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Literature thread Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 14:28:10 [Preview] No. 22380
I think we had one of these long ago, before the ameriball slide.

I have been looking into ancient literature recently and have a list of two but was hoping Bernd could help bulk up my list:
Epic of Gilgamesh
Beowulf


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 15:12:20 [Preview] No.22382 del
Some ancient titles I have on my to-read list:
Augustine of Hippo - Confessions and City of God
Thucydides - History of the Peloponnesian War
Herodotus - Histories
Aristotle and Plato - haven't picked titles yet, not sure if other Greek philosophers are really worth to read
Josephus - Antiquities of the Jews
Sun Tzu - Art of War (actually I've read it already)
The list lack in roman literature but aside from Augustine I dont know who to pick.

Other than that last book I've read was Tanith First and Only by Dan Abnett. It's an action book set in warhammer 40k universe. Author is pretty cool and I'll be getting more books from the series.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 15:54:41 [Preview] No.22384 del
>>22382
>Tanakh
>All 3 books of Maccabees
>Talmud
>All medieval Kabbalistic teachings
>Communist Manifesto
>Diary of Anne Frank


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 16:10:48 [Preview] No.22385 del
I'm reading the Zhuangzi right now, it's breddy good. Like most of those old Chinese books I'd recommend an annotated version as the cultural references can become pretty vague at times.


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 16:35:05 [Preview] No.22387 del
>>22380
Finished Iliad some time ago and was reading Nibelungenlied recently but Icebreaker (by Suvorov) broke in, so I wish to finish that first. Frankly I find Nlied. tedious and the metric makes me go crazy. Would be fine with a poem few strophe long but Nlied. has over 2000. Iliad was also unnecessarily long but at least that had very, very nice depictions of combat (but mostly just personal heroics, but were other details of battles too).


Bernd 01/15/2019 (Tue) 21:23:33 [Preview] No.22423 del
I'm getting into Asimov's Foundation series right now. I love the big picture-centered worldbuilding with history composed of massive, impersonal processes and tendencies spanning centuries and millenia, and this is given great in-universe emphasis.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 06:36:46 [Preview] No.22435 del
>>22423
It's a classic.
My problem was that every book features new heroes basically dismissing previous ones just at the time I accustomed to them and became curious of their story, which made me less and less interested in the whole series. I would have favoured few main heroes from one time period who explore and discover the mystery of the Foundation.


Bernd 01/16/2019 (Wed) 11:28:53 [Preview] No.22438 del
>>22380
Lately I've read epic of manas, I can say it's much better than illiad.
Also I've read art of war quite while ago.

Right now I'm reading a book called rising sun victorious, it's a book about how could japan win ww2.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 06:46:40 [Preview] No.22458 del
>>22438
Are there other Central Asian epics?
Our national epic was written in the 19th century. Still didn't read, maybe only some lines in high school or in primary.

>>22380
Iliad were already mentioned, then there's Odyssey and the Aeneid.
The Nibelungenlied can be paired up with Edda.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 12:09:01 [Preview] No.22459 del
>>22458
The epic of manas is the longest epic in the world, there are people in kırgızistan that are memorizing it.

As for others we have ergenekon, türeyiş, yaradışış and many others, though I dont suggest just giving them a good glance, as on internet shills vandalizing lots of stuff. I dont make research or reads on internet unless I have to.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 17:59:19 [Preview] No.22466 del
>>22459
Is there any info when were those written and by whom?

Also this might interest you:
http://mek.oszk.hu/00500/00595/html/epics1.htm#3
A Hungarian epic about Buda and Attila (translated to English) by Arany János, a great writer and poet of ours.
There's another one by Zrínyi Miklós, titled: The Siege of Sziget or The Peril of Sziget, and about this siege:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Szigetv%C3%A1r


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 20:33:31 [Preview] No.22482 del
>>22466
It's unknown created by whom, it was memorized and it was documented by german türkologist radloff.

I'll read that.

As for siege of zigetvar, I find it very amusing those numbers, drafting 100.000 people both technologically and logistically was impossible for ottomans until early-mid 1800's, not to mention there is no way you can draft so high amount of people due to celali uprisings, considering bulk of army was ethnic Türks. But I digress, I read about it years ago it was nice, I can always show respect to people bravely defending their home, zrinski had a proper soldier's martrydom. Aftermath they also handled it well enough, there was no demonizing or blatantly forging history like balkanites often do.

Also it's mentioned briefly in our history books for highschoolers.


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 20:58:40 [Preview] No.22484 del
>>22459
>yaradışış
yaradılış*


Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 21:41:30 [Preview] No.22485 del
>>22482
Offtopic: a book of mine (a Hungarian military history book published in the '80s) says the army of the Sultan consisted 42-50 000 regulars and unknown number of irregulars whose number reached some ten thousands.


cont Bernd 01/17/2019 (Thu) 21:45:13 [Preview] No.22486 del
>>22485
Oh, it also says János Zsigmond (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sigismund_Z%C3%A1polya), the Vlah voivod, the Moldavian voivod and the Crimean Khan were ordered to send troops.


Bernd 01/18/2019 (Fri) 00:15:23 [Preview] No.22488 del
>>22466
I read half of it, my eyes getting tired, I'l' read rest of it tomorrow.

>>22486
most likely correct.


Bernd 01/18/2019 (Fri) 06:30:53 [Preview] No.22490 del
>>22488
No rush. :^)
You can find some notes in the end about some words, places and names. Might be inadequate to some extent.


Bernd 01/20/2019 (Sun) 17:22:22 [Preview] No.22533 del
Also added to my list.
Don Quixote
Dantes inferno
Cantebury tales

Great recommendations itt. Thanks.


Bernd 01/20/2019 (Sun) 17:34:55 [Preview] No.22537 del
>>22533
>Cantebury tales
Isn't those liek mandatory reading materials in high-school on the Small Island?


Bernd 01/20/2019 (Sun) 21:13:22 [Preview] No.22544 del
>>22537
Oh god, I wish. Literally, we studied a book about a retard and black poetry talking about the suffering of blacks. In history we never even learned about the British except to see how they owned slaves and basically raped india.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 14:17:48 [Preview] No.22558 del
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>>22544
>Literally, we studied a book about a retard and black poetry talking about the suffering of blacks. In history we never even learned about the British except to see how they owned slaves and basically raped india.
So it wasn't just my school? Fuck I hate this shit country.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 16:13:14 [Preview] No.22560 del
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>>22544
>>22558
Well you should have thought before enslaving others and raping India, perfidious Anglos.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 16:16:02 [Preview] No.22561 del
>>22544
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bcKKt8Lvcn4 [Embed]
Is this what they actually teach in England?


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 16:17:12 [Preview] No.22562 del
>>22544
>>22560
I wish we could learn more about industrial capacity of austro-hungary instead of learning about russian and british military campaigns in highschool.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 16:19:22 [Preview] No.22564 del


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 16:29:14 [Preview] No.22565 del
>>22561
Dawwwww
That's what I do in Tropico 4. Even the music is similar.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 17:02:30 [Preview] No.22567 del
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This is what a Hungarian student have to should read during his high-school years:

9th grade
Sophocles: Antigone
Homer: Iliad, Odyssey (only some parts)
Bible (some parts)
Dante: Divine Comedy (some parts) (btw I read The Dante Club by Matthew Pearl, not bad)
Cervantes: Don Quijote
Boccaccio: Decameron
Shakespeare: R&J or Hamlet, plus a comedy
Moliére: Tartuffe

10th grade
Voltaire: Candide
Goethe: Faust
Hoffmann: Der goldne Topf
Hugo: Notre-Dame de Paris
Pushkin: Onegin

11th grade
Stendhal: Le rouge et le noir
Balzac: Father Goriot
Flaubert: Madame Bovary
Gogol: The mantle
Dostoevsky: Crime and Punishment
Tostoy: The Death of Ivan Ilyich (tho as if Anna Karenina would be more familiar to me)
Ibsen: A Doll's House (again for me Peer Gynt sounds more familiar)
Chekov: The Seagull (or Uncle Vanya or Three Sisters)

12th grade
Mann: Tonio Kröger, Death in Venice
Kafka: Metamorphosis
Camus: The Myth of Sisyphus
Brecht: Mother Courage
Dürrenmatt: The Physicists

This list is from few years ago and there's some deviation in all schools. Beside what I note here's three other examples what can be on the list:
Rostand: Cyrano de Bergerac
Verne: In Search of the Castaways
Orwell: Animal Farm (we had to read this one)


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 17:07:47 [Preview] No.22568 del
>>22567
no wonder europeans are so civcucked
i read only two books in school (one voluntary)


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 17:14:03 [Preview] No.22569 del
>>22568
I preferred to read what I chose by my own will. Tho I read Crime and Punishment and that was nice.
From the list above I missed a lot, tho I read summaries to know what they are about (as most of my classmates did, there was a chance of strict questioning by the teacher), now I don't remember any.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 17:20:11 [Preview] No.22570 del
>>22567
Ofc, beside these we had to read bunch of Hungarian stuff too.


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 20:28:59 [Preview] No.22575 del
>>22570
like, how to make gulyas and renounce trianon?


Bernd 01/21/2019 (Mon) 21:50:13 [Preview] No.22576 del
>>22575
And throat-singing. And steppenigging.
Nah, it's the usual fiction literature like the list above. Epics and novels and such. Some on par with the foreign counterparts, some are even better.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 14:27:06 [Preview] No.22587 del
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>>22567
Damn, Hungarian school is kc tier as fuck.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 17:43:24 [Preview] No.22606 del
Here's my current list. "Literature" can mean a bunch of things. I'm going to take it by it's literal definition here, meaning any body of written works, historical or legend, like BO seemed to do here: >>22382
>Norse sagas in general
>Gesta Danorum
>Etymologiae (by Isidore of Seville)
>Shahnameh
>Tarikh iftitah Al-Andalus
Everything else that I haven't read has already been mentioned here by BO.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 18:28:29 [Preview] No.22611 del
>>22567
My high school only had us read postmodern garbage.


Bernd 01/22/2019 (Tue) 18:40:15 [Preview] No.22614 del
>>22606
Those sound nice. Read a couple of sagas, and planning more.

>>22587
Yeah the education was model "Prussian way". In the past decades some softening can be seen. Now they put emphasis on the understanding of stuff and not on the knowing data.

>>22611
Life is suffering on the decadent Scandinavia. I don't really understand how can they leave out everything that was part of the road which built our civilization.


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>>22560
>Gott strafe England!
>he's actually punching Scotland
Really makes you think


Bernd 01/25/2019 (Fri) 17:36:25 [Preview] No.22772 del
>>22665
Germany's other great enemy is France. France's oldest ally is Scotland. Striking both England and France at the same time means striking Scotland.


Bernd 01/26/2019 (Sat) 14:48:41 [Preview] No.22800 del
>>22772
Ruthless and uncompromising efficiency.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 03:29:47 [Preview] No.22822 del
>>22382
If you want to read Aristotle and Plato, start with Plato's Republic and Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 11:16:43 [Preview] No.22826 del
>>22822
Thanks Bernd.
Any recommendations on Cicero?


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 11:22:42 [Preview] No.22827 del
>>22826
Pronounce Cicero the Italian way.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 13:02:05 [Preview] No.22833 del
>>22829
Oh, you're from /ca/.
Welcome.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 14:44:03 [Preview] No.22834 del
>>22380
You can put on your list the Mahabharata, or at least the Bhagavad Gita.


Bernd 01/27/2019 (Sun) 16:21:52 [Preview] No.22837 del
>>22826
I think the best starting place for Cicero would be De Officiis (On Duties).


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 21:59:46 [Preview] No.22962 del
Here's a useful one. You can never know.


Bernd 02/01/2019 (Fri) 22:07:57 [Preview] No.22963 del
Hmm. Once there was a site by a Canadian fellow, he was some kind of a nuke war eggsbert, and his site was about this with hard data (e.g. expected fallout dispersion depending on wind, radiation levels and their effects on a human, radiation absorption in different materials etc.), and info what can be expected what to do what not etc. He published all that in a downloadable book too. I can't seem to find it, probably because many details now missing from my mind.


Bernd 02/02/2019 (Sat) 08:36:54 [Preview] No.22965 del
>>22963
I can't find this site. Here, Bernd, have instead an atlas used in secondary schools.


Bernd 02/02/2019 (Sat) 08:37:19 [Preview] No.22966 del
>>22965
History atlas.


Bernd 02/02/2019 (Sat) 10:32:02 [Preview] No.22968 del
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On this site >>22742 under the link of Economic History Books I found a title for me to widen my horizon about economics: Global Economic History: A Very Short Introduction by Robert Allan. It's on libgen.
Yes it's short and it does seem - for now - that all the info it shares was in our high school books as well. Nevertheless it's gonna be a good summary and refreshing.
When I finish it I chose Fesz van by Bartus László to move on. The topic is a Hungarian sect, the Hit Gyülekezete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_Church,_Hungary) with a focus on the leading preacher, Németh Sándor.
The author himself was a member of this church so he got his stuff from his own experience, but was not just a simple follower but was among the the inner circle of the most prominent members. In his civilian life he was an accomplished investigative journalist worked for several important newspapers.
This church isn't a sinister organization or something, I think the book is more about it's holier-then-thou attitude compared to how things really looked like behind the scenes, the dirt, the corruption, the pettiness, and the leading pastor's Pride, Greed and Anger. The book itself has a humorous, ironic intonation, great many years ago read a few pages and I had a few smiles here and there. I'm looking forward to it.


Bernd 02/02/2019 (Sat) 13:08:01 [Preview] No.22969 del
Reading kitab al-asnam, it's written two centuries after muhammed's exodus. It's about pre islamic arabia, so expect bias, but still it's a nice knowledge source.

https://answering-islam.org/Books/Al-Kalbi/


Bernd 02/02/2019 (Sat) 13:31:38 [Preview] No.22971 del
>>22969
>Yaghuth
>Ya'uq
>Yog-Shothoth



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