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Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 21:34:34 [Preview] No. 20411
ITT: post interesting sattelite images and what's notable about them.

These are shots from Rondônia state, where human settlement is strikingly clear. Highways -most notably, the BR-364 flowing SE to NE- and their evenly spaced perpendicular side roads flow deep into the jungle, with deforestation, cattle herding, agriculture and urbanization (roughly in this order) following suite. This leaves a light green (mostly composed of pasture) grid dotted with gray points where lines meet, overlaid on a dark green matrix. Few other places have so many clear, sharp edges that can be easily seen from extreme heights.

Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 22:40:12 [Preview] No.20412 del
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Bahia's western border with Goiás and Tocantins, with and without boundaries on the map. It's defined by an abrupt drop of a couple hundred meters from a densely cultivated plateau in the east to more sparsely occupied lowlands in the west.

Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 22:47:25 [Preview] No.20413 del
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I need some ideas, but sounds like an interesting topic. Have a satellite image of the first thing that came to my mind.

Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 22:54:39 [Preview] No.20414 del
Why didn't engineers notice the shape when planning construction?

Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 23:04:45 [Preview] No.20415 del
>Still thinks the Swastika is negative
If only you knew

Bernd 11/01/2018 (Thu) 23:34:48 [Preview] No.20417 del
The swastika isn't necessarily negative or positive, it's just a symbol. But in a society where it's well-known and deeply reviled, certainly engineers would notice it at a glance.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 00:10:43 [Preview] No.20418 del
I stand corrected, though historically the Swastika has been perceived as a positive one:
>The expression Swastika comes from the Sanskrit word “Svastika”, composed of the syllables SU – (good) and ASTI (to be), meaning “to be lucky” or “salutary” or “what is good”.
Sadly it has been turned into a symbol of negativity or hatred even (though not by National Socialism or Hitler)

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 07:14:52 [Preview] No.20419 del
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In USSR people tried to write something with landscape.

People, of course, try to do this now, but mostly with less permanent ways, like with painted letters on building roofs or some other things.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 07:21:57 [Preview] No.20420 del
And of course, the happy citizens of the USSR did this spontaneously because they loved their Dear Leaders so much.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 07:38:37 [Preview] No.20422 del
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In my childhood this would have really interested me, now I rarely if ever check these.
So I'll share a thought something else, about a thing that was already posted, this Strava Heatmap. These aren't a satellite images but whatever, here's the link once more:
As I know the woods in certain areas where I live I can judge by now how much traffic each road, trail, path gets and the "heat" mirrors this very well despite these maps only document certain sport activities (mostly running/jogging and cycling) as most of the time only sportsmen use these gps devices and not the average tourist.

Also, let me draw attention to a previous post of mine, here:
These aren't sat images either, but at least real aerial photos.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 07:48:44 [Preview] No.20423 del
>happy citizens of the USSR did this spontaneously

Of course not. Happy citizens of the USSR did this according to the plan, because they loved their Dear Leaders so much.

These things are too serious to do them spontaneously.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 08:57:16 [Preview] No.20424 del
>"Oh, Lenin, Oh Trotsky, Oh Marx, Oh Stalin thank you for facilitating and initiating the murder of millions of our people"
Said no one ever.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 10:16:37 [Preview] No.20425 del

Oh Lenin, Oh Trotsky, Oh Marx, Oh Stalin,
Give me in due time, I beseech you, a little gulag,
With the little dark buildings
piled up neatly near forests
And the loose barbed wire
and the rifles,
And the strong guards
lurking near camp walls,
And a pair of commissars
not too gentle,
And the overseers dropping in for a word or two in passing,
For a flip word, and to check how work is going


Sorry, I couldn't resist, I liked your phrase much.

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 10:26:57 [Preview] No.20426 del
>Said no one ever.
True. But not for the reasons you would think.
For starters the only time when millions died en masse was the great famine. But then for the people it could be told that it's not the fault of the leadership, during history many famines occurred they could just blame it on a new one and it wasn't even up for discussion to the '90s people didn't even know about it.
Then the "our people" didn't exist. They didn't really had the idea of national community in them and the communist propaganda literally brainwashed them into believing they are the glorious proletariat who should clean itself from the class enemy who wants to oppress and exploit them. Most of the "Soviet people" were very simple uneducated people and they started to learn the tenets of Marxism and Leninism since the cradle. By WWII many of the young adults honestly believed in communism, it's fight and it's goals. Then WWII could be used to verify the previous claims that imperialists want to take away the freedom of the workers.
And many, many people lived their life talking without any cynicism when it came to the communist system up until the CCCP collapsed.
They also lived informational isolation. They didn't travel, they didn't have internet, they only knew about what's happening by hearsay (if anyone talked about anything but I doubt it, maximum in the very close family). They got information from the state newspaper and state radio. And from their superiors in the workplace. From the commissars and the cadres, from those who were more politically "qualified" to express "opinions".
And do you think the villains of history believe they are villains? You think they think about themselves as "haha I'm The Bad Guy, let's torture some innocents"?
You think today in Russia so many people wants the SU back because they knew and enjoyed how these Evil Dictators killed "their people"?

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A stretch of the infamous BR-230/Transamazonian highway, where the previously described pattern of deforestation is also visible. If you pay attention, you can see it cutting through the jungle at an altitude of as much as 30 thousand km.

A while ago an American base in Syria accidentally showed up on that map (or some other athletic tracking service) because servicemen were using it.
There are visible differences in usage from country to country and region to region, as is clear within Belgium. I wonder if it'd be possible to multiply every region's heat in order to correct it to someothing closer to its population and thus get a "pure" map representing only road usage rather than road usage + app usage. Some lesser roads do not appear at all in areas where the service sees little use, but relatively dense areas (such as the Rhineland) seen with a low resolution would appear quite close to the densest areas (England, Flanders).

>These aren't sat images either, but at least real aerial photos.
They're good enough for the purpose of this thread.

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The famous Onion Island, here be tor posters

Bernd 11/02/2018 (Fri) 17:35:06 [Preview] No.20430 del
>They're good enough
I'll browse a little then in the hope those photos hiding some postworthy.

Bernd 11/05/2018 (Mon) 23:24:51 [Preview] No.20452 del
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Unusual stripes in Altai Krai. A Wikimedia image description offers an explanation:

>In June 2014, the crew aboard the International Space Station (ISS) called down to Houston to ask for an explanation of this strange pattern of spikes crossing the Kulunda Steppe in central Russia. The “spikes” are a prominent visual feature when the ISS is at the top of its orbit (52 degrees north, the highest latitude flown over by the spacecraft). Scientists at NASA’s Johnson Space Center were able to provide an answer.
>The linear zones in the image are gentle folds in the surface rocks of the area; they lie slightly lower than the surrounding, lighter-toned agricultural lands. The dark zones are forested with pines and dotted with salt-rich lakes.

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 19:20:29 [Preview] No.20459 del
So those are at lower elevation?

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 21:18:38 [Preview] No.20460 del
Yes, but only in the tens of meters.

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 22:04:50 [Preview] No.20462 del
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Altai is full of this things. Large part of this region has horizontally oriented landscape.


There lines are low ridges, and they are oriented because some geological process in past. Maybe it is related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_flood (but it is too far from that region), or some glacial process. Or maybe it is just a tectonic mountain thing.

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 22:07:56 [Preview] No.20463 del
I've forgot that this engine eats some urls


Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 22:18:29 [Preview] No.20464 del
Mezőtárkány is an 850+ years old settlement on the edge of the Great Hungarian Plain (first appearance in documents is from 1279). Her layout is a variation of the clustered settlement pattern, here it's called something like "double-plot-cluster" type. It's a typical Hungarian layout tho I can imagine to occur in other countries with notable steppe type landscape as it derived from the nature of horse herders.
Steppe people aren't really nomads as nomads live the same lifestyle all year long, with the change of the seasons they only change their habitat and not their habits. Nomads move either along a north-south axis so they can enjoy the same weather both summer and winter, or along the elevation for the same reason. Wherever and whenever they are they do the same animal related activities all year round. Steppe people on the other hand graze their livestock in the summer, they change pastures if need arises (which can lead to war and forcing other tribes to move) but these pastures are all in the same climate and then as winter comes they move to winter quarters along rivers - but which are in the same elevation and latitude - where they butcher the excess livestock and stay put during the whole winter feeding fodder to the animals. Then as spring comes they move out the pastures again. I think sometimes this is called half-nomadism but there's no exact definition. Not that I saw at least.
So these "double-plot-cluster" layout is based on the winter quarters. The yurts were set up in random places (not necessarily in random order which might have been influenced by rank, prestige) but around a central open space and the animals were placed in the outer ring. If that particular place was used for a longer period (probably advantageous for harvesting and storing fodder for winter) then more permanent buildings were erected than yurts. Later in place of yurts they built houses on small plots in the inner cluster and pens, stables, barns in the outer circle. Ofc slowly the proportions of the animals changed, less horse, more swine, poultry, bovine, goat and sheep. So a family owned one plot in the middle for their residence and one plot in the outside circle for husbandry, hence the name "double-plot".
The main roads - the herding lanes - of such settlements run radially from the center, and these roads were connected by ring of roads in a disorderly fashion. There was also a main ring which divided the nucleus and the outer circle. Sometimes this road had some fortification to increase safety.
Later as the population grew and the economy changed and people relied less on their livestock for living the outer circle filled up with residences.
I have three images of Mezőtárkány, a drawing from 1869, the aerial photo from 1964 (changed the contrast, sadly couldn't dl the original, so this is also just a screenshot), and the screenshot I made today.

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 22:24:10 [Preview] No.20465 del
Looks like a painter used too much thinner for the paint and it's leaked all over the place.

Bernd 11/06/2018 (Tue) 23:17:35 [Preview] No.20467 del
It's just odilidud's superb command of the arcane wizardry known as: Parsing untrusted input to turn them into html while attempting to prevent xss vulnerabilities using... wait for it... iterated regular expressions

Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 18:49:29 [Preview] No.20474 del
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One of the planned layout settlement types is the round settlement. Can be found all around the world, great for defensive purposes - to some extent. In north, north-eastern Germany, in Wendland they were very popular in the Middle Ages. Wanted to find some examples from Africa where maybe Hottentots and Hereros build similars. Especially because the Hereros had fire altars or some such in the middle of their villages. Couldn't really find on short notice.

How does one make the landmarks and signs go away on google's maps anyway?

Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 21:29:41 [Preview] No.20476 del
>Maybe it is related to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altai_flood (but it is too far from that region), or some glacial process. Or maybe it is just a tectonic mountain
Flooding is unlikely to spawn this kind of terrain. Glacial activity, on the other hand, is a reason I didn't consider, and it does sound plausible, and a good explanation for the large number of lakes. But I still think a geologic explanation is the culprit, and data on wheter this orientation extends to the underground or is merely a surface phenomenon could clarify the mystery.

Now that's a very obvious pattern, unlike double-plot-cluster which isn't as clear at a glance.

>How does one make the landmarks and signs go away on google's maps anyway?
Don't know about Google Maps, but on Google Earth you can strip away nearly everything and get raw sattelite imagery.

Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 06:36:00 [Preview] No.20484 del
Here's another example of double-plot-cluster.
The thing with cluster pattern is that it is an unplanned, "organic" development, they built their houses where they wanted to and not according to a will higher in the social hierarchy.
Round settlements however were planned out beforehand so it should be more noticeable.

I also took screens on a third example, but I might want to draw/outline something on them and speculate about it.

Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 21:27:03 [Preview] No.20494 del
>But I still think a geologic explanation is the culprit, and data on wheter this orientation extends to the underground or is merely a surface phenomenon could clarify the mystery.

I couldn't easily find straightforward data even in Russian, most of internet articles talk about Altai mountains, but rarely discuss local plains.

Although some sources say that this type of terrain is common for West Siberian Plain. They use word "Грива" (literally "mane") that translates to "low ridge" or "dike ridge", but it even has no English wiki page and I don't have enough geological knowledge to find proper term.

>Flooding is unlikely to spawn this kind of terrain.

Some theories say that terrain like this may be formed because of flooding, although not average flooding of course: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_current_ripples

Bernd 11/09/2018 (Fri) 06:19:46 [Preview] No.20497 del
>rarely discuss local plains.
They are very overlooked.
I have to circle back to steppe people as the Altai was among their core regions since forever. How could that be in a case of a mountains with comparable heights of the Alps? Well, those plains are the explanation.

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So the other typical example of the double-plot-cluster pattern is Hajdúnánás, north from Hajdúböszörmény.
It was mentioned the first time about 1220 it already had a church. I marked the two churches of the town with blue crosses the northern is Reformed the southerly is the Roman Catholic. The settlement was destroyed a few times in it's history so the Catholic temple might not stand where it was originally.
Up to the 1600's it was a village, when the Ottomans occupied the area it had 25 taxable plots which meant 25 tenant families theoretically. There were tricks to evade such taxes and more than one families might had lived on one plot, also a family usually meant extended family with three generations and many siblings living together. I don't know how many plots were there which enjoyed exempt from such tax. At the beginning of the 1600's about 1800-2000 hajdú was settled there, a semi-militant societal group which enjoyed noble like privileges in return military service. Only by the second half of the 19th century became crop cultivation the leading agricultural sector instead of animal husbandry. Today it has a population of approximately 17 000 souls.
The town main feature is the two rings. The Small Ring encircles the Downtown, which is the Old Town and marked the divide between the residential core and the economic buildings on the "second plots", it was fortified and pieces of the wall can be found even today. Because the Calvinist temple seem to be at a more central position and because all the things mentioned above I guess this structure is fairly late and it might not preserve the original pattern from the Middle Ages.
The Large Ring marks the outer edge of the newly built residential zone, outside of it the checkers patterned, planned zones can be observed, with mostly dachas and a few permanent habitats.

Trivia: they have an ostrich farm nearby, I seem to recall from recent news they don't have any ostriches anymore tho.

Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 01:39:39 [Preview] No.20611 del
>Because the Calvinist temple seem to be at a more central position and because all the things mentioned above I guess this structure is fairly late and it might not preserve the original pattern from the Middle Ages.
Perhaps it was an originally Catholic temple repurposed after the Reformation.

Bernd 11/16/2018 (Fri) 16:54:47 [Preview] No.20619 del
Looked into it and I found that the Catholic temple they have today is a recent build (1895) and the Reformed is older one. They treat as evident that this church is standing where the old Catholic was (what's more, with a monastery). The old temple was destroyed several times and new was built or the old refitted, what's there today in it's form also fairly new, previously the/a tower stood by itself as a separate building.
So generally people think it was how you wrote.

When I mentioned structure I meant the town's structure I'm not sure this is clear.
Btw the Reformed church had an outer defensive wall (that redish wall with the little tower), for a time it was fashionable in certain places of the old Hungary to fortify churches.

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Stirling Range in Westralia. Notice the abrupt transition from farmland to the National Park.

Bernd 01/08/2019 (Tue) 02:24:17 [Preview] No.22156 del
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Google Earth glitch west of Mont-Saint-Michel.

Bernd 01/08/2019 (Tue) 06:34:31 [Preview] No.22159 del
Mayhaps it's new feature of terrain.

I guess in Austria every inch matters. They can't spare a strip for slow transition.

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