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Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 19:04:51 [Preview] No. 22642
What type of phone do you have bernd.

Me: note 9


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 19:17:18 [Preview] No.22659 del
I can call Trump anytime I want.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:09:24 [Preview] No.22709 del
I've had rare Finnish meme phone with autistic l*nux inside for 4 years, but few days ago it's died completely.

Very disappointing.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 06:24:52 [Preview] No.22726 del
>>22709
How open source phones fair nowadays?


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 09:47:00 [Preview] No.22729 del
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>>22726

It isn't really open source actually (it is Jolla, not N9 from Nokia). There are closed parts, including some apps and part of UI, but it doesn't matter anyway. For example, browser is open source, yet no one still really did any code, except Jolla devs.

As phone it was pretty usable, I've used it daily. It has android compar layer, so many apps work (many don't though, because it is 4.1). Native apps are ok, but there aren't many of them, and some of them suck (like native default email and jabber clients).

Companies and services of course wouldn't make own apps for small unknown platform. GUI is pretty and usable, it is very swipe-centered, overall OS is pretty fast on slow hardware (faster than android of course). Apps are made with Qt (C++ or Python) + QML. Internals are plain linux, i.e. rpm, systemd, wayland, just average modern linux distro. Few features I've missing at android now (bought some cheap chinese thing for emergency reasons), although technically android is much more polished and usable for average user.

Sadly, internal partition died on upgrade, looks like it is just age, device isn't even could be flashed anymore.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 13:59:44 [Preview] No.22731 del
Just some old chink shit, I only use it for the alarm clock anyway.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 20:00:16 [Preview] No.22749 del
Smart phones made mp3 players obsolete but big tech doesn't care about throttling it somehow yet because keins stream everything on an app anyways.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 20:10:24 [Preview] No.22751 del
>>22729
For me one selling point of a smart phone would be good privacy. By default the usual brands are basically "tapware", so I don't want them - not really need them either. But the open source phones might offer some solution.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 20:20:39 [Preview] No.22752 del
I have a dedicated desk drawer where I dump the ones women and relatives buy for me when they learn I don't have one
from old or second-hand ones to brand new tablet-like monstrosities
the only one I sometimes use is a very old one with a hardware keyboard, no network connectivity whatsoever (apart from usb, technically), just a terminal emulator and an epub reader

>>22749
man, it drives me mad to see people download 89832401324 times the same fucking jewtube video to listen to some barf-tire pseudomusic


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 20:28:54 [Preview] No.22753 del
>>22752
Never get the drive to experiment circumventing the gps (if it's a separate chip and not integrated into any other vital ones) on one of those unused ones and see if it works?


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 21:06:30 [Preview] No.22757 del
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>>22749
>people unironically pay to stream 160kbps music via Spotify


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 07:44:22 [Preview] No.22766 del
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>>22751
>For me one selling point of a smart phone would be good privacy. By default the usual brands are basically "tapware", so I don't want them - not really need them either. But the open source phones might offer some solution.

Yes, that is one reason to use something open source and uncommon. Although using those common data-stealing services will broke your privacy anyway, maybe just less. I mean, it matters that your phone doesn't track you every second by default, but when you installing skype/whatsapp/telegram/whatever and use google/yandex/etc it matters less. And this shit is often required for everyday usage nowadays.

Considering open source phones and such, I think there are still no really truly user-friendly non-android devices on market right, only toys for autistic linux users. Maybe that Jolla is the closest thing for average person, but it has multiple flaws (some of them are problems may be fixed by community though, it is just too small) and not really open. Although it still worth a try if you are ok with hardships of linux enthusiast and not using all those services much.


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 18:10:42 [Preview] No.22775 del
>>22642
I looked up what's "note 9" is and found this:
https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9
So my question: did you start the thread as a bragging?

>>22766
>Jolla
Hmm. Interesting. Thx for the info.


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 22:07:44 [Preview] No.22787 del
I despise smartphones, everything from limited capabilities to phone "games" to apps encapsulates what's wrong with mass Internet access.
But it's also nearly impossible to live without one, not just because of direct calls but also due to WhatsApp, which, believe it or not, seems to be the most critical channel of communication -even professional- here. So I own a Motorola.


Bernd 01/26/2019 (Sat) 08:01:17 [Preview] No.22793 del
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>>22787
>Critically important whatsapp shitdomain and shitriver of app crap


Bernd 01/26/2019 (Sat) 14:35:31 [Preview] No.22799 del
>>22793
It's not my fault everyone uses it for critical communications.


Bernd 02/17/2019 (Sun) 19:49:03 [Preview] No.23309 del
What about the Librem 5? When the company finally gets it shit together you should be able to run the linux distro by your liking. The company makes high promises about it valuing the privacy of its customers and they want a shitload of money for outdated stats, so I guess they won't need to sale one's data on top. They are from Cali though and therefor fall under patriot act and similar shit.

BTW
Are there any boards left worth visiting? Deutsch/pol/ gone to shit and 8ch drifts back in the cesspit it never really crawled up. I won't go on discord nor GAP. I would rather join a tox group or shit.


Bernd 02/18/2019 (Mon) 17:24:20 [Preview] No.23324 del
>>23309
>Librem 5
>You can preorder the phone at early-bird pricing ($599) until January 31st 2019 or $649 until shipping begins and regular pricing comes into effect. Kits with an external monitor, keyboard and mouse, are also available for preorder.
Uh. I'm not familiar with smart phone prices but it's expensive to me. Maybe after a while it will go down. If I was a first worlder I might consider it, privacy would worth that much. But then I'd had to find more extensive use of it.


Bernd 02/18/2019 (Mon) 18:02:04 [Preview] No.23325 del
>>23309
>Are there any boards left worth visiting?
I toyed with the idea of making a chan/board review thread. Simply: lurk a board on whatever chan for a while then write about the experience, and rate it too. I can't really do it, I'm still mired down by the Icebreaker (I think I'll be ready this week), and I started/continued some irl stuff that whittling away my free time - not to mention the solar cooker is also still waiting for me here. But if you guys have anything to share and can be bothered to write it feel free to do it.


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 00:19:44 [Preview] No.23327 del
>>23325
I might start it myself with brief and sometimes more in-depth descriptions of 8jim boards. They tipically fit into 5 categories:

A) Massive boards
B) Porn boards
C) Dead boards
D) Opaque boards in which all discussion (mostly small talk) happens in generic threads that last for hundreds of posts, with none of the usual thread organization. In some cases all posters are namefags.
E) "Normal" boards about some very specific theme. Sometimes surprisingly healthy.

Excluding A, B and C still leaves dozens of boards to explore. D is hard to make sense of but E has a lot of potential.


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 06:54:50 [Preview] No.23328 del
>>23327
That sounds awesome. I feel inspired also chip in soon, I would ask you to launch the "project".


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 10:01:20 [Preview] No.23330 del
>>23309
I have known of the Librem for a year or so and there is one concern I have about it. For encrypted communications Librem will use Matrix (see note) and XMPP, and it will support regular phone calls and sms messages too. The Librem will only support encrypted phone calls and messages with other Librem phones or with people that use Matrix or XMPP. I don't have a phone but I think that (from what I've seen) people have mostly switched from phone calls and sms messages to app based communication like WhatsApp, Telegram, Messenger, Slack, et cetera. So using the Librem you may have to convince others to switch to Matrix if you want encrypted communication (it helps that there is an app for ios and android: riot). Matrix also supports bridges which would allow your Matrix client to use Telegram, Slack, WhatsApp, Discord, IRC, XMPP, and Gitter (never heard of that one); I don't think it is ideal to use any of those other than maybe the IRC bridge though (XMPP is supported in Librem's messaging app). Beside the communication inconviences, Librem still has a major appeal being your phone won't be tracking and storing your information in deceptive ways. The hardware kill-switches are a good idea as well to truly make sure your phone isn't spying on you. I still don't see myself getting a phone, but this doesn't seem to be a bad option if you can afford it.

Note: The native matrix client for PureOS (Librem's OS) is Fractal which currently does not support encryption. They plan on finishing encryption support to Fractal, but while they work on that they added XMPP so that the phone will support encryption from day one of release.


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 16:36:54 [Preview] No.23336 del
>>23330
It still is pretty ridiculous since almost all devices for communication are botnet. I feel like a hypocrite talking and pretending to care about privacy while having to use Whatsapp for comunication and used discord once.


Bernd 02/19/2019 (Tue) 17:00:57 [Preview] No.23337 del
>>23330
>convince others to switch to Matrix
This type of thing is really hard. Even with close friends and family. If almost all the people they communicate with are elsewhere then they won't budge.

I think governments should also support alternative ways of communication, propagate free as in liberty, open source, encrypted, secure stuff which is disconnected from the Google-Facebook spy network.
Why? Because government employees who deal with private, confidential and secret information are also the users of said companies services and many cases they send/move or host such information with the help of these services. Ofc I'm pretty sure whatever secrets the Hungarian govt. has the CIA, NSA, FSB and Mossad, whoever also knows it - some surely shared by default - but still it would be nice not to make anyone's job easier, especially not such corporations'. And also, if the data isn't even private, they still don't need to know about it.
Main problem is that govt. employees and public servants are pretty much IT illiterates.


Bernd 02/20/2019 (Wed) 08:51:07 [Preview] No.23343 del
>>23337
Definitely. My blood boils when I hear "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!" It is a two part problem: the first being why privacy matters, the next being why privacy matters more than convenience... Too often someone will agree and makes changes for the better of their privacy then within a week or so undo all of those changes.

France does that to some extent. The French government requires all internet searches to be made using the Qwant search engine. And the French government is creating their own instant messaging tool that will be based on Matrix and Riot. These are (and will be) only required for use in the government, but it has encouraged citizens to look at alternatives (Qwant is now the 57th most visited site in France).


Bernd 02/23/2019 (Sat) 22:08:04 [Preview] No.23420 del
>>23343
>"if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear!"
An security eggsbert said during his lecture that when his acquaintances says: "I have nothing to hide" he replies: "then you wouldn't mind giving me the usernames and passwords of all your social media accounts and emails, I won't do anything particular just look around and if I find something worth publishing I'll do it". This usually makes them quiet.


Bernd 02/23/2019 (Sat) 22:22:17 [Preview] No.23421 del
Our government employees use Line. They used to want to promote a nationalist product: JUIKER. But no one talks about it at all.
I think we are locked in to the Line.


Bernd 02/23/2019 (Sat) 22:31:50 [Preview] No.23422 del
>>23421
What a pleasant surprise!
I assume you are our regular useless Taiwanese news Taiwanese Bernd. If you wish you can make another such thread since previous is autosaged. Or just use the simple news thread, all news is useless there anyway.


Bernd 02/24/2019 (Sun) 20:11:19 [Preview] No.23438 del
No phone is the only right answer


Bernd 02/25/2019 (Mon) 03:59:01 [Preview] No.23442 del
>>23420
Well, at least it's not WeChat


Bernd 02/25/2019 (Mon) 04:03:26 [Preview] No.23443 del
LG G5 (EU UK import, unlocked bootloader)

The only pressure to upgrade right now is app support exclusive to Android Oreo or Pie. Otherwise, my phone has survived around the world, and I've performed hardware replacements on it without issue.


Bernd 02/25/2019 (Mon) 07:29:08 [Preview] No.23445 del
Bought cheap chinese temporary replacement for my dead jolla (>>22709 >>22729) in late January.

Pure noname, "local" brand (i.e. Russian company that does nothing except branding chinese phones). Android 7, 1gb ram, 8gb disk, 4G, some average mediatek chip (thanks g-d it is flashes easily from l*nux), 50$ (!). Surprisingly, it is ok for everyday usage, not even too slow, although such amount of ram forces apps to stop often.

Camera and screen are completely shit though, but whatever.


Bernd 02/25/2019 (Mon) 16:35:19 [Preview] No.23447 del
>>23445
>Camera and screen are completely shit though, but whatever.
What's the problem with them?


Bernd 02/25/2019 (Mon) 20:57:56 [Preview] No.23453 del
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>>23447

Screen colors become messy at even small angles. It isn't even IPS, just TN matrix.

Camera just makes pretty bad photos.

But overall I'm ok with it, I don't care much about screen and I'm not a avid photographer, so whatever, it works and it is 50$. I guess I'll use it for some time.


Bernd 02/27/2019 (Wed) 19:20:41 [Preview] No.23465 del
>>23453
Frankly only matters that it's work for you.
I would look five things in a phone:
- Display time.
- Making calls.
- Sending SMSs. I'm this oldschool, yeah.
- Taking photos.
- Making videos.


Bernd 02/27/2019 (Wed) 19:29:22 [Preview] No.23466 del
I'm just glad I wasn't brainwashed into the smartphone mindset.


Bernd 02/27/2019 (Wed) 19:33:41 [Preview] No.23467 del
>>23466
That is good indeed.


Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 19:15:04 [Preview] No.23497 del
>>22753
>circumventing the gps
do you mean physically disabling it? i never tried that but I'm pretty sure it's part of the main soc so no chance
what i did do is delete a bunch files which were part of the original system (and later also from the cyanogenmod replacement) which were apparently configuration and/or firmware blobs for various chips (or functional units in the same physical chip)
i used to simply keep android configuration for the gps and other stuff disabled but since i deleted those files things started to break: trying to enable gps in android causes some 'manager' process to crash, similar with bluetooth with an error message appearing every time the system starts, also noticed the camera application crashes if i try to enable the motion compensation feature
i'm pretty sure i deleted some wifi related files too but that still works when enabled, maybe just slower

seems like a good sign at least


Bernd 03/01/2019 (Fri) 06:11:52 [Preview] No.23499 del
>>23497
>do you mean physically disabling it?
Yes. Liek when one wanted to play pirate backup copies of games on PS then a chip had to be circumvented by soldering the "leg" pairs together.



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