about fifteen hundred yen. """ .


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 16:11:16 [Preview] No.25814 del
>>25800
>>25801
>>25811
You guys are building a solid case against Korea, I have to say.

>>25799
Ok. It will take me a while to read and digest tho.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 18:38:11 [Preview] No.25818 del
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>>25812
>This situation of kpop idol is very similar of ww2 comfort woman.
That is hilarious. I'll be sure to say this the next time I need to anger a Korean.
Now I don't mean to draw an equivalence between Korean pop and Japanese idols (especially since later was actually good) but I am aware that modern Japanese idols also have to face a harsh reality. Anyway, I'm still interested in learning about why Korean culture is inferior.
>Try to Name even one interesting culture from Korea that is not related the statement of "this was originated in Korea not japan!"
I don't think it's fair to ask this question when we clearly have no idea about the specifics of Korean culture or history. Should I ask some Koreans about it? I wonder what they smell like.
>>25768
>>25769
>>25771
>>25774
>>25775
>>25776
>>25777
>>25780
>>25786
>>25795
>>25797
Cheers Bernd. That's all very interesting.


Bernd 05/10/2019 (Fri) 23:50:04 [Preview] No.25829 del
>>25818
maybe a wild shot but japan bernd might be a bit biased


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 02:43:39 [Preview] No.25831 del
>>25829
You keep on complain but you can’t reply logical counter argue at all. You just keep moncked and being loser of the argument. You are loser dog indeed


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 02:44:55 [Preview] No.25832 del
>>25818
I need a lot of explains about it but for the basic knowledge pls read about korean history of the modern and midd century.
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History of Korea.
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Why does korean has huge inferiority complexity toward japan?
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preface
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Korea has pretty much always been a Chinese region, no different than Guandong or Manchuria or Okinawa /Ryukyu , and now keep running into some Korean wewuzdakangz stories all over the internet.
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culture of korea until 20 century was complitely chinese Confucianism. And korean have to give a lot of money to china every year. and it had festivals that korean king entertains Chinese embassy as more higher positions than Korean king. (it had also in Okinawa.)
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Koreans really need to realize that in they are an insignificant little country that hasn't ended up being just another part of China (yet) by pure chance.
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>History of korean
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>We can compere korea and Okinawa and we can know the situation very well.
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Japan and China had war at 20 century and Korea was finally independed from the tributary puppet states of China.
But became puppet state of japan instead.
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At 17century, One other country was being the same process of it. It’s okinawa.
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Okinawa / Ryukyu was exactly the same situation of korea as the tributary puppet states of China.
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At 17century, samurai clan of the Kyushu invaded Okinawa and got political power of Okinawa. and china could not do anything for it and Okinawa was ruled by japan from that age. (Anyway Okinawan has one of the purest Jomon DNA from the first.)
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About korea, they were complitely being tributary puppet states of China until 20century.
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culture of at that age of korea was complitely chinese Confucianism. And korean have to give a lot of money to china every year. and it had festivals that korean king entertains Chinese embassy as more higher positions than Korean king. (it had also in Okinawa.)
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Japan and China had war at 20 century and japan won. Korea was became puppet states of japan as like Okinawa at 17century.
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Korean at that time was developed rapidly by the Japanese style modernism and disciplines of the imperial Japan.
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Japan lost the ww2 and anti japan group of korean ruled Korea and its continued even now (Kim of NK was one of example.)
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got Korean War and separates noth and south. And modern korea was finally formed.
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In short, Oh Shit..
>Korea existed because the Japanese took over some land from China.
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What is the difference of the situation of Japan and Korea , Okinawa.
Japan kicked out the embassy of ancient China and call themselves as "nation of the rising sun Nihon with own emperor of the rising sun Tennou Heika with the own army samurai shogunate" and stop tributes to China at 7 century.
Korea and Okinawa was failed to be like japan and keep on tributes with China until 20century.
(Okinawa was under the japan at 17 century) .
his is the difference.
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Koreans really need to realize that in they are an insignificant little country that hasn't ended up being just another part of China (yet) by pure chance.
Like what the fuck. Korea has pretty much always been a Chinese region, no different than Guandong or Manchuria or Okinawa Ryukyu , and now keep running into some Korean wewuzdakangz stories all over the internet.
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Korea existed because the Japanese took over some land from China.


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 05:09:16 [Preview] No.25834 del
>>25831
can you think of anything positive at all about korea?


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:07:57 [Preview] No.25837 del
>>25818
This is basic knowledge about korean history of middle age to the modern age.
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Now more essential knowledge from the ancient history of japan and korean based on the primary evidence and record of each other.
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Is it true that a lot of korean is saying ancient Japanese was colony of the ancient korean and ancient Japanese were Slave of ancient korean also emperor of japan is korean origins.
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To do discuss about it,First of all, anyway read about it.
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"Samguk Sagi" the korean official oldest histrical primary record is saying one of the king of silla korea is Japanese.
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wiki page here.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal
hae_of_Silla
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Korean is Useing the samguk sagi as primary records of own korean national history officially by the gorvenment.
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And silla is very important identity of korean people because that ancient country is the first time United whole korea as one country.
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and it’s directly mentioned in the ancient primary record of korean themselfs that one of the king of the silla was japaneee.
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It means one of the first king of the korea who United ancient three kingdom of them was Japanese Ainu Jomon and it was mentioned own Korean official ancient history record.
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Not Japanese is saying that one of the king of silla korea was Japanese but korean official oldest record itself is saying about this matter.
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Again
wiki page here.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal
hae_of_Silla
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Talhae of Silla (?–80, r. 57–80) was the fourth king of Silla, one of the Three Kingdoms of Korea. He is commonly called Talhae Isageum, isageum being the royal title in early Silla. Also known by his personal name as Seok Tal-hae(昔脫解).
Talhae of Silla
Hangul
탈해 이사금, 토해 이사금
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He was a member of the Gyeongju Seok clan, one of the noble clans that shared the Silla throne during the early Common Era.
<<He was born in a small kingdom 1000 li1northeast of Wa (Japan).>>
According to the Samguk Sagi,
He has Japanese origin. Tal-hae also came over by ship. The location of his birth place Dapana Country is estimated as somewhere in Japan peninsula. It is precisely estimated some part in Kyushu.
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1li is roughly equivalent to 400–500 meters.
2Tanba no kuni was located 460 km northeast of Wakoku Japan (hanja: 倭国)
On the other hand, there is a view that Ryongseong-guk (Hangul: 룡성국; Hanja: 龍城國) listed in Samguk yusa has been regarded as a nation of Ainu, and Tal-hae has been regarded as a citizen of Ainu.[5]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal
hae_of_Silla


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:09:25 [Preview] No.25838 del
>>25837
Is it true Japanese emperor is korean origins?
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About this issue korean is keep on useing the words of Emperor Akihito of japan.
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"I, on my part, feel a certain kinship with Korea, given the fact that it is recorded in the Chronicles of Japan that the mother of Emperor Kammu was of the line of [Korean] King Muryong of Baekje,"
-Emperor Akihito on his 68th birthday
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The words of the emperor Akihito is based on the words from "nihon shoki " one of the the Japanese oldest histrical book.
This part.
"10th generation descendant of King Muryeong of Baekje. She was chosen as a wife for Japanese Emperor Kōnin and subsequently became the mother of Emperor Kanmu"
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"So it’s clear emperor Akihito is speaking based on nihon shoki."
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we have the Japanese oldest historical record book
"nihon Shoki", "kojiki"
Also
Korean oldest histrical record book
"Samguk sagi".
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>These oldest histrical record of japan and Korea has high level of the "correlativity".
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Because some part of those record is saying the same matter in context. so it’s helping each other as the sources of each other.
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So if someone is useing the words from one book from the three, they have to accept the other part of the words of the other book too, in logical mind for the historian attitude.
Or else it’s Double standard,
Like a useing the part what they like and ignoreing other part what they don’t like.
It’s not real histrians attitude.
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Let’s see what other part of thode Samguk sagi ,Kojiki and nihon shoki is saying.


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:09:54 [Preview] No.25839 del
>>25838
This is ancient history of japan and korean relationshipsand history based on the Samguk sagi from korea And Kojiki ,Nihon Shoki from japan.
These are primary ancient records of both korea and Japan.
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Baekjeand Silla sent their princes to the Wa Japan court as an hostage in exchange for military support to continue their already-begun military campaigns around 400.
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Uija, the last king of Baekje (reigned 641-660), formed an alliance with Japan and made Prince Buyeo Pung and King Zenko stay there as their hostages.
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In 660, Baekje fell when it was attacked by Silla, who was in alliance with Tang China.
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Former generals of Baekje, including Gwisil Boksin, asked Japan to return Prince Buyeo Pung and asked military aid from japan.
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In 663, Japan, supporting Baekje, was defeated by the allied forces of Silla and Tang China in the Korean Peninsula (the Battle of Baekgang),
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and the restoration of Baekje ended up in failure.
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While at the same time hostility between Japan and Silla escalated.
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Japanese Empress Jitōhonored King Zenko by giving him the hereditary title of Kudara no Konikishi and allowed him to pass on his royal lineage to future generations.
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Takano no Niigasa came from a background of the naturalized clansmen Yamato-no-Fumito and was a 10th-generation descendant of King Muryeong of Baekje.
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She was chosen as a wife for Japanese Emperor Kōnin and subsequently became the mother of Emperor Kanmu.
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the Korean value slumped and ended when Chinese culture was introduced directly via Japanese missions to Tang China. Emperor Kanmu severed diplomatic relations with Silla in 799.
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Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:10:22 [Preview] No.25840 del
>>25839
for that reason above,
A lot of western historians study that domination, culture and the influence from Japan to the South Korean Peninsula was also strong."
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China and Japan are the ones where the oldest earthenware in East Asia,
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Unconditionally, The answer to say just simply that cultures were transferred from the Korean Peninsula to Japan is premature.
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Because ,Ancient Japanese was useing Korea as an straw or tonnels of Chinese culture by controlling them by getting the hostage from the korean royal family . "Just because the location of korea and China".
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In Kojiki,nihon shoki and Samguk sagi is saying
Ancient japan send army to ancient korea
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and japan got the hostage from Korean royal family and controll the south part of korea.
(kaya and gaya. I’ll explain other chapter.)
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If ancient korean against the will of ancient japan then ancient Japanese could kill hostages of korean prince,
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also Japan sent the military aid when korean got the war between them.
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the Korean value slumped and ended when Chinese culture was introduced directly via Japanese missions to Tang China. Emperor Kanmu severed diplomatic relations with Silla in 799.
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And Read here
"10th generation descendant of King Muryeong of Baekje. She was chosen as a wife for Japanese Emperor Kōnin and subsequently became the mother of Emperor Kanmu"
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Japanese emperor basically "choiced" korean princess as an wife, from the higher position than korean princess as his wife.
(Just if only thinks logically.)
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And this is what our Emperor Akihito mentions that " we had korean princess at past Family line".
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But korean misinterpreted that emperor saied Japanese emperor is direct descended of modern Korea or so. Its nothing but a misunderstand or miss interpretation intentionally for the nationalism of korea.
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So now if korean is useing the words from Nihon Shoki, By The useing the words from emperor Akihito that
"10th generation descendant of King Muryeong of Baekje. She was chosen as a wife for Japanese Emperor Kōnin and subsequently became the mother of Emperor Kanmu"
it have to accept the words From oher part of the Kojiki ,nihon shoki and Samguk Sagi as well
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Especially "SAMGUK SAGI."
ITS KOREAN OLDESAT HISTRICAL RECORD. As official primary oldest historical record f korea themselfs.
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And it’s korean oldest record is saying directly that one of the ancient korean king was Japanese.


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:10:53 [Preview] No.25841 del
>>25840
About Kaya /Gaya ancient southern korean kingdom was ruled by Japanese.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay
a_language
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Firstly, kofuns architecture in korea(at Kaya and gaya)are definitely a proof of japanese influence on south korea.
Ancient japanese was liveing in Gaya and makeing Japanese style kofun tombs.
Kofun is special tombs of the king or elite person of ancient Japanese.
Only Japanese was makeing those style of specific Kofun architecture in the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kof
un
Also a lot of Japanese specific magatama was founded in gaya.
MAGATAMA is Japanese specific Jewelry. Oldest one is from the Jomon era at first. So it’s clearly Japanese related things.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mag
atama
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The place names in question appear to be in a language related to Korean and Japanese. Beckwith classifies the Japonic family with toponymic pre-Kara as follows
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* Japonic
* Yayoi
* Japanese
* Pre-Kara †
* Ryukyuan
In volume 34 of the Samguk Sagi, a note for the word 旃檀梁 states that, "In the Kaya language, 'gate' is called 梁." The Chinese character ⟨梁⟩ was used to write the Silla word for 'ridge', which was ancestral to Middle Korean 돌 *twol 'ridge', suggesting that the Gaya word for 'gate' may have been pronounced something like twol. This looks similar to Old Japanese *two/tö (門/戸) (modern Japanese to, 戸), meaning 'door, gate'.
It means name Gaya was door gate to the continent from the stand point of ancient Japanese.
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Even western study,
Henthorn, William E. A history of Korea. Free Press. p. 37.
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Silla concluded a peace with the Wa. Prince Misahun was then sent to Japan as a hostage. This may have been an act of revenge by the Silla monarch, who, as Prince Silsong, had been sent as hostage to Koguryo by Prince Misahun's father. Despite the peace, Silla-Wa relations were never friendly, due no doubt in part to the Wa-Kaya alliance.


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:11:19 [Preview] No.25842 del
>>25841
Even western scholars says,
1. Brown, Delmer M. The Cambridge History of Japan: Ancient Japan. Cambridge University Press. p. 141.
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Faced with this comeback by Koguryo, Paekche leaders turned to Yamato for military support, even sending its crown prince to Yamato as a hostage in 397 - just as Silla had dispatched princely hostage to Koguryo in 392 when that kingdom was in dire need of military support.
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1. Pratt, Keith. Everlasting Flower: A History of Korea. Reaktion Books. p. 42.
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We can only guess, for example, what it felt like for the girls periodically sent as brides to foreign courts, for the crown prince of Paekche when he was dispatched to the Yamato court as a hostage in AD 397, or for a Silla prince who experienced the same fate in 402.
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2. The New Encyclopædia Britannica. Encyclopædia Britannica. p. 279
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Paekche was frequently attacked by Koguryo during the century, prompting continued requests for assistance from Yamato; it is recorded that Paekche even sent a crown prince to Yamato as a hostage on one occasion and the mother of the king on another. Yet, probably because of internal dissension, Yamato did not dispatch any troops to the peninsula. Yamato's interest in Korea was apparently a desire for access to improved continental technology and resources, especially iron.
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3. ^ Henthorn, William E.
A history of Korea. Free Press. p. 37. In 402,
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Silla concluded a peace with the Wa. Prince Misahun was then sent to Japan as a hostage. This may have been an act of revenge by the Silla monarch, who, as Prince Silsong, had been sent as hostage to Koguryo by Prince Misahun's father. Despite the peace, Silla-Wa relations were never friendly, due no doubt in part to the Wa-Kaya alliance.


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:11:48 [Preview] No.25843 del
>>25841
Look how histrians of American ,aoustralian and Chinese themselfs is saying about ancient east Asia.
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The textbook produced by Oxford University Press, publishing textbooks in about 50 countries around the world, states that "Japan's power in the 5th century dominated the south of the Korean Peninsula."
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The American textbook "World Culture" published by Prentice Hall "is" around the year CE, (until Japan), until a group of several clans unified to unify the majority of Japan and govern the southern region of Korea "The textbooks in Canada and Australia also have similar descriptions [28].
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In the online encyclopedia of Columbia University and the Library of Congress, "Old Korea was a country built by Chinese and Minoko in the northern part of the Korean Peninsula in the 12th century BC. At that time, the southern part of the Korean Peninsula was dominated by the Japanese Yamato administration It was written "It was under the controll of Wa japan [29].
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In the People's Republic of China, the textbook "World History Lecture" published by Shanghai People's Publishing Company states that "Shilla has recovered the Nenna district that was the basis of the Japanese for a long time in the southern peninsula from the early days" There [30].
In the Japanese history column of the website of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China, "Although the beginning of the 5th century, the power expanded to the southern part of the Korean Peninsula during the period when Yamato became prosperous", it was protested from the Korean government , Deleted all parts of Japanese history before the Second World War from the Japan Introduction column [31].


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:13:42 [Preview] No.25844 del
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south korea makes great cars


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:15:20 [Preview] No.25845 del
>>25818
This is history about middle age to the modern age of korea>>25832


And this is ancient history of korean
>>25837
>>25838
>>25839
>>25840
>>25841
>>25842
>>25843


Thank you


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:24:57 [Preview] No.25846 del
>>25844
South Korean auto industry slides further in global ranking

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/South-Korean-auto-industry-slides-further-in-global-ranking

SEOUL -- Auto production in South Korea fell for a third straight year, putting further pressure on component suppliers as car giant Hyundai Motor moves assembly operations abroad.

Production dipped by 2% to 4.03 million vehicles last year, down from a peak of 4.66 million in 2011, according to the Korean Automobile Manufacturers Association.

South Korea long ranked as one of the world's largest auto producers, behind the U.S., Japan and Germany. But after it ceded that place to China, India moved ahead in 2017 and Mexico threatens to overtake it in 2018, according to the Maeil Business Newspaper.


Hyundai Motor, which controls 70% of the domestic market along with subsidiary Kia Motors, has already moved production to Mexico and India. General Motors recently closed a plant in the south western city of Gunsan.

The difficulties facing Hyundai and its suppliers are compounded by fallout from the U.S.-China trade war and the costs of preparing for next generation technology such as automated driving and sharing, connected vehicles and electrification.

This has prompted calls for change in the South Korean auto sector as mega-suppliers around the world are forming alliances. One idea circulating is for Samsung Electronics and SK Hynix partner with Hyundai to produce automotive components other than semiconductors and batteries.

In 2018, Hyundai's consolidated operating profit dropped for the sixth successive year, plunging 47% to 2.42 trillion won ($2.16 billion) because of a slump in U.S. exports. Sales rose 1% to 97 trillion won. Quarterly operating profit for October-December came in under 1 trillion won for the fifth straight time.

"Promotion costs and safety expenses have run up," a Hyundai executive said.

Hyundai exports about 60% of its domestically produced cars to North America, Europe and the Middle East. Profitability at South Korean factories and parts subsidiaries seems to have deteriorated amid struggling sales in those regions. The earnings decline ripples beyond the country's auto industry, as autos comprise about 10% of South Korea's exports.

A tier one supplier of steering devices filed for rehabilitation in late December with a court in the southeastern city of Ulsan, where its headquarters and a major Hyundai factory are located.

Two other tier one Hyundai suppliers applied for rehabilitation in November -- a maker of interior components and a producer of drive parts. Both hoped to restructure under a bank, but they could not reach deals with their creditors.

Leehan, a supplier of air intake components, also aims to restructure under bank management.

With the exception of Kumho Tire, which was acquired by a Chinese company last year, this is the first time that Hyundai suppliers have failed since automobile demand collapsed after the 2008 financial crisis, according to South Korean media.

"This string of bankruptcy protection filings reflects a crisis in South Korea's auto industry," according to the Maeil Business Newspaper.

South Korea has an estimated 850 tier one suppliers and 8,000 tier two and tier three suppliers with which carmakers do business. The Korea Institute for Industrial Economics and Trade calculates that 80% of sales at the country's tier one suppliers come from Hyundai.

In addition, Hyundai used its dominant position to demand that these suppliers cut costs. By contrast, Japanese automakers cooperate with suppliers and share the benefits if technological development or cost cuts are successful.

In South Korea, suppliers do not receive a portion of those proceeds, and they face restrictions in doing business with foreign automakers. Toyota Motor encourages suppliers to work with other automakers.


Bernd 05/11/2019 (Sat) 07:28:01 [Preview] No.25847 del
>>25844
For Hyundai and Kia, risk goes beyond fire
Hard-won quality reputations at stake.

brewing crisis surrounding hundreds of reports of noncollision fires in their vehicles could put the rewards of those accolades at risk and rekindle memories of their early years in the U.S. when the brands struggled with quality.

The South Korean stablemates are facing pressure from the Center for Auto Safety, which renewed calls this month for them to recall almost 3 million crossovers and sedans for potential fires that could erupt while people are driving.

The group is asking for recalls of all 2011-14 Kia Sorento, Kia Optima, Hyundai Sonata and Hyundai Santa Fe models, as well as all 2010-15 Kia Souls.

https://www.autonews.com/article/20181021/OEM11/181029948/for-hyundai-and-kia-risk-goes-beyond-fire


Bernd 05/12/2019 (Sun) 16:24:27 [Preview] No.25890 del
>>25743
That's an interesting tidbit. What a show would be to read a flame war of theirs. On KC main Romania vs Hungary threads got great many replies from all kinds of participants. But after a while ofc they were tiring and boring.

>>25749
This culture thing is stupid. I mean criticizing them for that. Unique culture is the product of some kind of isolation, but now when the whole world is basically at your doorstep due to global communications network and the relative ease of travel and foreign the media industry drumming on your heda day by day, there's no way to escape influence. Also they see what's sell and since now culture is a product instead of experimenting with their own stuff to sell they just make something that's already in demand (something that demand is already created for).


Bernd 05/12/2019 (Sun) 17:48:53 [Preview] No.25892 del
>>25890
Hi sorry I may be didn’t reply exactly based on your post but anyway those my post is random knowledge related arround the topic in this thread.
You can also reply anything how you get or feel too.


Bernd 05/12/2019 (Sun) 18:01:06 [Preview] No.25893 del
>>25892
Not yet read your posts since our board got lot of content to reply to, this thread got lots of posts as well. I won't forget yours, and in time - I hope soon, but probably tomorrow - will give a comment.


Bernd 05/12/2019 (Sun) 18:55:33 [Preview] No.25894 del
>>25769
Hmmm. This made me remember a Korean dude from KC main who complained about his life. I think his family owned some small business. He was conflicted tho and couldn't handle the pressure or something like that.
On the other hand I understand Japanese people's stress level also in the skies. The rat race of everyday life puts pressure on the urbanite population.

>>25775
This FANUC thing is not unkown for me. I've some pals working as CNC operators and I helped one writing a CV, there was something about this, had to learn to use it or something.
Well yeah, on the field of consumer goods China is the king since they can produce all kinds of crap in large volume but the quality has something to bitch about. I can't even imagine what kind of industrial machinery they would produce. When precision is the topic usually Germany or Japan would come to mind.

I will go on and read the rest at another time. Probably will have something to refer to individually and also as a whole.


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 06:40:19 [Preview] No.25902 del
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>>25775
>japanese robotic superpower meme

But when Fukushima happened, Japan requested foreign robots like US PackBot and some Russian thing, because domestic robots only can wave hands on camera for twitter and unable to do any real work.


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 10:11:54 [Preview] No.25909 del
>>25902
he will soon call you loser dog because you dared to question the superiority of japan


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 14:58:51 [Preview] No.25920 del
>>25909
>>25902
I’m answer about this.
Japanese robot is industrial machine and it’s almodt 70% of robot market of the whole world.
It’s clearly superpower in Japanese robot But it’s only industrial machine.
Japanese robot I not for military use, even until now japanese technology is not apply for the military.
And those robot what you talking about is robot fit the military use and japan is not good at about it.
Japan is concentrating for the industry and business but not teacnology for the military.
This is also limit by the ideology of after ww2.
Let japan to make weapon! Then a lot of Japanese teacnology will be apply on them.

>>25909 I’m saying you are loser because you can’t do any constructive real logical counter argue at all


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 15:01:28 [Preview] No.25921 del
>>25902
And also how to deny this fact
>many manufacturer in this world ultilize FANUC robot hand which is a Japanese company.
Without robot hand of Japanese many other industry of this world can’t do even business properly.


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 17:27:51 [Preview] No.25926 del
i just read some 12 century japanese monks and they said japan is shitty (both people and the country)


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 19:06:12 [Preview] No.25928 del
>>25781
>culture
Well having some kind of local variation of Chinese culture isn't bad in itself. As I said before, they are a young nation.
The culture of European countries are also pretty similar due to Christianity, Christian Universalism (and in Eastern Europe due to communism). There are local little variations but everything fairly the same everywhere.

>>25788
He's kidding.

>>25799
All right, I finished with those. About Korean history and the Tenno's marriage practices is still left unread.
So yeah, what you present to us it shows the difference between Japan's and Korea's economies, and the dependency of Korea on Japan in this question. This also doesn't make them "bad" or laughable, for me it's sure. Our economy is fucked and here in Eastern Europe we can generally envy Korea's economic growth she produced since the 70's as Swedish Bernd pointed out. Maybe now it's in decline but trends go up and down.
So, I get it, there's an enmity between the two countries but it's not really ours to stand beside any of them. What's reasonable we (I) can agree on ofc.
Here I have to ask, what's your purpose with these? What do you expect from us?

It's not easy to debate you since we know little of that side of the world. As for me I read some Japanese history, know some about Japanese culture, certainly more then most of my compatriots, but Korea is almost a dark spot on my... erudition. So it would need some research on my part for present real counterarguments.


Bernd 05/13/2019 (Mon) 20:46:50 [Preview] No.25931 del
>>25920
>And those robot what you talking about is robot fit the military use and japan is not good at about it.
>Japan is concentrating for the industry and business but not teacnology for the military.

Of course PackBot and related robots are military-oriented, but in the end it was used for purely civilian purpose - working in areas with high radiation. It isn't very military usage at all, because these robots weren't built for big scale wars actually, only real militarized feature is all-terrain movement.

But all-terrain robots for specific complex environments have pretty large civilian market even without military funding. For example, construction or (as we all seen) nuclear station maintenance.

So, looks like Japan had flaws even in some very civilian areas of robotic market. Of course no one in sane mind would deny that Japan has pretty serious robotic industry in other areas, like factory robots or such.

>This is also limit by the ideology of after ww2.
>Let japan to make weapon!

Hmm, actually, Japanese army (euphemistically called "self-defence force") is one of the strongest in region. Navy forces are on par with Chinese and maybe even stronger, and it is stronger than surface part of Russian Pacific fleet. It also has pretty modern tech, including two almost real carriers (with F-35 they'll be real).

Considering air force, Japan is also pretty strong and modern. USA was ally of Japan for half of century, so it was allowed to have serious forces (especially anti-submarine) against USSR even when officially Japanese law forbids militarization.


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 05:35:59 [Preview] No.25936 del
>>25926
can you stop midd century of japan is shit meme??
12centry japan is Heian period to the Kamakura period.
Both two era is one of the most beautiful and underrated century of east Asia.

Heian era and Heian culture is super beautiful more than your imagination.
Also culture, world longest novel "story of the Genji" is published that era.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tale_of_Genji

Kamakura era is started of the samurai shogunate and born of the samurai culture.

You don’t know anything

Look at this pictures of Heian era


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 05:46:07 [Preview] No.25938 del
>>25936
Hey he just mentioned that how some monks saw it back in the day. They were probably from mainland China. But then their view might come from similar bias to your view on Korea comes from. No?


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 05:50:27 [Preview] No.25940 del
>>25936
Daily reminder that the ruling class came from Korea and the underclass was Austronesian
Japs are mutts.


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 05:55:05 [Preview] No.25941 del
>>25938
Ok let’s set up one by one.
My purpose is actually already shown at first post of this thread.
Like the meme "japan never compensate and apologize to the korea and China".

This is just biggest victim business of them.>>25780
By useing the ideology of after ww2.

Look at internet. There is so many "bushing japan "memes.
Because a lot of chinese money is investing to do anti Japanese imfometion to the world.
Thid is biggest one >>25780

But even that turtle ship was no evidence >>25786

Like all of Japanese culture is just steal from korean or chine
Or Japanese emperor is just korean origins
Or Japanese teacnology ,economy and industry will be lose by korean (lol)
Or
those a lot of fake news are in whole world.

I’m correcting them for the sake of counter the "discount japan activity "made by China money

Everyone try to do logical counter argue and against my note with logic and evidence
Until now no one could do it


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 06:24:20 [Preview] No.25944 del
>>25940
Didnt most of the technology came from china (religion, writing etc) and japan just copied it


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 06:33:23 [Preview] No.25945 del
>>25944
This saying of biggest problem is that hypocritical attitude of West.
In that logic Western sience and teacnology is came from Islam sience which came from Ancient Rome which came from Ancient Greece and ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia which is Iraq of now.

What your languages is useing? Latin alphabet.
In your logic do not STEAL listen alphabet you snow nigger.

What Scandinavia exactly invented then?

Beside of this hypocritical act of West

Example of Japanese culture and achievements .

Ukiyoe (influences a lot of impressionist artist in 19cetury West as a japonisim like Van Gogh and so on ).

Makie (Japanese golden powder art work. Popular arround 18 to 19 century of the France in royal art collections.)

Samurai related culture and it’s character image ( if you think it’s copy from China or korea. Name one which is exactly the same things. It’s culture developed in japan by Japanese)

Ninja character image (influenced a lot of Hollywood action movie and common image as character.)

Kyouto culture like geisha.( developed by Japanese).

Zen philosophiy and zen art (developed by Japanese)

Sushi(one of the most expensive food yet very popular all over the world and it has big international market and make a lot of money by arround sushi culture)

A lot of industry and sience achievement.(Daily reminder that many manufacturer in this world ultilize FANUC robot hand which is a Japanese company.
Without robot hand of Japanese, many industry in the world can’t do even its business properly anymore.


IPS cell was founded by Japanese
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ind
uced_pluripotent_stem_cell

Who firstly made vitamins from the food was Japanese
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ume
taro_Suzuki
)and so on more and more

Korea has ZERO Nobel Prize Bytheway.(except one "shitty peace prize"but it’s useless unless Nobel prize about sience or teacnology.


And anime
The movie Matrix is effected by anime camera work and effect like DBZ or Kurosawa samurai movie.
Star Wars is based on Japanese samurai culture and kurosawa samurai movie .
And matrix is one of the movie established nowadays style of the USA movie.
A lot of American celebrities or creator is openly saying they like or effected by Japanese modern and traditional art culture.


Kpop is imitation of USA pop add kawaiisim of japan mixer together.
How people could copy kpop since kpop is just the entire mass copy of the USA pop and Kawaiisim


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 06:43:15 [Preview] No.25947 del
>>25944
In that your logic listen
What your languages is useing? Latin alphabet.
In your logic do not STEAL latein alphabet you snow nigger.
So in that logic Germany or England is stealing alphabet from latein people?

What is religion of the west Christianity.
It’s came from Jewish which from middle east.
Do not steal religion of middle east you European.

What is the number that people is useing? Indian number.
Do not steal number from India you European,

See how fucked up and hypocritical


Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 13:03:04 [Preview] No.25950 del
>>25940
For you fucking read those note before post >>25832
>>25837
>>25838
>>25839
>>25840
>>25841
>>25842
>>25843


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Bernd 05/14/2019 (Tue) 15:58:17 [Preview] No.25961 del
>>25945
Why do you guys mostly dress like WECTerns and have haircut like them though? It's not like rest of the world can do much about it. Our majority is severely bastardized by american pop culture and islamic weirdo shit. Not seeing that type of thing in there.


Bernd 05/15/2019 (Wed) 06:35:10 [Preview] No.25978 del
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>>25941
>Look at internet. There is so many "bushing japan "memes.
>Because a lot of chinese money is investing to do anti Japanese imfometion to the world.
What, in English? I have no idea what you're talking about here and your assertion that China is 'investing' in misinformation about Japan online or is otherwise trying manage western perceptions of Japan sounds like paranoia. I've seen a lot of digital propaganda that's mostly against China, Russia, and the U.S of A. Everything else is unsophisticated, weak, targeted, and often feels that it's being forced by a handful of delusional individuals rather than being a state sponsored campaign.
>>25945
>Example of Japanese culture and achievements .
>anime
Exactly. Can any other Asian nation ever hope to compete?


Bernd 05/15/2019 (Wed) 08:23:56 [Preview] No.25986 del
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Koreans are horrible, they're the Jews of Asia.



But Japanese are the Swedes of Asia.
=Not even ruled by its own people but by a historical elite class that serves foreign interests.


Bernd 05/15/2019 (Wed) 08:31:21 [Preview] No.25987 del
NK is the Palestine of Asia, of course.
And China is the United Nations :D of Asia



Finalnd needs no mentioning, it's already in Asia :D
Without joking, Finland of Asia is maybe Manchuria, not worth mentioning.


Bernd 05/15/2019 (Wed) 14:42:42 [Preview] No.25994 del
>>25931
Yes
"'very shocking fact but the U.S. has the wartime operational controll rights of the south Korean military , following 65 years of American control.""
Wartime operational control, known as OPCON, describes the U.S.-led command of South Korean military forces in time of war.
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Even japan and Germany has own rights of operations of own military by thenselfs but SK does not have even war time operation right of own military without permission of the USA.
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South Koreans are still a wartime occupied country by USA. unlike Japan or Germany
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what a sad Koreans are
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S. Korea Seeks to Take Over Wartime Control of Military From US

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>And 2019 Military Strength Ranking
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Japan is ranked 6
Korea is ranked 7
Japan already surpassed Korean military power.
And even japan is still the self diffence force and not being full potential of it.
If japan became full offensive military force it will two or three rank will higher


Bernd 05/15/2019 (Wed) 16:19:47 [Preview] No.25996 del
>>25994
So how can they be the supporters of communism and China as you claim it here: >>25157 when their army is controlled by the US? How can the US allow it to Korea to endanger her by dealing with North Korea?
Also how could they just send the army and fight against the North as you expect them here: >>25217 if they doesn't even control their army?
They can only use diplomacy when they deal with anyone around there.

It is very apparent that you are irrationally hate Korea.
What you write is fine as long as it's about the unjustified claims of Korea for more money and apologizing. It's fine and reasonable. But after that it shows your inflated opinion of Japan as if we should bow before it's greatness or something. Noone questions numbers but basically it's the who cares category. You can't see any one of us sucking German or American dicks because whatever. And this discrediting campaign against Korea is very repulsive.
And I agree with Australia here >>25978 I rarely ever see any anti-Japanese propaganda, on the rare occasion they're just WWII posters and memorabilia.

The general populace here gives very little thought either of those countries in East Asia.
We curse the Chinese for their low quality consumer products but that's about it.
Not many people travel there, but those I know have a mixed impression of Japan, they like it and find it strange at the same time with it's peculiarities (I remember one account of a dude who recalled how small was the room he got, and he "saw a picture on the wall, that was the bed" and such anecdotes).
For Korea we spend even less time to think. It is very irrelevant for our everyday life. Maybe see something on the internet or on telly and say "how interesting", then move on.


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 02:42:53 [Preview] No.26008 del
>>25996
I’ll explain again one by one soon.
You are a bit miss understanding the point but you are still worth to discuss with respect do I’ll reply soon again


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 05:14:05 [Preview] No.26010 del
>>26008
You're gonna repost the whole thing again, aren't you?


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 05:17:15 [Preview] No.26011 del
>>26008
And btw, the others posted legitimate points. Swedish Bernd ridiculed you some but all the other participants remained the civil and even his concerns are legit behind the shitposting style.


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 10:37:21 [Preview] No.26012 del
>>26011
>>26010
Basically people can’t telize what propaganda is going on the

In fact I this thead, until I point out the things no one of people never know those imfometion.
Aren’t you?

Also why I’m saying that SK is Helping NK
It’s very simple hey are against UN rule to do such risky things
Do you know what the meaning helping NK?
Do you think that allows some Europian nation helping ISIS or Iran or so AGAINST UN rule?


>SK is sending 300tonnes of oil to NK without telling anyone. And against the Rule of the UN.
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https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/news
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South Korea breached UN rules by failing to report more than 300 tonnes of petroleum products sent to North Korea in 2018, according to a report published Wednesday.
South Korea supplied oil to North Korea and didn’t tell anyone
The revelation comes amid a standstill on denuclearization talks between Washington and Pyongyang.
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By David Gilbert
Jan 23 2019, 2:00pm
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>NK ICBM missile with nuclear weapon is supported by the highest space teacnology of the Russia.
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>and its a super high-altitude flight missile. So it’s hardly prevent even by the teacnology of the USA if it’s launch already.
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Missile will reach even NY city with in About 40 minutes and 30 seconds, With Nclear weapon.



Think well this meaning


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 10:39:03 [Preview] No.26013 del
>>26011
Yes I agree and I really thankful for the other bernd except that stupid Swedish one


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 10:54:42 [Preview] No.26014 del
>>26012
Ah I’m sorry too many spell miss
So let me repost again

>>26011
>>26010
Basically people can’t REALIZE what propaganda is going on them

And anti Japan propaganda is based on the ideology of after ww2 ,so very tricky and invisible propaganda.
Very simple and basic one is like "Japanese never compensated and apologize comfort woman and war criminals "
This is very clear anti japan propaganda to bushing japan endlessly and get money and advantage from japan endlessly.

But honestly this is due to Japanese too.
We can’t communicate by English well so Japanese position of those politics and economics and so on were ignored.
That’s why people is keep on doing bushing japan without intentions, because they misunderstood Japanese agree that saying of them. But truth is we are not good at English and couldn’t explain well until now

"""In fact In this thead, until I point out the things, no one of people never know those imfometion.
Aren’t you?'"""
This is already problems

Also why I’m saying that SK is Helping NK
It’s very simple
""They are against UN rule to do such risky things ""


Do you know what the meaning helping NK?
Do you think that allows some Europian or South American nation helping ISIS or so AGAINST UN rule?
If you think NK is not like ISIS then totally wrong
They have nukes
Also ICBM
Don’t forget about it
If NK once start shot the nuke to the world
That missile wil reach even USA
Japan is already engendered ,NK could nuke japan anyway

And SK now is sending 300 tons of oil and goods by ship to ship cargo transfer

Think well this meaning
Fucking this meaning of this risky act
Think from the stand point of Japanese and think about NK and SK
And how do you feel?
Think pls


>SK is sending 300tonnes of oil to NK without telling anyone. And against the Rule of the UN.
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https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/news
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South Korea breached UN rules by failing to report more than 300 tonnes of petroleum products sent to North Korea in 2018, according to a report published Wednesday.
South Korea supplied oil to North Korea and didn’t tell anyone
The revelation comes amid a standstill on denuclearization talks between Washington and Pyongyang.
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By David Gilbert
Jan 23 2019, 2:00pm
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https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/news
.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/43zymn/


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><<< NK is makeing ICBM missile that could reach even NY city with in About 40 minutes and 30 seconds, With Nclear weapon.>>>
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>NK ICBM missile with nuclear weapon is supported by the highest space teacnology of the Russia.
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>and its a super high-altitude flight missile. So it’s hardly prevent even by the teacnology of the USA if it’s launch already.
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Missile will reach even NY city with in About 40 minutes and 30 seconds, With Nclear weapon.



Think well this meaning


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 15:47:27 [Preview] No.26016 del
>>26012
Well, here's Reuters article about this "violation" of UN rules:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-southkorea-sanctions/south-korea-selective-in-implementing-sanctions-on-north-group-idUSKCN1PH0D4
This one adds more detail to the problem.
>South Korea sent 342.9 tonnes of petroleum products
>The U.N. sanction allows up to 500,000 barrels (73,087 tonnes) of refined petroleum products per year
>“We only used petroleum products to carry out joint inter-Korean projects, and our view is that this does not harm the purpose of sanctions on North Korea,” the foreign ministry said.
>Most of the petroleum products shipped to the North in 2018 were used for North-South family reunions in August, and joint projects such as a railway survey and the remodeling of a liaison office in Kaesong in the North.
>South Korea said in November it had received sanctions exemptions from the UNSC for a joint railway survey,
So that 350 tons is nothing compared to 73 087 and even that 350 was spent together by Choson and Hanguk. And the work they spent it on meant exception from the sanctions.
You are making an elephant from a flea.

>>26014
Korea can ask for reparation and apology over and over again but Japan can say no, and even the info on the matter is readily available for anyone since they are on wikipedia - as you posted it ITT.
And your diplomats can communicate in English very well.
We might have not known this info until you shared but frankly we also didn't know Korea demanded compensation several times after they were compensated. Also, sadly our opinion weighs very little in IRL diplomatic considerations and processes.


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 16:41:30 [Preview] No.26019 del
>>26016
Ok about the 300tonns of oil. I’ll buy your opinions for now.
Try to say Thank you for the sharing imfometion too.

https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/北朝鮮によるミサイル発射実験

Anywayvone other point is that it has like this process

NK is shooting missile to sea of japan 15times until now!

https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/北朝鮮によるミサイル発射実験

Look at this picture
Some of them are goes over the sky of japan.
If some country did to other country, it will 100% became war. right? This is really a crazy.

And at 2019 last month those discussions were going between NK and USA ,UA ,japan.
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Noth korean ask USA ,japan and UN to reduce economical sanctions and ask economical aid in return they say they will stop makeing nuclear weapon gradually.
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But in modern history,NK was just Takeing the aid
And never stop nuclear weapon. So USA Japan and UN saied "stop makeing nuclear weapon complitely then we will invest the NK a lot and make NK as develop as at least SK level."
This is suppose to big chance for NK.
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But NK refuged and shot missile 2 times on the Sea of Japan again.


I’m sure you are taking as like complitely not remation with this issue but what if America or Brazil shot the missile to the sky of the Mexico and its goes over the nation of Mexico?
You will get angry and upset
It’s normal human reaction


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 17:23:02 [Preview] No.26020 del
>>26016
Anyway about that SK sending 300tonnes of oil, I’ll buy your opinions.

But how do you think other things that miss understanding of imfometion of east Asia in this world such as Japanese culture is complitely copy from Korea and china
Or Japanese was ancient colony of Korea or Chinese or
Korean is richer and already sarpased japsn and japan is loseing everything
Or those wrong information arround this world.

I answered and against those things in this thread too
How do you think after reading those?
Even I would like to ask opinion of you too>>25978


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 18:11:21 [Preview] No.26025 del
>>26019
As well, I don't mind you sharing info and your opinion.

These missile tests are like as if they were brought back straight from the Cold War. Rough. Pretty unnerving stuff but I'm positive their leaders realize if they use nuclear weapons their country will turn into ashes and ruins and wasteland.
During the Cold War both sides (even the Soviet Union) imagined their role retaliatory, so they would have attacked if the other side had made move first. Noone wants to be the one to push the red button first, not even Kim.

>>26020
This is how I know it, read it:
China had great influence to all of their neighbours, Japan too. From the prehistoric era Chinese influence helped Japan to step forward. Then this cultural package were digested there and Japan created it's own culture from it. This was done similarly with the new cultural influence the Christian travelers brought with themselves. And then was done the same with what was wittingly taken from the Western powers in the 19th century, the cultural and industrial tools that started Japan to became and industrialized, imperialistic nation. And was done the same with the American influence after '45.
Japan is great in this, taking things, observe it, analyze it, than make it their own in their own way, for their own needs according their own taste. This makes Japan different then Korea, the former looks unique the latter looks Chinese (but then, I know less about Korea than Japan).


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 20:04:22 [Preview] No.26033 del
>>26025
I think let’s anyway end to discuss about missiles of NK. You can’t be our position, NK is artificial nation from the first and the biggest roll of NK Is acting totally crazy and be a excuse of attack other nations instead of done by China or Russia directly.
It means they don’t mind anything just if the time has come they I’ll shot the missile no matter what. It’s more than common sense what you believe.
Nk can actually nuke Tokyo anyday. This is already emergency for the position of Japanese
But it’s ok Let’s stop this topic because no end.


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 20:06:36 [Preview] No.26034 del
About culture and history of east Asia,

Th chinese communists party is promoting the propaganda "one Asia one China"
And make everything of japan was just the copy of China or those propaganda.


And based on those situations, Japanese culture was attacked by Chinese money, and korean money as ""the discount japan activity,""
For example those activities is makeing imfometion of Samurai is not Japanese culture but originated Samurang korean culture, and it’s sound so silly but this is very tricky now, Japanese culture is connected with continental culture but samurai is developed and continued in japan,as Japanese culture.

You may think it’s silly but like origami, Sumou, judo, jiujitsu, kimono, geisha, katana, ninja, samurai ,kendo, Shinto and so on is also saied it’s invented by korean or Chinese, and many chinsevand korean believe this way. And spray those imfometion too. And many Chinese and korean believe this way.

this discount japan activity is destroying the identity of young Japanese and make people to think "japan is nothing but a copy dog of Chinese culture so Japanese should be part of china"make like this thinking by spend long time
. This is one Asia one China propaganda


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 20:09:54 [Preview] No.26035 del
>>26034
I’ll explain why it’s sooo risky that people simplify to think all Asia is just copy from China or so

Actually too many things have to discuss so it’s difficult to figure out but roughly to say culture of China, Korea and Japan is similar to be like as different as Slavic culture (Russian, ) and west europ,
Similar but surely very different could be said.
Also could be say as different culture as Arabs, Jew and Christians
Or
Arab ,percian and German
Similar but surely "very" different.

Do you know why is it?

Because base of the race of each are different.
And each race has different thinking as like Arab ,percian and europian


First of all ""Chinese culture"" is very very tricky.
Because it’s mass of the complitely different racial people into one big package.
And each dynasty of China is very different for East Asian and it’s bacame big gap. I’ll explain this.

Firstly ancient Chinese culture itself is effected by ancient Indian and ancient Persian culture.

For example ancient China has a lot of elite percisn lawyer or Scholar and business man.
This relationship of ancient percia and Chinese must be more resurched by people.
Not to mention buddisim from the indie and first martial arts of China is shaolin kan fu but it’s from Indian monk who was in shalin temple.

Also Guangdong culture is big part of Chinese but it’s effected culture from south east Asia and so on as the southern Chinese.

Anyway about Japanese
How long Japan had cultural exchange or relationships with China and Korea?
With korea until 799.
With tang China until 907.
After that japan stoped culture relationships with them until nearly modern age.
except some of three times of war between japan and China(abd korean was got fucked up by it though)

This means japan was not related with them since 907
Summary of history of mid era of east Asia here >>25832

And
Very essential Base of Japanese cultur
is actually island Asian Jomon culture.
This Jomon culture is very big more than people imagine.
Noth Hokkaido asisn Ainu ,main land Jomon and even Hawaiian culture has all connected and similarity too.

For example, Hawaiian has culture of MANA religion.
This concept is very similar to Japanese Shinto KAMI. Also we call KAMI as TAMA too.
And KAMI or TAMA is highest position of and concept of Japanese religion.
Those culture of island Asian add culture of TANG dynasty of China add evolution since stop communicating with China at 907 .
This is basically Japanese culture..


And go back why culture of japan and China/korra is different

Because the Tang China which what Japanese was related was destroyed by Mongolian manchurisn race later and Chinese culture of now is based on Mongolian culture who is useing Chinese character and classic thinkng.
(Chinese character in east was like latein alphabet of West. So east asisn is useing it as like westerner is useing Latin alphabet)

And those Mongolian manchurisn and Tang China is totally different race more than people imagine.

You can imagine for example (just example) American conquered and masscered all the Japanese abd stay in japan and speak Japanese and wear kimono and practice kendo,
Is it’s fucking Japanese??
The same things was happned. Monglian race conquered and massacred super hard on chinese dynasty and they practiced Classical Chinese academics based on the Mongolian culture.

So from the stand point of japan, its already a lot different. I’m not sure you can imagine it or not.


Bernd 05/16/2019 (Thu) 20:11:20 [Preview] No.26036 del
>>26035

About korean. Summary of its history is here >>25832

And add more important point is that
Koguryŏ and other ancient three kingdom of Korean was totally different race.
Koguryŏ Was noth Mongolian equestrian which is Manchurian of now!

And other ancient three kingdom of Korea was more southern Chinese.

And modern korean is kind of the result of the noth Mongolian equestrian Manchuria Koguryŏ mixed with southern Chinese yayoi.
This is the reason korean face of now is based on it
The pic is about it.
And they were being tributary puppet states of China until 20centiry

So the korean which japan was related until 799 and modern korean of now is so much different or could be say complitely different.


See how risky to think all Asian is like chinese
In fact it’s mass of the totally different people
At least as different as Russian,Persian ,Arab and German.


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 06:26:21 [Preview] No.26047 del
>>26035
The same things was happned. Monglian race conquered and massacred super hard on chinese dynasty and they practiced Classical Chinese academics based on the Mongolian culture.
So from the stand point of japan, its already a lot different. I’m not sure you can imagine it or not.


Look at this people picture
China real dress of 800year arround of rull of the Mongolian race the china.
And kimono in japan.

Chinese is trying to revival and commercials Han dress but it’s already cultural ended since almost 800year of mongol rule

Imagine this china and japan is the same culture??

Is it natural that China is promoting the "one Asia one China" propaganda?

Even to see this dress two people has two exactly different culture
Chinskf now is express it’s power, richness and gold

Japan kimono is express the culture of minimalism ,elegance and social balance and cleanses.
China now and japan is totally different as we can see here


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 06:27:09 [Preview] No.26048 del
>>26047
I mean this


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 06:29:14 [Preview] No.26049 del
>>26048
>Even to see this dress two people has two exactly different culture
Chinsee dress now is express it’s power, richness and gold

Japan kimono is express the culture of minimalism ,elegance and social balance and cleanses.
China now and japan is totally different as we can see here


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 06:55:55 [Preview] No.26050 del
>>26013
because you spam your copy paste shit all over the chans

https://endchan.xyz/pol/res/71617.html

the mistake is that bernds are replying to this shit


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 07:06:38 [Preview] No.26051 del
>>26050
Firstly it’s telated politics so I post at there
What’s wrong


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 08:03:44 [Preview] No.26063 del
>>26035
>With korea until 799.
>With tang China until 907.
What happened during those dates? Also why are you use the term getting effected by other cultures almost as an insult?

Also can you answer this? >>25961
>WECT


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Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 13:05:18 [Preview] No.26072 del
>>26063
I’ll answer this
With korea you can see here>>25839

>799 japan stop to related with Korea becouse
the Korean value slumped and ended when Chinese culture was introduced directly via Japanese missions to Tang China. Emperor Kanmu severed diplomatic relations with Silla in 799.

With tang China sorry more exactly it was 874 japan stoped communication with China.
Because at that age Tang China had Huang Chao revolution and tang dynasty was destroyed.
Since then japan claimed japan has own emperor Tennou Heika, own samurai army and own empire of rising sun japan and start ignored chinese from that year.
And Yüan China dynasty (this dynasty is complitely Mongolian chinese) try to invade japan two times but japan kicked out it!
But korea was offcouse being full tributary puppet states and they even try to invade japan with Yuan dynasty.

And sorry what do you mean WECT?


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Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 19:04:14 [Preview] No.26083 del
>>26063
>Also why are you use the term getting effected by other cultures almost as an insult?
Insecurity. All the Aryans has it, the "real" one Germans, and the honorary Japanese.
Since Germans are offended by the fact that the whole European culture is created by Mediterraneans and they just take the package over, they had to invent this "Indo-European" myth so they can rationalize: "it's ok, Meds are us too".


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 19:59:12 [Preview] No.26084 del
>>26033
We aren't unfamiliar with nuclear danger, the accident of Chernobyl effected us too. Also it wasn't an enjoyable thing to be on the target list of USA during the Cold War.
Japan isn't entirely defenseless tho:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/everything-you-need-know-japans-missile-defenses-22155
This article was written in 2017, some updates were made since then.
Ofc without the danger the defense system wouldn't be needed (and the money could be spent elsewhere).

>>26034
My information about Japan is mostly based on this book:
Japan - A Story of a Nation by Edwin O. Reischauer; published by Charles E. Tuttle Co., Tokyo, 1991. Mine is a Hungarian translation from 1995, by Hungarian people and publisher. I'd hardly can call it Chinese or Korean propaganda. I read it twice, long time ago tho.

>>26035
And we ain't talking about simple copying. Maybe during the first few centuries but there were great many modifications.
You ask:
>How long Japan had cultural exchange or relationships with China and Korea?
You say until but don't say since. The first Chinese influences reached the islands as early as the 1st century. The Chinese writing system was introduced in the 5th (or even a little earlier) and Buddhism was adopted in 552 but they got to know this even earlier.
Not just Chinese and Korean monks arrived from the continent, but Japanese converts went back there to learn and they returned with not simply just the religion but with the continental culture.
And then the Japanese court sent envoys to China, with all kinds of experts to learn there what they can, politicians, "engineers", artists came back with new knowledge.
Yes, connections were severed later and then Japan had time to digest and change what was learnt. To develop it, shape it along their own taste, and mix it with native old and new traditions.

>>26036
>>26047
These are interesting infos.

>>26072
>And Yüan China dynasty (this dynasty is complitely Mongolian chinese) try to invade japan two times but japan kicked out it!
Well, in the first case the typhoon destroyed the fleet (Kamikaze), the second try was kinda half-asses and weak and the result was same.


Bernd 05/17/2019 (Fri) 21:03:02 [Preview] No.26087 del
>>26072
WECT is west with pseudo cyrillic alphabet. Figured you know since kc boards crawling with russians. Thank you for answer.

Also you say there were lots of persian statesman on china.Can you prove this? I only know during islamic conquest of persia, the remnants of the last persian dynasty members sought refuge in china. I also know they were eventually buthcered.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 00:36:47 [Preview] No.26088 del
>>25031
Koreans aren't humans.


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>>26084
Let's see what Japan adopted from China.
Writing. The Japanese one(s) is(are) the derivation of the Chinese.
Centralized government, ministries, administration, bureaucracy, province system, system of land ownership, taxation, permanent capital, planned city structure (first: Nara, grid after Chang'an), law books, calendar, historiography and literature, Confucianism, myths and superstitions, technical knowledge in textile manufacturing, metalwork, bridge building and architecture.
But as I said it wasn't blind copying because all these thing were tailored to suit local conditions and were modified by the native taste from the beginning (and after the isolation, even more).
All the things mentioned here: >>26034
>origami, Sumou, judo, jiujitsu, kimono, geisha, katana, ninja, samurai ,kendo, Shinto and so on
These are the surface, the picture we can see, but the inner workings, the engine is very much Chinese origin.

>>26088
Picrel.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 08:04:11 [Preview] No.26096 del
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japan makes great tools


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 08:06:09 [Preview] No.26097 del
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>>26072
>And Yüan China dynasty (this dynasty is complitely Mongolian chinese) try to invade japan two times but japan kicked out it!

so the whole kamikaze winds typhoon was a lie


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 10:37:17 [Preview] No.26102 del
>>26090
>centralized government
Neither shoguns or emperors had that much amount of power against their vassals and they werent really centralized at all.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 10:43:13 [Preview] No.26103 del
>>26102
werent japan in a constant state of civil war for like 300 years


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 10:53:35 [Preview] No.26106 del
>>26103
>>26103
Neither sengoku or boshin war period lasted that long. I wouldnt call it civil war though, it mostly vassals butcher each other for local power grabs.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 11:00:21 [Preview] No.26107 del
>>26090
I’ll reply your post later after the work.

Anyway the point why modern japan and modern China/Korea can not be one China one Asia movement is...
Firstly japan has no Mongolian culture in its culture table but Korean and modern Chinese is basically Mongolian from the blood.

‘This fact makes us a lot different thinking , characters and view of life and society too
But it’s hard to describe to but very surely.

Also
>These are the surface, the picture we can see, but the inner workings, the engine is very much Chinese origin.

This is typical hypocrite
It’s east asisn culture because as I saied Ancient chinese was already destroyed and massacered by other race and China and Korea is basically Mongolians. Mongol has mongol own thinking and culture very much
Add more china is mongol add communist
It’s totally different now

Also if You say "inncer engine of culture" or this shit.

Inner engine of Japanese culture is based on 500year of EDO culture
Edo culture is nothing to do with chinese basically

Inner engine of western culture is Arabian sience and math which renaissance resurched and Arabian sience is from Ancient Greece which is learn from ancient Egypt And Mesopotamia.

Stop that shit


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 11:20:22 [Preview] No.26109 del
>>26102

Yes!!
Whstvi mean here >>26107 is that.

Edo system and Chinese imperial rule system is different

Edo era of japan each place of japan was as like being other nation with other law, and united and gathering to have meeting in Edo castle.
Emperor has nothing power it’s just religion symbol since shogunate started
So it’s more like System similar to United States

Edo era of japan is like United States of samurai japan. USSJ.

Chinese political system is one emperor and arround emperor got every super power like exactly the same of now.
Communists party of japan is emperor and every power they has.

This is also the reason japan and China now is different

If china was keeping Tang Dynasty and never be under the rule of Mongolian
I bet japan was thinking japan and that tang China could be almost same or similar things.
But in reality it’s not at all now

Look at pic here >>26047


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 11:22:08 [Preview] No.26110 del
>>26109
>Communists party of japan is emperor and every power they has.

Sorrry I mean Communists party of China is emperor and every power they has.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 11:36:25 [Preview] No.26111 del
Ancient Chinese culture this words are tricky
Because they are Ikue Ancient Greece and it’s not existed both now

Modern china is the nation of Mongolian mixer communist empire who has partly '"East Asian culture".
Becouse that ancient China is like Ancient Greece and modern Chinese base of culture is Mongolian who adapted culture of ancient east asisn culture(like tang China)

Korea now is Monglian manchurisn add south Chinese who has ancient East Asian culture in it.

Japan is Jomon island Asian who mixed with ancient east asisn culture as yayoi effect but no Mongolian culture and thinking or blood in it.

I bet westerner can not imagine also chinese and korean themselfs can not imagine well but ancient east asisn culture like japan do and modern Korea who has Manchurian culture in it or modern china who has manchurisn mongol culture add communism init is super different.
At least as different as Slav people and German or Scandinavian
Or Arab and Western Europe

As different as this level at least


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 12:31:30 [Preview] No.26112 del
Fuck most of the things I've written is gone.

>>26109
>>26107
I understand what you're trying to say.

From what I've gathered han dynasty unified china and that was the end of ancient chinese culture and emerge of new chinese culture. They merged their culture with non-han chinese cultures (which were distincttive) manchus and mongolians, Xiongu (which is Turk according to chinese historians) and with Ting-ling(?) (speculated to be ancestors of Turks) That was the end of ancient chinese culture. But with end of that culture the chinese didn't have recession, they rather boomed. Tang dynasty is a good example, they were one of the most open towards foreigners amongst the chinese dynasties. They were affected from other cultures but they just didn't merely copy. And their military is good example of this, they wouldnt able to conquer tarım basin otherwise.

>Edo culture is nothing to do with chinese basically
But what about his other claims about scripture and other stuff? They've come from china. Western culture didn't took many elements of islamic culture that much, but as civilization not as culture they took their scientific methods and developments.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 12:32:26 [Preview] No.26114 del
>>26111
china is just the oldest civilization around but hey whatever


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 12:35:58 [Preview] No.26115 del
>>26034
>this discount japan activity is destroying the identity of young Japanese and make people to think "japan is nothing but a copy dog of Chinese culture so Japanese should be part of china"make like this thinking by spend long time
What exactly do the Chinese and Koreans do that undermine Japanese identity? Do Japanese youths actually think their cultural identity is some kind of Chinese copy? I think it would be very ignorant and unusual for any south east Asian national to consider their own cultural heritage and that of their neighbors to be simply copying China.
>>26036
>See how risky to think all Asian is like chinese
Who believes this? The Chinese are trying to export their culture as a form of soft power much like any other empire but I imagine that Japan has more of a guard against their influences than poorer nations in the region. And if we're talking about cultural identities being destroyed then post war America has had a lot more success than any Chinese propaganda ever will.
>>26111
This is all very interesting, cheers. But how does this history play into modern south east Asian geopolitics and culture? Surely Korea has some historical quirks of their own to identify with today. Also, who came up with genmaicha first?


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 13:26:29 [Preview] No.26118 del
>>26112
>scientific methods and developments.
West found that system sicientfic method and "developments" and separate it as culture, but east asisa it’s equally to culture.

Anyway let’s say japan and China/Korea is like as different as West europ and Slavic Russia/Ukraine.
Or as different as Christianity and Arab/noth African.

Not too much different and ancient civilization is connected but also surely different.

Mongolian culture and ancient east asisn culture.
This two are ceoarate some part of japan and china/korea.
I’ll resurch more and ty to explain more smoothly.


>>26115
>What exactly do the Chinese and Koreans do that undermine Japanese identity? Do Japanese youths actually think their cultural identity is some kind of Chinese copy?

Many people think that way internationally
Especially korean is doing every single Japanese culture is korean origins or Japanese empties korean or so too.

I against it by here so pls read >>25837
>>25838
>>25839
>>25840
>>25841
>>25842
>>25843



Abd China is doing korean culture is chinese origins so japan must be under the chinese economy or so.

We against it. We will be side of democracy world and stand for western world.
Modem China and japan is different as I explain here >>26111


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 13:58:02 [Preview] No.26122 del
>>26107
The Chinese model arrived to Japan way before the Mongol conquest. I clearly wrote that.
And where do you think Edo grew out from? The medieval era and that from the classical Japan which culture is a transplant of it's contemporary Chinese. Without the Chinese Edo period couldn't have happened because every result of the previous periods were grew out what was imported from China.
Without Chinese writing system Japanese writing couldn't have been made, no writing. Without writing no Seventeen-Article, no Pillow Book, no Haikus. Just for an example.
But for another example: without the Chinese concept of emperor, the concept of Tenno wouldn't exist. It wasn't imported during the modern period but much much earlier, still it has it's impact even up to this day.

Yes, European culture is originating from the Middle East. Everyone recognize that. Greeks transformed it, added a little here, taken away a little there, Romans did the same. Christianity also Middle Eastern, it came into Europe just like Buddhism came from China to Japan, both mixed with the local culture and something new emerged. And yes, the knowledge of the ancient world was rediscovered thanks for the Crusades against the Muslims, again in the Middle East, and this rediscovery gave way to the Renaissance (tho Scholasticism paved it's way considerably). Everyone accept these facts accept a few trolls on imageboards.,
This is how things work in this world.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 14:19:58 [Preview] No.26123 del
>>26122
What you are saying is ancient east asisn culture.

That’s why I’m saying the word "Chinese culture" it’s tricky.

Ancient chinese is like Ancient Greece and both are not existed.

Chinese now is mainly Mongolian manchurian who has ancient eat asisn culture asthe base of civilization and main culture of them are Mongolian culture add communism.

Japanese is Island Jomon Asian who got ancient east asisn culture as yayoi effect but no any cultural effect from Mongol or Manchu.

That’s why I’m saying japan and China is as different as western europ and Slavic Russia.


Surely connected as ancient base culture but also surely different.


In West,
Europ, jew and Middle East is connected Ancient Rome culture and ancient middle eastern culture as ancient western culture.
That’s what you are saying simply "chinese culture".
Europe’s is useing latein alphabet, sience and philosophy, Christian religion which from Middle East. Those are ancient Roman culture which is base of the ancient western culture.
What you are saying as chinese culture is it. Ancient east asisn culture.

Ancient Chinese who has ancient east asisn culture is diaspored and destroyed complitely.

Bit what we have now is
Modern China (mainly manchurisn Mongolian people mixed with a lot of any other asisn race which is being communists who has Ancient East Asian culture as back ground of them.)

And

Japan (Yamato people who is mix of island Asian Jomon and continental yayoi who brought ancient east asisn culture but no effect of Mongolian manchurisn culture and thinking or blood and not a communist)

For example manchuruab mongol culture is showing super showily gold style, Power and richness, showily , machoisim.
Those are opposites of the real ancient East Asian philosophy like minimalism , cleanses , natural elegance , as like japan is doing.
China is trying to revival those ancient asisn culture but they lost them long time ago and result is those shitty revival fake culture >>26047
>>26048


This is at least as different as Western European and Slavic Russia or Turkish.

So we can’t say japan and chine is the same things with the same culture and the same thinking at all.
Can you get the point?


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 14:29:30 [Preview] No.26124 del
>>26123
This "ancient China isn't modern China" is beside the point. Literally noone says that modern Chinese give Japan literacy. You are arguing against something that was never been said.
Modern China pretty much the descendant of ancient China btw, Mongols and communism doesn't matter.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 14:39:42 [Preview] No.26125 del
>>26124
Ancient Chinese and modern chinese ad Japanese has all "ancient east asisn culture and civilization. As like europ,Turku and Arab has ancient Roman culture as base (meanwhile ancient middle eastetn culture)

Problem is modern china and ancient china is as different as Ancient Greece and modern Turkish.

But the word is saying " Chinese culture " instead of "ancient east asisn culture".

Main Chinese culture of now is based on Mongolian culture and modern china lost the ancientbeast adusn culture as like japan has
So they do even fake revival of ancient east asisn revival movement for the nationalism
But again modern china is based on Mongolian culture
Look at this picture well>>26048
And this >>26047


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:08:47 [Preview] No.26126 del
>>26124
>Mongols and communism doesn't matter.

For example this is dress of modern china
Also dress of the emperor of China until 20century
Both are 100% came from manchurisn Mongol.
Even emperor wear the mongol dress and never wear the "ancient east asisn dress "as like Japanese emperor wear from the ancient asisn culture came from the tang China.
This is showing how Mongolian manchurisn culture was strong the modern china because even emperor or no body never wear the ancient east asisn dress as like Japanese imperial family wear at the traditional retrial.
Or China has no traditional ancient East Asian retrial like Japanese do but what China do is basically manchurianisd related things or each of minor tribes of minor traditions but not ancient east asisn culture as like imperial Japanese or Japanese of each Shinto temple is keeping. Some of culture is from 1500year ahi or more older in japan without stop. I don’t think you can believe it ir not.

This is very big difference more than your imagine

Because Manchurian culture is totally opposite of the ideal of ancient East Asian philosophy

Manchurisn is showily golden style show the power and power and power

Japan like ancient East Asian philosophy is showing minimalism , modest natural elegance like wabisabi and Monono aware and zen that japan developed and Japanisd from ancient East Asian civilization philosophy


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:11:01 [Preview] No.26127 del


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:13:02 [Preview] No.26128 del
>>26127
What’s that!!?. I posted manchurisn dress but appear strenge white womans pictire...
Wait this is not trolling just ignore that very creepy...


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:16:54 [Preview] No.26129 del
>>26126
Anyway this


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Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:27:39 [Preview] No.26132 del
>>26127
I'd hit that. it's okay to make """mistakes""" like this.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:30:44 [Preview] No.26133 del
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>>26126
Well many other emperors dress extravagantly it seems, it's not manchu only thing as you claim.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:34:03 [Preview] No.26134 del
>>26126
This means ancient china and the people's republic of China
Is as different as Ancient Greece and Turkish emperor.
Both are the same base of the Roman Empire culture or Ancient Greece culture or culture of middle eatern culture.
But surely different as Ancient Greece and Turkish is different people

The same
The people s republic of China and ancient China shareing the same ancient east asisn culture but the PRC is manchurisn communist even emperor of them was wearing 100% manchurisn dress like here >>26129 and they complitely lost the ritual or dress or so of han culture like related ancient east asisn culture and doing shitty fake revival movement of it.
But japan never has been Mongolianized and keeping ancient east asisn culture with own Japanese taste in it.

This is the all point and difference.

So chinese culture of now and ancient Chinese culture is sharing the same cultural backbone but surely different.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:35:01 [Preview] No.26135 del
>>26133
Last one you posted, what year of it?


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:37:58 [Preview] No.26136 del
>>26133
Offcouse they had that ancient East Asian culture but now more manchurianised so hard and it’s disappear

Show me which kind of chinese elite or royals even before modernized , wearing the dress related ancient east asisn culture as like Japanese imperial family or each of Shinto priests do even now without stop


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:43:13 [Preview] No.26137 del
>>26135
Late 500's

>>26136
>Offcouse they had that ancient East Asian culture but now more manchurianised so hard and it’s disappear
You attributed dressing flamboyantly or extravagantly to mongols but clearly that's not the case. And if revivalist movements promote dressing like emperors that's stupid either.

Chinese culture is not mancurianized as you claimed, during the last emperors reign there was already attacks against ancestor temples of qing dynasty.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 15:51:21 [Preview] No.26138 del
>>26137
>Late 500's
Its even before Tang was gone..surely it’s less effected by mongol culture on it.

>
Chinese culture is not mancurianized as you claimed,

What kind of ancient East Asian culture survived in modern China?

Dont tell me they use chinese character and study old Taoism in school .
It means if europian is study latein alphabet , Greece philosophy and being Christian , Ancient Rome or Ancient Greece culture is still surviving?

Modern europ culture and Ancient Greece culture is as different as modern Chinese (manchurisn people basically ) and ancient Chinese who had ancient East Asian culture

Ancient Greece and ancient Chinese is both disappeared
Face this reality


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:06:40 [Preview] No.26139 del
>>26138
>Ancient Greece and ancient Chinese is both disappeared
Except modern China is straight line progenitor of ancient China. Just like modern Germany is the straight line progenitor of the Holy Roman Empire.
China absorbed and changed the Mongols - at least those who settled there, compared to the amount of original population, they weren't that many -, the Mongols changed little on this chiseled marble golem. The thing is China goes through over and over on the same thing. A dynasty rises who creates order, it goes fine a while than stagnation comes, with corruption and everything turns to shit. Then civil war comes, a new House rises who makes order again. And this goes on and one, through the ages. Only the name changes, the institutions, the politics, the culture remains the same. It's a house getting some new paint, maybe a new roofing but that's it. Even communism is the same. The party rose from a civil war and created a new order. And will fall the same in the future as previous dynasties fell.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:15:00 [Preview] No.26141 del
>>26139 how you can say so even by this situation?>>26139

In that your logic straight line progenitor who developed real eat asisn culture is more like japan more than China who had mongol effect or comunisim cultural revolution (that against past chinese culture and destroy and replaced it to communism)

How can you explain it
How can you say it’s not japan but a manchurisn communists China who is doing complitely different cultural life style or ideal of ancient east asisn philosophy


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:21:09 [Preview] No.26142 del
>>26139
>>26139
Even 500years of Qing dynasties and more last guan dynasty and so on of emperor is wearing never chinese Han fu but Mongolian dress and let people to force to do manchurisn traditional hair style to the all the people??
Which is CULTURELY more similar to ancient East Asian civilization that japan or that China >>26129


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:29:18 [Preview] No.26143 del
>>26139
Actually I was discussing one Chinese guy before.
And do you know what that very chinese guy himself told me?
It is this

"Japan is the only country left carrying on the true legacy of thousands of years of East Asian civilization ironically. A highly developed Neo-Confucianism mixed with Mahayana Buddhism blended with local Shinto with the rising sun traditions and gods has created a vibrate society. China has gone to shit with the destruction and warping of their own culture and history because of Communism and the Great Leap Forward. Korea has become a Christian shithole divided by two different kinds of Western ideology. Vietnam's colonization by the French has destroyed their East Asian identity as well. High Classical East Asian Literature, philosophy, customs and values only now only truly exist in Japan."

Even Chinese guy told me so but I have opinion add more


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:31:14 [Preview] No.26144 del
>>26141
>>26142
So?
Holy Roman Empire was a feudal monarchy, now Germany is a federal republic. Instead of gothic armor and rough linen they wear suit and cotton t-shirt. They rarely ride carts but have Mercedeses Volkswagens. They watch American shows on Chinese made television instead of reading Bible. Still Germany is straight line descendant (sorry I mistook this word with progenitor) of the HRE.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:33:42 [Preview] No.26145 del
>>26143
Well those are nothing to do with muh mongolian conquest, rather to do with current affiliation with american culture about anything in their life. Chinese people I know uses western names in the west for example. So, no mongolized china for you..


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:36:23 [Preview] No.26146 del
>>26144
Because American is also the successor of the western europ culture which is connected Holy Roman Empire if it’s goes deeper

But what if that German royal family is wearing Arabic dress and worship Islam?

Modern Chinese empire was being 100% manchurian style and worship communisim instead of doing totallly the same ancient East Asian cultural ritual from nearly 1500years ago like japan is doing


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:39:50 [Preview] No.26148 del
>>26145
>>26144
That’s totally from the stand point of western

Japanese is complitely in the east asisn world as the direct Line
So we could feel what is different and what is frim real east asisn culture

From the racistic western mind, everything look like the same

But modern chinese is very less connected ancient east asisn cultural value

Or could be say totallly opposite of it


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:44:39 [Preview] No.26149 del
>>26146
>>26146
>Because American is also the successor of the western europ culture
no, not at all since western european culture still exist in europe.

>But what if that German royal family is wearing Arabic dress and worship Islam?
if the institutions, traditions and state traditions carry on more or less same, yeah they would still descedant of germany.

>Modern Chinese empire was being 100% manchurian style
I asked, you come up with examples of dresses. I pointed out it wasnt so humble as you claimed. I've yet to see other manchu traditions dominating china.

>So we could feel what is different and what is frim real east asisn culture
feel? we argue with logic.

>From the racistic western mind, everything look like the same
from racistic japanese mind, I only know whatabouts of europe and asia minor appereantly I'm clueless about far east?

You keep saying china is mangol-manchu but I've yet to see strong evidences that validate this.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:47:35 [Preview] No.26150 del
>>26145
Even Chinese themselfs is saying like this >>26143 (actually not only him but a lot of chinese is thinking the same things as like him).
And actually a lot of Chinese went japan welt huge shock because they felt like they are time traveler and they found ancient real east asisn culture in japan but not China and some of them even cry for it.

But my opinion is even though China now lost a lot of connections with ancient east asisn culture what japan has now, japan is offcouse not the same things of ancient China.

What we are now is the same situation of the west

We share the shadow of ancient east asisn culture
But it’s gone. As like Ancient Greece.

What we are is just Japan or PRC.
Which we are shareing the same ancient culture code as like German and Slavic Russian has the same European culture code but difference surely

The same japan and China is different even if Chinese found so many shadow of ancient East Asian culture what they lost but exist in japan.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:50:28 [Preview] No.26151 del
>>26150
But Manchuria had Chinese influence just the same as everyone else around. Even Mongols, and Huns. Probably even us, Hungarians had Chinese influence in some way.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:53:01 [Preview] No.26153 del
>>26150
>>26150
How does that helps to your mongolified china argument?


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 16:57:33 [Preview] No.26154 del
>>26153
>>26151
Ok it will not end, anyway modern china and japan has cultural backgrounds from ancient East Asian culture.

But japan and modern China is as different as western europ and Slavic Russia.even though both has cultural backgrounds of ancient East Asian culture.

Anyway go back to here


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:05:15 [Preview] No.26155 del
>>26153
>mongolified china
I’ll make complite note again more detailed about it and post here

But one of very clear examples is Queue
It’s manchurisn hair style and Quing china force to do that hair style to make people "manchurisnise"
And centerisining it to against other Chinese tribal code include very HAN
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queue_(hairstyle)
Also this is wrong >>26145
That’s effect of the mao cultural revolution of communism not a Americanize or such shit
You guy don’t know how hard Cultural revolution in China was


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queue_(hairstyle)


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:19:22 [Preview] No.26156 del
>>26154
>china and japan has cultural backgrounds from ancient East Asian culture
And China had that about 2000 BC and Japan 500 AD.
In this 2500 years China built itself up, a political and economical system, philosophies, literature... They created a new construct. And in Japan those in power saw that was great and adopted it. And again I acknowledge that then it was amalgamated with the native ways, changed to fit the local circumstances and evolved on their own way. Still it was the Chinese model that they created from about 2000 BC.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:32:17 [Preview] No.26157 del
>>26156
In that your logic Greece has Ancient history and europian admired it and Barbra.

Point is not that

Just simply china now and japan is shareing those ancient east asisn culture but different people

Also ancient china and china now is different
And could be Japanese is might be more keeping more pure ancient east asisn culture more than China.
Even Chinese guy and a lot of other Chinese think this way >>26143

So your saying has not such big meaning

Important is modern china and japan is as diffferent as Slavic Russian and Western Europian.
Yes or no?

And modern china or japan , which is keeping more pure ancient east asisn civilization and culture as like Japanese imperial family or Kyouto culture is keeping
Which modern china or japan


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:39:19 [Preview] No.26158 del
>>26155
"The queue was the only aspect of Manchu culture that the Qing forced on the common Han population."

from the link you've sent.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:40:47 [Preview] No.26159 del
>>26155
>That’s effect of the mao cultural revolution of communism not a Americanize
That's not related with revolution but it's a thing in modern day. As for cultural revolution I think that's how chinese classical culture is destroyed. Again nothing to do with mongolism.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:56:22 [Preview] No.26160 del
>>26159
Hum. Actually what we think of "ancient east asisn culture " and others think About ancient East Asian culture is bit different.

For example this architecture is made when it was Qing and explained Han chinese culture but for us this is kind of gross.
This kind of showily strenge art form is honestly not look like ancient east asisn culture to me.

Anyway about this matter it seems too easily to talk at here.

Anyway thank you for the discussion too


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 17:58:36 [Preview] No.26161 del
>>26160
I mean it was too earlier to talk here
But I could get some date of how people think about those matter
Thanks honest reply.


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 18:14:14 [Preview] No.26162 del
>>26157
Anyway pls try to answer this you two of guys


Bernd 05/18/2019 (Sat) 18:27:58 [Preview] No.26163 del
>>26160
Well you're welcome then.

>>26162
My answer is present day china still has institutions and mindset of old china though they severely bastardize it, culture revolution really screwed them up, especially their classical culture. But they didn't wipe it out. As for ancient greece none of their institutions or their state tradition lived up, byzantine emp. was a roman state with lots of oriental influences, by no means ancient greek civilization lives.

Even during 19th century europeans travelled to greece and they were severely dissapointed that, so much idolized and idealized greek folk now was just ordinary balkan herders. Though the tradition and civilization was long gone before we finished off byzantines.

For china that's not the case, there is continuity for them, though the ties has been damaged.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 00:10:26 [Preview] No.26172 del
>>26148
>From the racistic western mind, everything look like the same
Sure, if you know absolutely nothing about Asia. I can always tell the difference between Korean, Chinese, and Japanese characters, for example.
>>26141
>>26139
Alright, I think a lot of contemporary nations culture is some kind of farcical pretense of their past since globalization. I'm not sure how to expand on this more but that's the way I feel.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 01:58:16 [Preview] No.26173 del
Anyway stop brabrs just answer those two questions simply yes or no

1 Important part is whether modern china and japan is as diffferent as Slavic Russian and Western Europian.
Yes or no?

2 And modern china or japan , which is keeping more pure ancient east asisn civilization and ideal thinking, institution like temple and imperial family culture as like Japanese imperial family or kyoto culture is keeping even now
Which modern china or japan s keeping those more?
Even a lot of chinese themselfs is honestly saying this?
"Japan is the only country left carrying on the true legacy of thousands of years of East Asian civilization ironically. A highly developed Neo-Confucianism mixed with Mahayana Buddhism blended with local Shinto with the rising sun traditions and gods has created a vibrate society. China has gone to shit with the destruction and warping of their own culture and history because of Communism and the Great Leap Forward. Korea has become a Christian shithole divided by two different kinds of Western ideology. Vietnam's colonization by the French has destroyed their East Asian identity as well. High Classical East Asian Literature, philosophy, customs and values only now only truly exist in Japan."
And situation of China now >>26140



Just answer this row question anyway


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 02:17:57 [Preview] No.26174 del
>>26172
>>Alright, I think a lot of contemporary nations culture is some kind of farcical pretense of their past since globalization. I'm not sure how to expand on this more but that's the way I feel.


A lot of people can’t understand how it’s hard and need a lot of effort and money to keep own more than 1500years of real ancient culture without stop. As like what japan keeps in imperial family rituals or in Kyoto, in Nara and in the every each Shinto temple and Buddhist temple like in ise, Izumo, Miwa , Katori, Kashima, oogami, Inari
Those temple is more than 1500 or more older of real ancient culture and ritual in it.
"Offcouse not include sacrifices or such criminal act in modern law" but important is progressing what Japanese like and value and not change the forms to keep culture alive

Modern china, doing 0 effort of this. From the very japanese eyes it’s nothing but a communist shit holl even I can’t find any cltural value in the people’s life at all


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 03:44:33 [Preview] No.26175 del
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>>26173
>is whether modern china and japan is as diffferent as Slavic Russian and Western Europian
Yes.
>which is keeping more pure ancient east asisn civilization and ideal thinking
>Which modern china or japan s keeping those more?
That's not a yes or no question. Do you mean to ask if Japan is preserving their east Asian culture and ideals more than China? I think both countries have had significant disruption in their recent history that's made preservation difficult and I'm not sure that either nation genuinely carries the spirit of their past civilizations culture anyway. Still, if you're looking for a yes or no answer then I'm inclined to agree with you and say yes.
>>26174
>Modern china, doing 0 effort of this.
I can recall multiple reports of China trying to preserve and merchandise their traditions for export.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 04:05:50 [Preview] No.26176 del
>>26175
>I can recall multiple reports of China trying to preserve and merchandise their traditions for export.

Look at this picture
What you are talking is just shitty revival business of fake cultural revivalism for earning money
It has no sprit of the culture Gane.it’s a zombie already look at here >>26047

They failed by communists and they lost everything what ancient china had
>>26047

Effort to keep its cultural values means against those things and protect own culture of each ancient temple of Shito, or protect culture and ritural what imperial family of japan has.
This is what we call the effort and preserve the value of the ancient East Asian culture
Once they failed to be communists and ended the imperial line of qing dynasty which keeping the cultural line of ancient China .


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 04:07:44 [Preview] No.26177 del
>>26174
I mean answer is
Question 1 , yes or no
Question 2, which japan or modern communists China.


Anyway stop brabrs just answer those two questions simply yes or no

1 Important part is whether modern china and japan is as diffferent as Slavic Russian and Western Europian.
Yes or no?

2 And modern china or japan , which is keeping more pure ancient east asisn civilization and ideal thinking, institution like temple and imperial family culture as like Japanese imperial family or kyoto culture is keeping even now
Which modern china or japan s keeping those more?
Even a lot of chinese themselfs is honestly saying this?
"Japan is the only country left carrying on the true legacy of thousands of years of East Asian civilization ironically. A highly developed Neo-Confucianism mixed with Mahayana Buddhism blended with local Shinto with the rising sun traditions and gods has created a vibrate society. China has gone to shit with the destruction and warping of their own culture and history because of Communism and the Great Leap Forward. Korea has become a Christian shithole divided by two different kinds of Western ideology. Vietnam's colonization by the French has destroyed their East Asian identity as well. High Classical East Asian Literature, philosophy, customs and values only now only truly exist in Japan."
And situation of China now >>26140 (you)



Just answer this two question anyway


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 04:23:22 [Preview] No.26178 del
just which country is a degenerate anime shithole? china or japan?


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 04:29:23 [Preview] No.26179 del
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>>26178
i will answer myself


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 04:51:39 [Preview] No.26180 del
>>26178
>>26179
Actually China:
https://invidio.us/watch?v=PaiXBEwsxVE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_animation
The Chinese and Koreans wish they had an animation industry as vibrant as the Japanese.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 04:55:24 [Preview] No.26181 del
>>26179
>>26178
I’m not joking but anime is related Japanese simplified minimalism art and ukiyoe art form ad evolution with western dizny taste in it

It means it’s real alive ancient east Asia culture evolution form .

Real east asisn culture is liveing in japan so anime kind of things will be appeared in japan but not in China


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 05:10:55 [Preview] No.26183 del
>>26181
I mean like this anime was existed as ukiyoe manga and after modernism add Disney on ukiyoe manga. True evolution form of alive ancient east asisn culture.
Even anime is one of it


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 05:38:40 [Preview] No.26184 del
Anyway stop brabra and just answer those two questions.
Before post in this thread of now just answer the questions and make clear your position.

answer form is
Question 1 , yes or no
Question 2, which japan or modern communists China.




Questions 1
whether modern china and japan is as diffferent as Slavic Russian and Western Europian.
Yes or no?

2 And modern china or japan , which is keeping more pure ancient east asisn civilization and ideal thinking, institution like temple and imperial family culture as like Japanese imperial family or kyoto culture is keeping even now .

Which modern china or japan s keeping those more?
Even a lot of chinese themselfs is honestly saying this?
"Japan is the only country left carrying on the true legacy of thousands of years of East Asian civilization ironically. A highly developed Neo-Confucianism mixed with Mahayana Buddhism blended with local Shinto with the rising sun traditions and gods has created a vibrate society. China has gone to shit with the destruction and warping of their own culture and history because of Communism and the Great Leap Forward. Korea has become a Christian shithole divided by two different kinds of Western ideology. Vietnam's colonization by the French has destroyed their East Asian identity as well. High Classical East Asian Literature, philosophy, customs and values only now only truly exist in Japan."
And situation of China now >>26140


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 08:46:59 [Preview] No.26190 del
>>26184
Question 1.
Ofc there are differences. If I really want I probably can find differences even between the Czech Republic and Poland. There is no uniformity and countries aren't carbon copies of each other. Noone argues that Japan doesn't have a unique character.
Russia and Western Countries aren't all that different tho, Russia is just poorer but if they would have the money it would look like France or Gemany or whatever as in this corner of the world those countries are the role models.

Question 2.
>imperial family culture as like Japanese imperial family
The whole idea of imperium and emperor in that corner of the world is Chinese invention and import.
And frankly communist dictators are pretty much as monarchical rulers, and in large countries - like the Soviet Union was - especially with actual imperial backgrounds communist leaders are pretty much like emperors were back then.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 08:55:26 [Preview] No.26192 del
>>26190
You must answer just
1 yes or no
2 modern communist China or japan
This only two wavy of answer


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 09:00:29 [Preview] No.26193 del
>>26192
>You must
I really don't.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 09:05:10 [Preview] No.26194 del
>>26190
You think russia and france to Germany(western europ) is almost the same things. Then how about Putin Russia is became ruler of the whole europ for example suddenly tomorrow instead of EU or leadership of the Germany and it will not such big change and those human rights of the western europ will be still protected and not it will be like Ukraine or tivet in China?
This is delusional.

One China one Asia movement of China is about it as like Russia rules whole europ,

And do you know what was happned in the mao cultural revolution and how many Chinese traditional temple , traditional institution, art and culture was destroyed? To replace cominisim to real east asisn ancient culture like Japanese each temple of Shinto and imperial family ritual is keeping ?


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 09:06:32 [Preview] No.26196 del
>>26193
No you have to answer in this format
>>26190
You must answer just
1 yes or no
2 modern communist China or japan
This only two wavy of answer

You have to make clear your position or else endless shit continue


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 09:28:13 [Preview] No.26199 del
>>26192
>1 yes or no
porque no los dos

>>26192
>2 modern communist China or japan
bhutan


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 09:32:11 [Preview] No.26201 del
>>26194
>Then how about Putin Russia is became ruler of the whole europ for example suddenly tomorrow
I don't give a shit. The Soviet Union occupied my country for 40 years. Putin's Russia isn't worse than the Soviet Union.
And dealing with French and German insanity in another shitty union, isn't that big of a step up to be honest. But there isn't really much choice.

>>26196
I disagree. I made my position clear.
Since you can't argue against what I wrote because it's all valid, you want me to force to either accept your side or accept another side which isn't mine but you can argue against because it's pretty much untenable. You want me to accept your strawman.
I won't and can't accept any side of the choices you present.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 09:53:07 [Preview] No.26204 del
>>26201
This answer form is not agree with me or not it such things.

Just let people to just "answer" my question except endless braves

You must answer just
1 yes or no
2 modern communist China or japan
This only two wavy of answer
>>26184


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 10:03:29 [Preview] No.26205 del
>>26204
at this point you are not reasoning, just railroading to answer you want to hear. people will use their reason and freewill while they argue, regardless how much you protest against it.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 10:11:14 [Preview] No.26209 del
>>26205
to be fair most bernds live in their own echo chamber and ignores everything else


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 10:14:53 [Preview] No.26210 del
>>26205
For me that Hungarian is keep on escapeing the face some important aspect of this argument but anyway my statement is still weak so I must make more clear note too

Anyway what I wanted to speak most was already at the start of this thread.

So this topic is not too big things and if it’s things still my note is weak, so it seem too earlier to talk about it too.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 10:36:07 [Preview] No.26212 del
Anyway let’s change other topic for a while too.
Korean stock price is getting down and down now
If I say some people will say "japan too" shit but japan is not connected this tread now
It’s connected Fx of won and US doller
Korean gorvenment is protecting the 2000line since last night.
If 2000 line is break out we don’t know how much it will down! It could be like similar to turkey or Venezuela situations.
Let’s see everyone


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 10:46:43 [Preview] No.26213 del
>>26212
Everyone look at that pic and 2018 of korea
It was best and best economy of them was 2017 to 2018.
Like BTS kpop got the USA hit aword was also that year.

But look again the chart
It was bubble economy of them

And now South Korean needs other new business to make that bubble was not bubble economy,
Almost everything of korean economy (mostly selling smart phone and semiconductor by Samsung and other business by few big company of korean ) is lose and lose by chinese business.

So many invester (like me ) is escaping from Korea
But investing money from the Foreign Capital is almost like 80% of korean economy now.

It means in this chart that Foreign investing capital is escaping from Korea and became this chart now

Let’s see that success of Korea at 2018 was just the bubble economy?
Or
They can keep 2000 line and success again as like 2018 way?

Let’s see everyone

I actually open expensive sake bottle now
that 2000 line


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 11:17:08 [Preview] No.26214 del
>>26213
>>26212
Anyway no need to be rude too. peace


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 12:38:21 [Preview] No.26220 del
>>26213
>I actually open expensive sake bottle now
乾杯(かんぱい!
I expect the Korean semiconductor industry will do well but besides that, how would you describe Korea's domestic economy? Do you think there could be another Asian financial crisis?


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 12:46:26 [Preview] No.26222 del
>>26213
>I actually open expensive sake bottle now
skål and post more big booty bitchez


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 12:46:56 [Preview] No.26223 del
>>26220
>Aljazeera
>from Seoul
>by reporter named Novak
>who looks Azn


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 12:50:27 [Preview] No.26224 del
relevant to the thread

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YN2X3OjKiv8 [Embed]


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 12:51:02 [Preview] No.26225 del
>>26224
am I retarded or why isnt it embedded


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 13:28:21 [Preview] No.26232 del
>>26212
Actually I was waiting this situation for some reason.

This chart is actually connected the Trump did the economical sanctions on China.
And now Chinese yuan Is getting down.

It means this chart is connecting trump attack on China by economical sanctions and Chinese yuan goes big down
And mystery that korean won is also big down AND Koren stock price is also big down.

Japanese yen has totally different trend of this movement. And JPan stock price was UP or can be say as like usual normal day...

Everyone, now we can see who and who is more connecting economically.

Chart number never lie.

Also it has one of the reason why South Korea got crazy and ask suddenly such stupid money from japan at 2018 to blame Japanese war criminals over and over again.

Actually when korea got money crisis, they shout and blame about Japanese war criminals and ask compensation money
OR economy help.
At 2008. korean was TOTALLY the same situation of now.
At that time japan had pro korea pro China political party (minshu tou party) and they helped ton of money for them and saved(this need other note to explain.'

So they are shouting this to japan again >>25031
>>At 2018 again the Korean government decided to force Japan to pay $24 billion with the money coming from the 245 Japanese companies operating in Korea. Korea tries to force this as compensation for WW2

Korean is thinking they could be helped by japan again as like at 2008 even that compensation was not completed
But at least they are thinking they will be helped by japan and USA again but....

That chart of now is showing Chinese economy and korean economy is connected so strongly and japan is not related it. Again chart never lie.

And if trump never stop the sanctions on China and keep this situation...
Now or within this year

Asisn currency crisis again.

If you have knowledge of investing .
Prepar for it guys


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 13:40:03 [Preview] No.26233 del
>>26220
I’ll add some information of reality about korean semiconductor again soon.
But one things is korean semiconductor business now is like Constantinople of them.
Because one big wall of them "smart phone" business was ended.
If you see the stracture of korean economy, Yu could see how they are depend on semiconductor business and it’s related business.

There is some matter about it

1 is that old semiconductor teacnology is thesedays updated in internationally but korea fail to chach up this teacnological innovation.
So the price of old semiconductor is getting low and low right now.

2 chine opened more bigger factory for semiconductor than korea and day by day it will replace the position of korea as like they did for the smart phone.

And
3 strategy material of japan and USA Related semiconductor business

Japan has the strategic industrial materials which other country especially korea have to buy from japan and delend on the suppliers even Samsung

Read this.

This is the reason Korea afraid so much
the economical sanctions from japan

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/Japan-sanctions-threat-on-South-Korea-sparks-supply-chain-fears

""A Samsung chipmaking facility in Hwaseong. The South Korean group depends on Japanese suppliers. (Photo courtesy of Samsung Electronics)""
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SEOUL -- The prospect that Japan could impose economic sanctions on South Korea over a legal dispute concerning wartime labor cases has raised anxiety in Seoul and among companies on both sides that depend on cross-border supply chains.

South Korea's Foreign Ministry said Wednesday that Kim Yong-kil, director-general for Northeast Asian affairs, will meet here Thursday with his Japanese counterpart Kenji Kanasugi to discuss the issue, in which Japan-based industrial groups have been ordered to compensate forced-labor victims

The two senior diplomats may discuss a sanctions threat issued by Japanese Finance Minister Taro Aso this week that set off alarm bells. And listed the sanctions.



https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190501/p2g/00m/0na/055000c

SEOUL (Kyodo) -- A team of lawyers for South Koreans awarded damages from Japanese steelmaker Nippon Steel Corp. and machinery manufacturer Nachi-Fujikoshi Corp. over wartime labor said Wednesday they have asked a court to sell the firms' assets seized in South Korea to secure the compensation.
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Each of the "220,000"of korean people is asking at least "$89,051.50 = ¥10000000".
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Japan announced already, if korea sell the japanese assets they seized, japan will move to economical sanctions.


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 13:47:30 [Preview] No.26234 del
>>26232
>>26233
This two note is the reason of the chart of korean stock price goes big down and foreign capital is escapeing from Korea >>26212

There is 2 possibility
1 korean bank put ton of money and survive this and while surviving by putting money, korea one time new teacnology and call back foreign capital
Again.(Humm)

2 everything failed and be like Venezuela or turkey situation

4 China did something agains trump and China won against trump economical attack and Korea will be saved by them.

3 japan help Korea again and Korea will be again 0 thankfulness to japan and endless blame of war crime of japan from Korea is keeping even future again. To get money or help from japan endlessly


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 13:48:50 [Preview] No.26235 del
>>26234 sorry many misstype lol but like that


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 13:54:58 [Preview] No.26236 del
>>26232
Anyway this is direct reason of that korean chart situation.
Since it’s connected China and USA economical war and effected Korean stock price so hard (from the chart).
This is sick serious


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 14:21:27 [Preview] No.26240 del
Also one more add the fact
Every ten year arround korean has financial crisis happned unto now and everytime japan helped Korea at financial crisis until now
1997 asisn financial crisis
2008 financial crisis of korea
Now
2019 financial crisis of korea

But I bet japan will never help korean this time
What will happen?
This date is actually super important.
Let’s see


Bernd 05/19/2019 (Sun) 19:19:28 [Preview] No.26243 del
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>anime is asian tradition

yeah pantsu shots are so traditional LULZ!


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 02:37:33 [Preview] No.26246 del
>>26243
Yes hentai and anime is connected ancient true east asisn culture as I explain here
>>26183
>>26181


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 10:45:30 [Preview] No.26249 del
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Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 11:48:47 [Preview] No.26252 del
>>26246
https://youtube.com/watch?v=stbLP-57GzM [Embed]


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 15:17:56 [Preview] No.26256 del
>>26212
>>26213
>>26232
>>26233
>>26234
>>26240
Will read these economical stuff, you posted. And probably will look some up on the topic.


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 18:51:01 [Preview] No.26268 del
>>26246
No offense, but this is pretty degenerate OP.

Also, isn't anime and otaku culture looked down upon in Japan? (At least by adults I mean)


Bernd 05/20/2019 (Mon) 22:00:05 [Preview] No.26273 del
>>26268
Perhaps by the really old people. Remember that one Japanese soldier who kept fighting for 40 years and when he came back, realised how degenerate Japan got?


Bernd 05/21/2019 (Tue) 00:37:13 [Preview] No.26276 del
>>26268
But have you heard of the shirikodama?


Bernd 05/21/2019 (Tue) 05:08:51 [Preview] No.26278 del
>>26273
>when he came back, realised how degenerate Japan got?
I've never heard this part. Even tho I made some "research" on the units fighting overtime (there was more than one, but only one fought that long you mentioned).


Bernd 05/21/2019 (Tue) 08:14:32 [Preview] No.26282 del
>>26273
after ww2 the japanese goverment changed its mentality from militaristic to consumerist/anime/polite/western. thats why anime has been so pushed, its a tool to neuter people. just like porn or alkohol.

goverments always do this.


Bernd 05/21/2019 (Tue) 19:05:41 [Preview] No.26299 del
>>26282
That switch was kinda mandatory for them. Just like our conversion to communism.


Bernd 05/21/2019 (Tue) 19:40:56 [Preview] No.26305 del


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:43:04 [Preview] No.26525 del
Are you still there OP?


Bernd 05/24/2019 (Fri) 17:52:02 [Preview] No.26527 del
>>26525
last time we heard from him he was opening a sake bottle celebrating the demise of korea


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 05:16:47 [Preview] No.26548 del
>>26527
>>26525
I’m back
Sorry for late because so busy.

Everyone look at all this.
Korean stock price is hell down and down now.
If you want to take advantage of this situation
pls wait until 2000 line came.
Korean gorvenment Will put money and protect that 2000 line.
They are even useing money for national pension of korean of the future to protect that line.
Do you know what I mean.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 06:09:21 [Preview] No.26549 del
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>>26548
They're gonna crash any minute nao.


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 08:33:16 [Preview] No.26556 del
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>>26549
any day...


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 11:30:39 [Preview] No.26587 del
>>26556
>>26549
LOL
Anyway Stay good goy

Second pic is korean won and USA doller Bytheway


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 16:15:06 [Preview] No.26622 del
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>>26548
I'm getting the impression from this thread that Asian countries hate each other more than Euro countries do. lol
Or it could just be us ranting about ourselves inside imageboards. Hard to tell



Anyway OP, do you have any info on the Japanese bubble from the 90s?

Any personal experience from you or anyone you know of how it was like living in that era?


Bernd 05/25/2019 (Sat) 16:36:31 [Preview] No.26625 del
>>26622
it's just east asia in this case


Bernd 05/26/2019 (Sun) 09:00:48 [Preview] No.26649 del
>>26622
That bubble things is easy.

There is 4 type of things.
Stage 0 hegemony. Now it’s USA and Russia and China is trying to be.
Stage 1 developed first world
Stage 2 developing nation who trying to be first world
Stage 3 third world (for now, oil nigger put in this category eveb they are rich)

Stage 1 is living by selling real high teacnology and guaranteed high quality prodacts based on industrial teacnology or car and so on. This needs "real world leading high teacnology" And also living by the financial money game.

Stage 1 is as like Europ, typically Germany and japan. Also USA,Canada and so on.

Stage 2 is doing mass production of house hold machine and so on which is buying the methods and teacnology from the first world and doing that job. Those teacnology is actually not required real high teacnology but it require the civilian man power which is not lazy mind people .
This stage 2 needs cheep and large scale man power in factory and it must increases the population every year.
And this stage 2 will get a lot of teacnology support from first world OR copy from first world and develop the quality of life rapidly.
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At 1960 to 2010 it was japan
At 2010 to 2015 it was South Korea
At 2015 to now it’s china
I bet at future south east Asia and India will be this stage.
And at the end ,Africa will be this stage.(may be)
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This will make somewhat bubble economy on them.
But gradually quality of the life of the people will increase like first world level and that strategy of the business can not be applicable and other new "developing nation" will copy everything and END of this stage.

But if the nation of the stage 2 has real high teacnology fundamentals of the resurch and could contribute the human society ,also do not against USA then it will be stage 1 first world .
But if it’s failed then go back to stage 3 third world.
For example Argentina and Venezuela, partly could be say Russia too.

Japan is doing some tactics and shift to be first world already pls read here>>25797
>>25780
>>25779
>>25777
>>25776
>>25775
>>25774
>>25771
>>25769
>>25768
This is nothing but a japan is first world.

The problem is South Korea could be stay and develop to the first world but or not by in front of the rise of the Chinese business.
Pls read this>>25769
>>25777
>>25776
>>25775



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