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language thread Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 20:25:31 [Preview] No. 22574
Are you currently trying to learn a new language?

I want to improve my english and learn russian at the same time.

https://alinkrusca.com/

site related, it's learn russian for Türks, plus there is a few things to learn about russia and soviets.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 21:51:29 [Preview] No.22577 del
Always some dormant plans, liek refreshing my German, learning Spanish and/or Russian. But no, I'm not doing anything.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 10:23:48 [Preview] No.22582 del
>>22577
>>22577
I only know a1 tier german, feels bad.

And russia is really hard, too much thing to memorize, our language is not easy either but atleast it's very regular, once you learn the rules you basically decrypt entire language. Why was I born in times where I have to learn russian not vice versa? fuck this.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 15:11:29 [Preview] No.22588 del
speaking of languages, english seems like a very poor language.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 16:41:27 [Preview] No.22591 del
>>22582
Frankly I would rather learn an indo- language than another agglutinative, these look hard as fugg. But maybe if I tried it would be easy. I dunno.
Hüva payva. Hauska tutustua. Voi vittu.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 16:46:03 [Preview] No.22592 del
>>22574
Why Russian btw?
I'm considering because there's a chance it could come in handy, never can know when political situation changes. Also it might help with other Slavic languages, not learn, but make them more familiar since from all the indo- languages those sound the most strange to me. For this reason many years ago also considered Croatian.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 17:07:01 [Preview] No.22599 del
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Still pluggin away.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 17:24:59 [Preview] No.22600 del
Learning Latvian and slowly trying to get Japanese.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 17:27:43 [Preview] No.22601 del
>>22600
Here I'm learning Latvian and slowly trying to get Japanese.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 17:30:21 [Preview] No.22603 del
>>22601
Where are you from so you need to learn Latvian?


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 17:39:34 [Preview] No.22605 del
>>22600
is that anki? I've never seen a stats breakdown like that on there.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 18:45:18 [Preview] No.22618 del
>>22603
From Russia of course.

>>22605
Yep, Anki.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 19:14:07 [Preview] No.22657 del
>>22618
You use proxies or you border hopping?


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 21:02:06 [Preview] No.22672 del
>>22657
Returned home from work, different ISP.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 21:06:08 [Preview] No.22673 del
>>22618
I didn't know anki can do this. I never bothered to check the stats tab.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 21:34:40 [Preview] No.22674 del
>>22672
I thought you're preparing to liberate the Baltics again.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 11:30:12 [Preview] No.22680 del
>>22591
>Frankly I would rather learn an indo- language than another agglutinative
Well unless you are Türkboo there is no practical reason, same thing also applies for me.

>Why Russian btw?
I like their culture more than typical wectern culture also it's not so unfamiliar.I have same smypath for ukraine if not more.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 14:44:55 [Preview] No.22681 del
>>22574
Came here to get a better grasp of German th


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 17:03:58 [Preview] No.22685 del
>>22681
Gute Idee...


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 18:16:05 [Preview] No.22690 del
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my russkiy teacherfu has bestest accent.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=587ek-g0fCg [Embed]


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 18:28:04 [Preview] No.22691 del
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>>22690

Russian language has pretty easy pronunciation rules. You can literally read word by letters and everyone will understand you (although you would be look very funny). There are some hidden things like o -> a, but everyone will understand you even if you don't use this.

I guess it is better to start learning from text/grammar, because then it will be much easier to speak, compared to English, where sound is much more different than text. Learning from audio is harder than text, so you may skip audio part until your writing skill will be good enough.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 18:28:30 [Preview] No.22692 del
>>22690
>Albina
Her name is Whitey?


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 18:30:43 [Preview] No.22693 del
>>22692
>Her name is Whitey?
das right, swarthy imre.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 18:32:53 [Preview] No.22695 del
>>22692
>>22691
spasiba for tips. by the way the way she speaks, she has heavy russian accent it both sounds nice and sometimes sounds funny in a bad way. though kudos for her for learning our hard language.


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Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 18:59:30 [Preview] No.22697 del
>>22690
That loud music cut into the transitions is awful.

No good Russian lessons for Hungarians on 'tube.
The first hit when I search:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ofm3W2lqj1k [Embed]
The whole thing gives the impression that it was recorded with speech synthesizer. But then some dude (most likely the author of the video) reads the Hungarian words, with acceptable intonation at least.
From a woman's channel:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mmSdSo698qI [Embed]
She has godawful intonation.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 19:39:39 [Preview] No.22698 del
>>22691
that picture is very funny. I saw the words first the way the thumbnail zoomed in but when I got to the third word I said to myself hold on a second.
Had myself quite the laugh.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 19:56:17 [Preview] No.22699 del
>>22697
>>22697
>That loud music cut into the transitions is awful.
that was the best thing in that video.

>>22698
lul


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 20:17:59 [Preview] No.22702 del
>>22699
I dunno. That was the only thing I understood from that video.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 20:51:50 [Preview] No.22707 del
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>>22692
>Albina

Albina isn't rare name, but it is more prevalent in Turkic regions here. I guess she may be Tatar or related. That also may explain why she learned Turkish, it is much easier for her.

>>22695

Turkey is very popular tourist destination, and also business partner (in construction, for example), so there is nothing strange that someone form Russia learns Turkish language.

Here is the random photo that I've took near my work in past.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:07:44 [Preview] No.22708 del
>>22707
>. I guess she may be Tatar or related
she is atleast half ukranian.

> so there is nothing strange that someone form Russia learns Turkish language.
didnt imply that.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4JJx3V837Hs [Embed]

by the way, the things she say in video, how viable are they?


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:09:49 [Preview] No.22710 del
>>22707
by the way do russians have acronym(?) for foreign names? like yekaterina being katya or tatyana being tanya. if exist, what would mehmet's acronym?


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:28:07 [Preview] No.22711 del
>>22708
>How to learn Russian?
Cyka, blyad!
Blyad or blyat, btw?


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:31:48 [Preview] No.22712 del
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>>22708
>by the way, the things she say in video, how viable are they?

She thinks that learning phrases is better than learning words, I guess she is right. I couldn't remember how I started to learn English (the only foreign language that I somewhat know), but maybe like this. Learning just words doesn't help. I don't know if learning only phrases helps though, maybe it is also related to your native language. Russian declension/case system isn't easy, so native speakers of English, for example, may struggle with this because it is mostly unknown concept to them.

>>22710
>by the way do russians have acronym(?) for foreign names? like yekaterina being katya or tatyana being tanya. if exist, what would mehmet's acronym?

There are no common diminutive names for foreign names that aren't common here. I guess in informal speech Russian will ask you if your name have short form when your name is long or hard to pronounce. Mehmet doesn't sound hard, and it isn't common here at all (only in history books), so I don't know.

We have plenty of Mohammed-related names though in Caucasian nations, more common, like Magomet/Magomed, Ahmed, Ahmad etc. Magomet is shortened to Maga, but this has very Dagestan/Chechen flavour.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:38:29 [Preview] No.22713 del
>>22710
Diminutive?
Basically a shortened pet name. We also do the that, e.g. Péter -> Peti, Petya; István (Stephen) -> Pista, Pisti
Indos- however do that on a whole different level, they can diminunate(?) just about everything. Russians even can glue -ka -ke at the end of all their words. Would be fun.
But indos- making new words with that and I find it very endearing. Staying at Russina: voda (water) -> vodka (little water). But in Spanish: guerra (war) -> guerrilla (little war), French: hache (axe) -> hachette (little axe), etc etc.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:41:21 [Preview] No.22714 del
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>>22711
>Blyad or blyat, btw?

Technically official word is "blyad" (блядь) - whore. Form "blyat" (блять) is pretty often used in informal speech, it mostly indicates exclamation, not "whore" as person/object. I.e. when you want to call someone a whore literally, use blyad, when you use exclamation or just swearing about something bad, you may use both forms.

"Blyad" sometimes even used in literature, "blyat" is purely modern internet-related thing.


cont. Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:41:55 [Preview] No.22715 del
>>22713
Oh and they are like all serious business. In Hungarian I can call a balta (axe) baltácska (little axe), and we do sometimes but only for humor. So this angle gives me the amusement in their word creating habits. And they have zero idea.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:43:33 [Preview] No.22716 del
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>>22711
>>22711
first one is very american pic, second is kinda generic.

> I guess in informal speech Russian will ask you if your name have short form when your name is long or hard to pronounce.
is this because just hard to pronounce or long version of name sounds too formal? thanks for answering.

>>22713
yeah diminutive, we commonly use -cık, -cik though in everyday situations we dont use it.

for example, kedi(cat) would be kedicik, mehmet would be mehmetcik you get the idea.

I dont know many magyar names, but I'm sure we could add -cık/-cik your name just fine though it'd take time for people get used to it.

> balta (axe)
my turanian brodha :DDDD


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:47:32 [Preview] No.22717 del
>>22716
>-cık, -cik
We also use -cske, -cska.
Petra -> Petrácska
Imre -> Imrécske

>sunflower
We call it "turntothesun".


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 21:59:46 [Preview] No.22718 del
>>22713
> Russians even can glue -ka -ke at the end of all their words. Would be fun.

There are even more "little" forms, like -ek, -enk/-echk, -ul etc.

Voda -> vodka -> vodochka (voda->vodka is wrong usage though, they are different words). Or kartofel (potato) -> karthoska -> karthoshechka.

Sometimes word has no "big" form but only "little", but it is rare. Also sometimes some words, especially foreign, have that suffixes from start, so they feel "little" and funny.

>>22716
>yeah diminutive, we commonly use -cık, -cik

Hmm, yes, it also can be used in Russian, but it is slightly different than short form of names (although related).

There are "common" short forms, like Alexander -> Sasha, or Vladimir -> Volodya -> Vova, Nadezhda -> Nadya. That form doesn't imply any real softness, i.e. you can call Vladimir as Volodya almost in every setting, except in very official.

There is also a that "small" form as I wrote before, when you "soften" or "belittle" the word. This is more versatile thing, Mehmet can be called Mehmetik (best soft form I guess, but sounds as "small Mehmet"), Mehmetenka (already sounds fun because that suffix is good only for Slavic names), Mehmetochka etc, but that usage is very informal. Maybe in family relationship it could be used often, but not in common speech.


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 22:09:37 [Preview] No.22720 del
>>22718
>(voda->vodka is wrong usage though, they are different words)
That's what I meant when you guys don't see fun in it. I bet a Spanish would say the same about guerra and guerrilla.
But I can imagine: men knew water long time ago but didn't know spirits until fairly recently. Then they figured out how to distill some from grain or potato or rugs. Then they sit there drank and contemplated how they should call that water clear fluid that is so dear to their hearts. Then, haha...


Bernd 01/23/2019 (Wed) 22:21:31 [Preview] No.22721 del
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>>22718
>Vladimir -> Volodya
I thought it was vanya but whatever.

>This is more versatile thing, Mehmet can be called Mehmetik (best soft form I guess, but sounds as "small Mehmet"), Mehmetenka (already sounds fun because that suffix is good only for Slavic names), Mehmetochka etc, but that usage is very informal. Maybe in family relationship it could be used often, but not in common speech.
I would atleast some shit like meyushka exist or misha but I guess we'll have it in future thanks to kadyrov :DDD nod really

Our dimunitive is usually only for referring children or showing affection to something little or outright belitteing, mocking.

>>22717
why e becomes fancy e? how do we read it again?


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 06:55:08 [Preview] No.22727 del
>>22721
>why e becomes fancy e?
In that case the last vowel becomes elongated. Might be because -cska, -cske also can be -acska, -ecske. When a word ends with consonant a vowel needs to be added in between since there are too many consonants already.
However I think if a name ends with consonant we would just add -ka, -ke:
Adél -> Adélka/Adélke (for me the previous sounds better, but I think the latter is right too, this comes from the problem that Adél doesn't have vowel harmony)
I tried to think of other names with other vowels at the end, but couldn't think of any, so I checked and I don't believe we have names ending with: o, u and ü; only with i, but even those - while they can be registered they are also a form a diminutive.
E.g. Cili (from Cecilia I think) -> Cilikécske
So it gets not just a -cske, but -kécske, since the correct order would be:
Cili -> Cilike (this is already diminutive) -> Cilikécske.
Cilicske sounds weird.
Why not Cilícske? That would be the logical no? Beats me.
But back to Adél. If I would really want to glue -cska/-cske at the end, I would do:
Adélocska
Some might give you better explanations. I can't. I'm sure we learnt about this in primary- and high-school but don't think we went into the question "why?".

>how do we read it again?
Like the 'a' in bay. Okay?


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 19:08:02 [Preview] No.22746 del
>>22727
>>22727
I understand.

> When a word ends with consonant a vowel needs to be added in between since there are too many consonants already.
we have the same rules, we also have this as reverse, like instead of consonant, vowels.

for example to say towards the wall on Turkish we say 'duvara' duvar being wall -a meaning towards in here.

but we cant say he same about kapı(door) for example I need to say kapı+ya not kapı+a it would sound wrong. we add -y -n -s -ş so they sound more harmonical.


Bernd 01/24/2019 (Thu) 20:47:52 [Preview] No.22755 del
>>22746
Yeah we also avoid having two vowels next to each other. I think both rule are bent on rare occasions (not counting long consonants) but grammar always has exceptions.


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 20:11:46 [Preview] No.22781 del
How about programming languages? From what I seen on KC main about this, many people have some hard views on it.
What I concluded is this:
>C
Granddaddy and basis of all.
>Python
Easy to learn has uses on many fields. The bread and butter of bydlocoder.
>JavaScript
Only good for web stuff but it'll drive you crazy.
>Everything else
Piss and Shit.
>Exceptions
For elitists.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 18:34:30 [Preview] No.22843 del
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Can any russian translate this?


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 19:01:21 [Preview] No.22846 del
>>22843
Now I would like to know it too. Tried to translate I see some circular logic in there. It's either makes fun of liberal Russians, or it does that meanwhile make fun of those too who make fun of liberal Russians.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 19:04:21 [Preview] No.22847 del
>>22846
yeah, liberaşka is the only word I could recognize on it.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 19:14:31 [Preview] No.22848 del
>>22847
I typed it into gugli translate, while I did that I recognized the words putinskaya and propaganda beside liberashka. But yeah that was kinda striking.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 19:22:41 [Preview] No.22849 del
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>>22843

1st line: look Liberashka (little-liberal, pejorative), it is house made of wood at the West in remote place (actually "at waste land", some empty place far from civilization).

2nd: But I don't believe you it is Putin's propaganda, cries liberoid (another specific form of word "liberal").

I don't get the context though, even after googling that site, so I couldn't easily say is it sarcasm or author don't joke. It is also written pretty badly. Maybe something about discussion like "westerners don't build wooden houses, while Russians still do it" (but I couldn't remember any noticeable internet discussion about this, maybe related to fires or so).

I also wouldn't recommend to browse that or any related site because it is some form of cancer.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 19:30:31 [Preview] No.22850 del
>>22849
>>22848
conclusion, this is 159 IQ KGB propoganda and we petty wecterns cant undersand it.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 19:56:37 [Preview] No.22851 del
>>22850
The Dutch is our Russian tho.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:04:02 [Preview] No.22852 del
>>22849
well I dont browse that site since my russian is privyet I'm putin and adidas tier.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:13:38 [Preview] No.22854 del
>>22852
zdrásztutyi! szágyítyesz


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:21:35 [Preview] No.22855 del
>>22854
wat ta fuck


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:33:35 [Preview] No.22857 del
>>22855
Zdravstvuyte! sadit'sya
The latter one is a word that every Hungarian student knew. Learning Russian back in the "damned" the 40 years of state-socialism was mandatory. A typical class started with a report to the teacher - usually about who is missing - in Russian class it was in Russian ofc this was also a thing they had to learn, sometimes I hear it from older acquaintances, relatives. Then the teacher thanked and told the class to sit down.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 20:52:50 [Preview] No.22858 del
>>22857
ah, we just have english teachers with cringy accents.

I was regularly getting bad grades because I wasnt being so try hard.

guud morning klaas :DD
guud morning tiçır :DDDDDDD
how ar yu tudeeey xDDDDD
fayn tenks end yuuu xDDDDDDDD :DDDDD

oh dog, even vaguely remembering hurts my face.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 21:05:24 [Preview] No.22859 del
>>22857
>Zdravstvuyte! sadit'sya

It is sadites', not sadit'sya, but here >>22854 you wrote it right. Sadit'sya is "to sit", sadites' is "(you) sit down".


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 21:28:06 [Preview] No.22861 del
>>22859
I had to write it into google translator coz I wasn't sure how to write it in "English".

>>22850
Now that I'm thinking, I'm Eastern Euro, Central-Eastern at best, and you aren't even Euro...


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 21:32:40 [Preview] No.22863 del
>>22861
yeah that's the joke


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 21:38:33 [Preview] No.22864 del
>>22858
I had quite good English teachers with "proper" British-English pronounciation. But since we never ever talk in English in class, very few of us can pull a good English accent, we all have distinct Central-Euro (kinda German liek) and strong Hungarian accent (somewhat differs from the German)
She is a very good example how most Hungarian sound if tries to speak Hungarian:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dEaZGEmfo9A [Embed]
Oh god.
I've American accent thanks movies and tv-shows, also American bands, with slight Hungarian impression, which sometimes stronger, especially when I notice I made a mistake, try to correct it and fail ofc, then it turns into horrible Hungarian accent close to Morvai's for a few seconds.

>>22863
Yeah.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 21:54:09 [Preview] No.22866 del
>>22864
both the speech and accent gave me negative IQ.

here have this and we're even.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xr84WInwkdo [Embed]


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 21:58:53 [Preview] No.22867 del
>>22866
Strong e-s and k-s. But in general her accent is not good.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 22:01:27 [Preview] No.22868 del
>>22867
you mean yours or mine vid? I regonized in your vid she throws lots of wide e's around and in Turkish accent we really stress on 'g's especially at the end of the word.

you'll always hear the g, when we say doing, making etc.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 22:06:26 [Preview] No.22870 del
>>22868
Yours. But yeah, we also have that wide e-s.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 22:41:06 [Preview] No.22872 del
I don't think that any discussion about English accents may be continued without this video.


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 06:24:03 [Preview] No.22876 del
>>22872
Ölevön.


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 14:56:53 [Preview] No.22878 del
>>22864
Doesn't seem German at all.

>>22868
>you'll always hear the g
I've also seen that in low-intermediate speakers. It seems second-language English as a whole has some universal peculiarities in phonetics and word placement, such as an excessive use of "the". But I could be wrong.

My contribution to this topic:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=P-xasLCRaeU [Embed]


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 15:16:41 [Preview] No.22879 del
>>22878
dat microphone pff pffing ruined the man's speech though.


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 16:38:29 [Preview] No.22883 del
>>22878
>Doesn't seem German at all.
Interesting.
Both English and Germans speak with rhotacism, making r-s with the back of their tongues in the throat and not with the point of it as we do. Germans are also used to those ei/eu/au vowels which might make the pronunciation different when they say certain English words - conforming easier to the English' not so clear vowels. Otherwise they kinda speak the same as other Central Euros (Slavs and us).

>>22879
>Pffffffftwenpppfffffffffffty ppppfffffffffivpfffffffe


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 17:15:07 [Preview] No.22884 del
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>>22883
>Germans speak with rhotacism, making r-s with the back of their tongues in the throat and not with the point of it as we do
depends on the region and dialect, I roll the R with the point of the tongue, as the majority of the Swiss German and Bavarians do.


Bernd 01/28/2019 (Mon) 17:34:01 [Preview] No.22885 del
The journalists of the Index news portal made a video that they walked around Budapest and talked with random people in English, pretending to be tourists asking for information. They spoke breddy gud but still could be told they weren't Brits or Americans, but if I didn't know I couldn't have told they were Hungarians. I can't find that vid, but want to post it.

>>22884
Good to know.


Bernd 02/14/2019 (Thu) 22:03:14 [Preview] No.23210 del
I want to learn german, Are there benefits of reading literature and philosophy compared with its translations in english.


Bernd 02/15/2019 (Fri) 03:36:34 [Preview] No.23214 del
>>23210
I think with any language a translation won't quite be able to convey the intended meaning of the author. For subjects as philosophy and literature I would imagine (I'm monolingual) there is the benefit of being able to understand each subtlety that might have been missed or de-emphasized in a translation. There is also the advantage of being able to avoid biased translators.


Bernd 02/15/2019 (Fri) 16:28:47 [Preview] No.23244 del
>>23210
>I want to learn german.
Then learn.
>Are there benefits
Beside making your mind, soul and spirit richer? Maybe. He >>23214 is kinda right, tho you need to be very proficient at the language and familiar with the historical, societal, economical etc. background if it's philosophical, in case of literature not so much.



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