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Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 01:53:02 [Preview] No. 20631
>>>/operate/10084

It's time to suggest stuff for the annual christmas special, get to it.


Bernd 11/18/2018 (Sun) 06:01:49 [Preview] No.20632 del
Why not?
When the stream will start?


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 06:45:11 [Preview] No.20665 del
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Now that we have a Christmas thread...
What Christmas traditions Bernd's country has?
We have the usual, decorating a pine, spruce whatever, eating a dinner of fisherman's soup, stuffed cabbage, bejgli (pastry filled with walnut or poppy seed stuffing), watching the same Christmas themed movies over and over every year in telly, and giving presents on the next day morn.
Some people visits the mass at midnight but most people aren't religious.
Some families are more traditional, usually those young Hungarian couples - usually from the intelligentsia - who have more young kids than the average, who keep it more familial, they don't really watch tv, but sing songs or telling tales for the kids, idyllic.
Then some people go even more traditional. There is some disagreement about where the Hungarian karácsony word came from and the idea that it's from the kerecsen attracts more and more people. The kerecsen is the saker falcon (falkon cherrug) usually associated with the Turul. The Turul itself is basically God in animal form, the light which defeats darkness every year, the force that makes the Sun (which is a Stag - as far as I know the stag should have the Sun the Moon and the stars all on its antler so it is more than the Sun, me thinks) shine more and more again (grabbing the stag and lift it into the sky). So they say that the Hungarians of old flew kerecsen at this time of year as symbolism.

I think I'll write about regölés and betlehemezés in the eve.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 07:06:44 [Preview] No.20666 del
>>20665
>decorating a pine, spruce whatever

Here it is only spruce, and using pine is weird.

Although Russians don't really celebrate Christmas (and orthodoxes have it at 7th of january), main winter holiday is New Year. Celebration is pretty common, people eat and drink, give gifts ("under the spruce"). Traditional dishes are Soviet "Olivier" salad (although it is common for every day usage), kholodets (aspic), red caviar with bread etc, but there is no really traditional set nowadays.

There is a set of New Year's movies, most known is the Soviet's "Irony of Fate", although wide array of old movies is also shown.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 14:30:06 [Preview] No.20668 del
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>tfw have wörk on Christmas day this year


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 16:34:13 [Preview] No.20670 del
>>20668
Bus driver tier.

>>20666
Pine, fir, spruce, larch, what have you. We call all of them pine (fenyő). Well somethingpine (lucfenyő, vörösfenyő etc.), probably only those really know the difference who work with them, I only have vague ideas about making them apart. Oh well.

>>20665
I started to search for pictures to post and I forgot to write two important things that actually make whole to that story about the kerecsen.
1. karácsony = Christmas
2. So they say the ancient Hungarians flew kerecsen and now some people do it as well. No direct evidence on this as far as I know, it's nowhere written explicitly they did that, so maybe they did, maybe they didn't, this is now a tradition for some (they could do it 15-20 years for now) and might remain one, so noteworthy.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 17:51:49 [Preview] No.20672 del
>>20670
We don't even have busses running on christmas day here tbh. I'm a chef and obviously Christmas is pretty busy for a restaurant, so gotta make dem shekels.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 19:36:19 [Preview] No.20673 del
>>20668

I would literally sit home alone at this New Year, just because I don't want anything now, my life becoming shittier and shittier every day so I don't even want any company.

These holidays are overrated.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 20:21:10 [Preview] No.20674 del
Betlehemezés is basically a nativity play. It originates in the Middle Ages but only mentioned on the Hungary in the 1600's first performed in schools. It became a tradition among the peasantry late, in the 19th century. It is known and kept everywhere in the Carpathian basin's villages, the core of the story is ofc the birth of Jesus, however the way of performing and the lines can and do differ in every corner of the land. The actors play the part of the shepherds and present dramatic play consisting dialogues, songs, dancing and oftentimes jesting. The performers going house to house, they do their show then give presents, good wishes to the hosts who offer them food and drinks.

Regölés is similar in this, the performers go from house to house, mostly where maidens live and they perform their act and get presents in return. They can do this from 26th December up to New Years Eve. The difference is that the topic isn't Christian, they perform a "magical" fertility ritual - ofc during the centuries some Christian elements started to form a crust all over it (but not Christmasy).
The performers are called regös (sing.) and regösök (plur.). Rege means tale or legend, but the regösök of old were more like skalds or bards, and their song is called regösének (ének = song). The researchers, historians and ethnographers usually considers them as a type of shamans (beside the usual táltos category) who in time lost their shamanic stigma and could live and perform in the courts of nobility, even of the high clergy and rulers. Ofc not the contemporaries but the Medieval ones and those lived in the early Modern times, today they are just ordinary guys having some traditional holiday fun.

>>20672
>buses don't run
Wtf? Would think they keep some skeleton crew to ensure a public service.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 20:22:30 [Preview] No.20675 del
>>20673
That's sad.
Isolating yourself won't solve any problem. You really should ask for help. I know it's easy to say. This is always the wall that Russians of KC face, noone to talk to, noone to help. At least that's what I read oftentimes. Frankly western Bernds (northerns actually) who complain of suffering are always have the option to seek out some help helper or psychologist.
But still. Don't be alone!
I'm not a fan of sharing personal stuff on the internet, however maybe we could make a cytube channel sometimes, watch a movie and talk about that. With any Bernd who wish to join ofc.
Or if you need some advice or something and you can explain your problems vaguely enough not to be too personal maybe we can give some pointers or a fresh angle at least.


Bernd 11/20/2018 (Tue) 21:10:56 [Preview] No.20677 del
>>20673
You should really spend some time with your family, mang.
>>20674
Yep, even in London and other major cities there's no public transport at all. You can still get a Taxi but the companies often charge at least triple the usual prices (even though most of the drivers are Muslim so they don't give a shit). I really need to get my license soon.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 16:21:13 [Preview] No.20680 del
>>20677
How common people who have to get to work are get around? Why is it reasonable for the govt. to allow citizens to be extorted by taxi companies?
All right it's not much fun to be a driver for a public transport company on Christmas but at least that day is usually calm, few passengers and less hurry to keep the timetable.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 17:07:49 [Preview] No.20682 del
>>20680
>How common people who have to get to work are get around?
Most people probably just have cars. The insurance is fucking extortionate for young people, though (£1400 per year on average). On the other hand it's cheap as fuck for old people even though they cause a shit ton of accidents.
>Why is it reasonable for the govt. to allow citizens to be extorted by taxi companies?
Muh free market I guess.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 21:38:34 [Preview] No.20693 del
>>20673
I didn't want to appear cold here >>20675 but I don't want to pressure you into sharing - even tho we can't help in anything tangible maybe that you try to put your problems into words can help you. However I want you to know that your posts are always appreciated - and I'm not saying this coz the board is kinda quite these days - and I value your knowledge and opinion because they were sound whatever have been discussed.
We aren't kids anymore and we all know telling everything will be all right would be an outright lie. Life is such that things aren't all right. We wouldn't be Bernds otherwise, our lives won't be ever hunkydory, we all have the struggles we just can't won.
Maybe you have to make hard decisions now or just was given a shit sandwich I don't know. But I know you have the knowledge and wisdom to make right conclusion and do what has to be done to get through this period. Happiness might not achievable but being content or in emotional equilibrium isn't that unrealistic.
I don't know about your circumstances so blindly won't try to give advices again, not even what previously wrote (to get company, even tho it is reasonable suggestion).
Don't be a stranger.


Bernd 11/21/2018 (Wed) 23:34:04 [Preview] No.20694 del
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>>20693
Thanks.

Don't worry, I'll be ok (at least I think so now).

I'm too old to be unstable teen and too young to be depressed senior. Psychologists are afraid of me, because I'm cynical and couldn't talk with them openly, and they wouldn't say anything new to me - sadly, I know about aberrations of human mind and dealing with problems. But I think paying someone to listen my trolling is too crazy even fo me, so no, no psychologists for me.

Whatever, it is all about too much work, no good happenings at all, large amount of unexpected shit, bad predictions about personal future, some health problems, etc, and, of course, evil women, they are evil and it is the main problem. Don't like to discuss it much just because it feels like attention farming like "oh guys look i want to kill myself now tell me that I'm good".


Bernd 11/22/2018 (Thu) 20:12:05 [Preview] No.20700 del
>>20694
That glue ad really attracts attention...
Once you mentioned you being a cynic before also the problems with visiting psychologists. I'll try to keep in mind in the future. And now some remarks.
>work
How else could you get by without Skandi-tier welfare? Especially with you living on your own.
>no good happenings
They rarely happen by themselves if ever, one has to create them, force them out of the circumstances. After work it's hard to start into something, but I believe it can worth it. Also appreciate little things, a good meal, an hour of calmness. Before sleep it's good to think about things - and list three or five - that made us happy during the day. Ofc one have to recognize happiness in things that became common part of daily life as time went by.
>unexpected shit
Yeah, maybe these are the ones that need one thing, going on with gritted teeth.
>personal future
Everyone has the same future, an oblong box two meters under. Well, nowadays it's an urn and a few dozen cms at best. Until then one should avoid stupid shit potentially result in jail time and substance abuse.
>health problems
One can care about own health. Ofc genetics can fuck things up. Also accidents.
>women
Grass is green, Sky is blue, Women are evil, Nothing new. I would say very self-centered. Some don't. I've no luck either, probably I scare away those who don't and those who don't get scared are psychos therefore self-centered by default. Oh well.
I'm not really pro-share either, for one End is google searchable, second noone can know what kind of people read this stuff and some malevolent minds could use to his own advantage whatever it's written for his own amusement without caring anyone could get hurt. Sociopaths are real. Probably I shouldn't even write this but I do care about you guys, all the other regulars and quasi-regulars even if I've no idea who is everyone. Partially because I'd hate to see this place turning into my personal blog.


Bernd 11/22/2018 (Thu) 23:30:24 [Preview] No.20705 del
>>20694
A psychologist can be a huge waste of money or even do more harm than good.


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Besides the three pic related what other annoying American events started to plague our Old Continent?


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>>20708
Don't forget about Santa and American tier social justice. We celebrate the birth of some Jewish kid on the 25th of December (except for Russians, they don't believe in Astrology and still follow the calendar of Julius Caesar), but burgers stole our Saint Nicholas and his black help helpers and turned him into some fat guy from the North Pole cleaning chimneys in American suburbs.


Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 17:31:07 [Preview] No.20710 del
>>20709
Oh yeah, the Coca Cola Santa with the red nosed reindeer and elves, hohoho. He starts to appear at Christmas time here as well but mostly we still keep ourselves: 6th Dec St. Niklaus (or Father Winter who we picked up fairly late, I'm not sure from Germs or Slavs) with Krampus, 25th Dec Jesus.


Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 17:56:45 [Preview] No.20712 del
>>20710
>(or Father Winter who we picked up fairly late, I'm not sure from Germs or Slavs)
I remember we discussed that topic here last winter. Poland (but only my region) had Starman. Different regions had different present givers.


Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 18:13:36 [Preview] No.20714 del
>>20712
>Starman
Gwiazdor?
I remember it was topic but not really what was written. I probably mentioned Kisjézus (Little Jesus) as the Christmas present giver and Mikulás (St. Nick) as 6th Dec present giver (gives chocolate, fruits, nuts, and the Krampus birch - as in flexible wooden stick to beat bad kids).
In the communism Télapó (Father Winter) was preferred instead of Nick, but couldn't kill Lil Jesus or replace him with Lil Lenin or someone.


Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 19:12:51 [Preview] No.20716 del
I just remembered about one christian tradition that we had but sadly died recently and I'm bit pissed of because of that.
So there used to be kids around christmas going door to door dressed as characters from nativity of Jesus or related and singing carols. I remember when I was a little kid it was still a thing, but year after year less kids were taking part and they were becoming lazy with their costumes. I remember one particular year when only two kids showed up with no costume at all and my mom told them to fuck off with that lame shit. I haven't seen that tradition being carried on since then.
Meanwhile polish 30 year boomers are defending halloween because "kids have fun". Also let it be know that those Christmas carolers were given actual money and not some cuck candies.


Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 20:59:44 [Preview] No.20717 del
>>20716
Same settis here with betlehemezés and regölés. Lot of settlements don't hold them anymore, and those which do it's just for the purpose of communal celebration and not for individual households. People have to be kind of a hardcore traditionalists to do it the right way. Maybe some places keep these traditions for the tourists, maybe little bit skansen style.


Bernd 11/23/2018 (Fri) 21:36:20 [Preview] No.20718 del
Now fuckin protonmail is bullying me with Black Friday Sale...


Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 00:27:06 [Preview] No.20719 del
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>>20716
>So there used to be kids around christmas going door to door dressed as characters from nativity of Jesus or related and singing carols

This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koledari

Yeah, it is dead here too, but it was dead in second half of 20th century already because of USSR. But term is known.

>>20714
>I remember it was topic but not really what was written

It was typical discussion about Christmas trees, Santa Claus and color of his clothes, and about westernization of holidays. Coca-cola was mentioned too of course.


Bernd 11/24/2018 (Sat) 00:39:58 [Preview] No.20721 del
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>>20700

Oh, I know this all. But knowing how everything works doesn't make it easier, sadly.

But thanks for comments.

>Partially because I'd hate to see this place turning into my personal blog.

But it was mostly yours personal blog from the start!


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>>20710
It's similar to most Protestant/Catholic countries. "Christmas" is actually still called "Jul" (which was the original name of the holiday in Old Norse, before Christianity) in the Nordic countries, and Father Christmas (or Santa) is called "Julefar", and it's said here lives in Greenland. We do the usual Western Christmas stuff, like decorating trees, eating red cabbage, puddings of sorts, and cold cuts, and we usually open presents on the night of Christmas Eve. We also drink akvavit, which is a Catholic thing, popularised here in the 16th century.
>>20709
>We celebrate the birth of some Jewish kid on the 25th of December
Jesus was probably born in September. The 25th of December is again, actually the winter solstice, and is celebrated by most Indo-European groups (Iranians have their own version called "Yalda").


Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 15:53:52 [Preview] No.20741 del
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>>20719
That sounds like a very familiar discussion.

>>20721
Well then I would advise one thing. Smile more.
>But it was mostly yours personal blog from the start!
Then how we will turn it into not my personal blog? I mean while I still post regularly...

>>20731
Where will Julefar live after the Chinese bought Greenland?
>akvavit
It always sounded to me like a bottled mineral water brand advertised to sportsmen, healthnuts and fatsos on diet Aquavit - For A Healthy Life!.
I think winter solstice is important in most cultures since humanity's dawn.


Bernd 11/25/2018 (Sun) 23:09:05 [Preview] No.20769 del
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I researched local Christmas traditions but it turns out each and every single one of them is a foreign import, with no 100% national inventions to speak of.


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 00:55:30 [Preview] No.20774 del
>>20632
>When the stream will start?
The stream is usually within a week of Christmas, the exact day depends on admin schedules. Not on Christmas Eve or the day of because people need to spend time with their families instead of shitposting on a Polynesian cave painting imageboard.


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 16:57:59 [Preview] No.20785 del
>>20674
What are the origins of the tradition?


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 17:10:42 [Preview] No.20787 del
>>20774
>people need to spend time with their families instead of shitposting on a Polynesian cave painting imageboard.
What a shame.
Thanks otherwise.

>>20785
Betlehemezés is entirely Christian as far as I know.
Regölés has pagan roots but how the original Hungarian religion or belief system looked like, we have not much idea. As I mentioned it probably has something to do with a shamanistic fertility ritual in relation with the winter solstice and maidens.


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 18:08:41 [Preview] No.20792 del
>>20787
Hmm I wondered if it's ugoric or altaic or something syncretic tradition. I suppose it's hard to figure out as you said.


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 19:31:55 [Preview] No.20795 del
>>20792
I would vote on the syncretic tradition.
The problem with our Ugric-Uralic link is that it isn't much more than linguistic relation. And even our closest Ugric relatives (in language) are pretty far from us (in linguistic sense) and the Hungarians who arrived into the Carpathian basin in their culture were the most typical steppe people we could think of. However there are no trace of Tengrism among the fragmented information we have about our religion.
It's true both Hungarians and other Uralics had shamans, but the info we have on the Uralic shamans are fairly late (I think 16th century and onward) and the Hungarian ones can be traced back to the 9th century and by the 16th they were nowhere or were transformed into generic wise-man or those regös bards I mentioned before. But did they exist hundreds or even thousands of years before that? Interesting to note that one possible origin of the word shaman is from the Sanskrit samana, which basically means Buddhist monk. I heard - haven't read tho - Sven Hedin wrote about a shamanistic ritual he witnessed in Mongolia and said the ceremony was directed by Buddhist monks. Did they have anything in common?
We know that the old Hungarian belief system contained shamanistic, animist and totemist elements, most likely was a war god and probably a mother figure who was easily baptized by the Christian missionaries to Virgin Mary who is/was particularly worshiped here. There seem to be some Zoroastrian elements too at least a Muslim source explicitly mentions that the Hungarians worship the fire, there might be other data on this.
Orthodox missionaries approached the pagan Hungarians before the Conquest, and I suppose our people had to be aware of other Christian Churches, like Armenian, or the gnostic Manichean for example. In Khazaria they had to meet Islam as lots of the Khagan's soldiers were Muslim, and they sure as shit knew about Judaism - again good example of the Khagans themselves. They might even knew Buddhism maybe even we can thank shamanism to their monks, who knows.
So by then they arrived here, many affect influenced them and their believes.
I suppose the winter solstice must have been very important to the northern Uralic groups, mostly on the Finnic side. I really don't know about their traditions, tho I've some book somehwere.


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 20:03:03 [Preview] No.20798 del
>>20795
>>20795
>They might even knew Buddhism maybe even we can thank shamanism to their monks, who knows.
Idk since when kalmyks are around caucasia but if they were around that time, they might have met with buddhism as well, though it's quite different from indian and chinese ones.

Yeah you're right about uralic-ugoric link besides the language link (if there is any, not sure) there is not much common as the split is very early and hungarians affected by other things also eventually develeoped their own thing.

>However there are no trace of Tengrism among the fragmented information we have about our religion.
by trace you mean notes or any living tradition?

As far as I know shaman is a tungusic word and its roots most likely dead already so samana is probably one of the surviving relative of the word strongly assuming others dead already.

Also I doubt 'shamanist' people called shamans as shamans, I'm pretty sure there were other names for that.

I'm probably wrong about this this fertility thing might have relation with scytians considering the geography is not so far, their religion was syncretic as fug and they had fertility god called api which sounds somewhat hungarian(??)

>before the Conquest
the conquest? which conquest?

Thanks for infos.


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 20:22:55 [Preview] No.20801 del
>>20798
>by trace you mean notes or any living tradition?
No notes, no living tradition. But I guess Tengrism is kinda syncretic religion, maybe we just referred Tengri in another name or something.

>Also I doubt 'shamanist' people called shamans as shamans, I'm pretty sure there were other names for that.
Yes we have our word: tátos/táltos. Also the regös but it's a different thing. Táltos was someone who could into the spiritual world, performed rituals, invocations, healing and lead celebrations. The regös left with the last one it seems. I should read up a little more on that.

>api
Oh yes, it's a word for father. At least one of many versions: apa, api, apu and probably the original version: atya (interestingly close to Gothic ata, atta, but seems to be very ancient from the Uralic era). We also use papa (and other forms: papi, papó) which I think farily universal word, found in Indo-European languages too.

>the conquest? which conquest?
The Hungarian Conquest of the Carpathian basin.

>Thanks for infos.
Ofc.

Anything ancient pagan left in the Turkish traditions? Or Islam overwrote everything?


Bernd 11/26/2018 (Mon) 20:39:01 [Preview] No.20802 del
>>20801
> Gothic ata
ata means father in Turkish, alongside with baba which I assume doesnt altaic roots.

the word efendi(sir, lord) might originate from uyghur appandi which means api is both similar to turkish father and sir at the same time, breddy inderesding.

> Or Islam overwrote everything?
how could it? in 2 of 3 villages there was no mosque therebefore no central authority of religion. that's why there were many pervert wacko stuff also that's why our old beliefs stayed alive by blending in.

Türkmen alevis who dont suffer from stockholm syndorme have syncretic beliefs with islam and tengrism.

>But I guess Tengrism is kinda syncretic religion,
true, afaik atleast ghengis khan's grandons believed you can believe other things as long as you honor tengri, that gives us the clue how was it.

>tátos/táltos ,regös
I always get a feeling hungarian is some kind of Turkish that is written backwards :DD Anyway our words for that kam, baksı and the very well known shaman. Alevi's have dede's which means grandfather. It's forbidden to be alevi unless you're descedant of an alevi. The syncretic religion is now turtling to carry on it's existence, that's the state of the affairs for you.


Bernd 11/27/2018 (Tue) 06:34:13 [Preview] No.20814 del
>>20802
>ata means father in Turkish
I'm aware. I gave Gothic as example because it's unrelated language.

>I always get a feeling hungarian is some kind of Turkish that is written backwards
When I read a Turkish text it feels familiar and if it should mean something but never can make out any comprehensible. The Finnish both looks alien and unintelligible.
On the other hand European Indo-European texts always contain something I can hold onto. First because they all borrowed from Greek and Latin just like Hungarian, second because they borrowed from each other and the languages I learnt help recognize some, third because Hungarian borrowed from them (tho some of the words were shaped to unrecognizable levels and sometimes the original word is archaic now).

>alevi
I probably should look that up.


Bernd 11/27/2018 (Tue) 07:30:44 [Preview] No.20816 del
>>20798
>Idk since when kalmyks are around caucasia but if they were around that time

Kalmyks appeared there only in 16-17th centuries, so no, they couldn't have proper contact with Hungarians or anyone.

Considering Buddhism - it known even in ancient world

>Also I doubt 'shamanist' people called shamans as shamans, I'm pretty sure there were other names for that.

Yes. As far as I know, only Evenks (Tungus) use this word, others have own non-related variations.


Bernd 11/27/2018 (Tue) 20:03:29 [Preview] No.20828 del
Today we got the first snow, I washed my face in it so I'll be butifel. According to the folk belief. But must be working as I do it since forever and I'm butifel.


Bernd 12/15/2018 (Sat) 08:20:31 [Preview] No.21279 del
I give this a bump for those who don't use Kotlog.


Bernd 12/15/2018 (Sat) 09:05:04 [Preview] No.21280 del
http://www.freeciv.org/

Would you guys be interested in trying a game of this for
around christmas time?

They even have 1 turn a day games you can set up for like a long term option with little time investment. I haven't tried it myself but it seems like something that could be fun with a bunch of detailed oriented autists.


Bernd 12/15/2018 (Sat) 09:34:01 [Preview] No.21281 del
>>21280
Right now I'd say why not.
I'll inform myself about the howto what's new and such.


Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 12:12:41 [Preview] No.21306 del
>>21280
Checked out Freeciv a little, the repo containes 2.5 and not 2.6 but whatever. My main problem is that there's no menu in the game, for example I can only issue orders via keyboard shortcuts and I don't even know what order I can issue to the units. And where are the stats and graphs or whatever? Can't change language, it's set to Hungarian somewhere (in the config files I guess) but it's just partially translated and what is done it's awful I want to switch to English but there's no apparent option. I can't change player name, it reads the username from the system. And probably other stuff. I think I should read the documentation or something.


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>>21306

I have freeciv 2.6 from repos (arch), and there is gtk gui. At least when started with freeciv-gtk.

I guess you may have this in separate package.


Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 14:35:04 [Preview] No.21311 del
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>>21307
That shit up in the menu bar. I don't have that.
As I created the screenshot I noticed I can click on the space where the menus should be and I get the drop down menus. It's just the text doesn't show up on the bar.
I also have the gtk gui.


Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 14:37:07 [Preview] No.21312 del
>>21311
All right I changed theme, that fixed the text.


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>>21312

Tip: if you have dark gtk theme and like it, but some software looks like shit (firefox is a good example of this with native dark inputs with dark text), just run that app with default white gtk theme, but don't touch system one.

I also have issues, so I run these things as:
GTK_THEME=Adwaita:light app_name_here

Freeciv also started for me as white-on-white.


Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 15:02:47 [Preview] No.21315 del
>>21313
It's not dark theme, only the icon set named as such, no idea why. Not one dark theme works as it should (at the beginning I toyed with the idea to fix one but i've no patience editing anything) and if my eyes gets used to it and suddenly meet with a light window my retina burns out. So I stick with "normal" shade.


Bernd 12/16/2018 (Sun) 16:04:48 [Preview] No.21319 del
>>21280
I'm not into Civ but I could play if more people settle for this.


Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 07:50:56 [Preview] No.21327 del
All right, I'll update the stuff up to 2.6 I assume the developers has their own repo I can add and update from there. I'll play a game to refresh my memory as well.
What rules are we gonna play with? I saw Freeciv offers several, liek civ 2, civ3 and others.
From Wednesday to Saturday I'll be away but after that I'll be pretty much free with the exception of the obligations these holidays come with.


Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 11:38:50 [Preview] No.21328 del
>>21319
I've only played a bit of Civ 1, but I could go for it as well.


Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 12:51:08 [Preview] No.21331 del
>>21328
With you that's five. Counting Russian Bernd, tho he didn't wrote explicitly that he would play.


Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 17:50:46 [Preview] No.21334 del
>>21331
I'm ok with civ, count me in. I've played only civ1 and civ2 though, so I don't know freeciv mechanics.

But I have concerns about speed of game, for example, I rarely can play at work (although sometimes I can), so, it may become "we all waiting all day for that guy to do a single turn". This may be not fun for everyone, especially for someone who has much free time.


Bernd 12/17/2018 (Mon) 21:56:12 [Preview] No.21338 del
>>21334
I played many civs, they mostly differ in graphics. I'm not sure what Freeciv adds or take, played a few turns (dunno with which mechanics): scout, build city, build features, build units, research for more possibilities, scout, fight, get steamrolled by barbarians.
Amerilard said there's a 1 Turn per day game mode. Yes sounds slow, especially in the starting buildup.
Oh there's browser basef Freeciv and game server, and play by e-mail mode (or get e-mail notification maybe) too.

Also they don't have repo, just a github with the source what can be dl'd anyway from their homepage. If I compile it from source will it update my installation or it will just install it as a new program?


Bernd 12/18/2018 (Tue) 20:46:59 [Preview] No.21389 del
>>21338
>If I compile it from source will it update my installation or it will just install it as a new program?

It installs to /usr/local/ by default I guess (could be changed at configure/autogen step), so it will be another copy. Looks like path to user config files is same, so maybe there will be small problems if both versions will run after each other.

But maybe there is package for your distro? You can also open build script for old package, change versions/paths and rebuild, or just look how it must be compiled in your situation.

I've just build it in /tmp/ and it worked though.


Bernd 12/22/2018 (Sat) 14:04:00 [Preview] No.21434 del
>>21389
I thought I install it via getdeb. But their playdeb site just redirects me to a Russian online casino page or sumtin.
I'll consider the options.


Bernd 12/22/2018 (Sat) 14:10:31 [Preview] No.21438 del
>>21434
Or I get Forbidden 403 error.


Bernd 12/22/2018 (Sat) 14:36:18 [Preview] No.21443 del
>>21434

I don't know what is your distro (what is it, actually?), but Debian has 2.6 in current backports. Maybe it will run on your machine without modifications (it requires sdl2 and gtk3 mostly, and common things like zlib).

https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/freeciv (metapackage, but there are others, like freeciv-server, freeciv-data etc by links)


Bernd 12/22/2018 (Sat) 14:56:09 [Preview] No.21444 del
>>21443
Mint 18.1


Bernd 12/25/2018 (Tue) 01:46:55 [Preview] No.21540 del
>>20631
Bump.


Merry Christmas, Bernd Bernd 12/25/2018 (Tue) 07:39:06 [Preview] No.21542 del
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...and to all who lurks, visit and see this on /overboard/.,

We are passed Yule a few days ago, the light won over the darkness, days getting longer but the real cold is yet to come. I hope with some snow as ours melted in the +5 C.
Anyway I hope you got nice presents or at least found a little peace, calm and quiet.


Bernd 12/26/2018 (Wed) 17:23:01 [Preview] No.21587 del
I's basically over but I didn't have a chance to get to computer earlier so here's my late merry Christmas for all Bernd.


Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 21:32:48 [Preview] No.21681 del
All right, Bernd. Tomorrow Christmas Special Night, 3:00 PM EST, that's 21:00 in CET the only timezone which matters. On the link in OP you can find the cytube link.
Till then will post a little anyway.


Bernd 12/28/2018 (Fri) 19:08:07 [Preview] No.21709 del
Grinch is going. Never seen. I know he steals Christmas. Also the connection to Endchan so it fails.


Bernd 12/29/2018 (Sat) 07:21:29 [Preview] No.21713 del
All right. So as I get too many "no"s during compilation of the 2.6 Freeciv and it ultimately fails I decided upgrading the OS to newer. However it seems they changed the default display manager to LightDM and dropped MDM entirely. If I migrate to the other how likely I'll run into some unsolvable shit and end up reinstalling the whole system?


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 00:47:41 [Preview] No.21742 del
>>21280
When is this going to be ready?


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 07:30:19 [Preview] No.21743 del
>>21742
Possibly partially me who bears the fault for the delay. I still don't have 2.6, and won't upgrade anything by next year. Not today, tomorrow or on the 1st. After that it will be little effort, if goes everything well I think. That change from MDM to LightDM bothers me little.
It also bothers me that Mint repos seemingly don't have Freeciv, at least I couldn't find it, when I searched.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:04:46 [Preview] No.21744 del
>>21743
25 should be available? Mint use the same repos as ubuntu's default? mine is showing as 2.5.10-1

>>21742
Whenever is good for a sizable number of people. I'm going through the server options now and it looks like you can have up to 126 players but I don't think we need to worry about that.

Seems like I could host but I am a bad combo of tech-tarded and jinxed so sometimes shit can just go south.
The second and third are good for me as I would be available all day both days if need be.
All day being 1pm GMT basically on the second onward because burger time.
Also it seems like 2.5 is the current version on most repos although it shouldn't be hard to upgrade or get the newest version, so depending on other people's opinions/options we may have to play that part by ear.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:24:39 [Preview] No.21745 del
>>21744
Continued:
We could try to run a quick game or try to connect just to make sure things are working on my end before going further if anyone is up and around.
I'm just on my laptop though so this won't be a stable connection for the moment just a dry run of sorts.
Looks like rulesets can be changed from civ1, 2, freeciv etc. I currently just have everything on default.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:27:47 [Preview] No.21746 del
>>21744
2.5.3-1
But I'm not on the freshest Mint. Also our Russian friend has 2.6, I'm not sure about the others.
How the server will be run? And where is it located? Do you host it on your PC?
First week next year I have one day when I'm busy but it's not fixed which one.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:28:19 [Preview] No.21747 del
>>21745
You do realise you can't just use localhost? You need to provide an actual IP.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:28:47 [Preview] No.21748 del
>>21746
2.6 here.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:29:32 [Preview] No.21749 del
>>21745
>>21747
Yeah, there's that metaserver stuff, whatever it is.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 08:53:06 [Preview] No.21752 del
>>21747
nope, should've known as it says LAN though oops.
I'll look into seeing what I can do. I can probably rig up another computer as a debian or ubuntu server if need be.

>>21751
all things considered that might be the best option as least barriers to entry


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 09:24:58 [Preview] No.21753 del
>>21752
Anything you can do now?


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 09:49:00 [Preview] No.21755 del
>>21753
Ok, I think I'm hosting one right now on that Freeciv-web website. Link here: >>21751
Password: bernd


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 09:50:02 [Preview] No.21756 del
>>21755
It says I have to wait until at least two players join. I'm not sure the two players is with me or without.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 10:08:42 [Preview] No.21762 del
>>21756
You still there?


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 10:09:21 [Preview] No.21763 del
>>21762
Yeah. I'm waiting for players.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 11:08:20 [Preview] No.21764 del
Well, it wasn't bad.
The UI and the controls a little clunky. Also need to change the timer, turn it off if possible I think. Saving the game is another thing should be tested.


Bernd 12/30/2018 (Sun) 23:28:14 [Preview] No.21767 del
>>21713
>However it seems they changed the default display manager to LightDM and dropped MDM entirely. If I migrate to the other how likely I'll run into some unsolvable shit and end up reinstalling the whole system?

Changing display manager rarely leads to big problems, because other packages almost never depend on it.

Technically, having "non-standart" DM is ok, so you don't need to change it, even if it is not default now. For example, I use slim on all computers, it is unsupported for long time but still works ok, and I'm just too lazy to change it.


Bernd 12/31/2018 (Mon) 13:22:01 [Preview] No.21793 del
>>21767
Thanks this made me less goncerned.
Now that we probably can play with the web based Freeciv, I won't hurry with the update, I'll still do it tho now that I started it - wasn't planning, that's why I chose a LTS version.
I hope the holidays going all right for you, I don't want to bring up the previous conversation nor going all sentimental. I'll drink a gulp of pálinka for your health anyway.

All right you guys, see all of You Next Year!



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