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Tech Thread Bernd 05/16/2018 (Wed) 18:34:14 [Preview] No. 16528
Newest Edition, with less Ghork.


First thing first:
That dude of the Primitive Technology channel and all his copycats have a great advantage: access to unlimited supply of bamboo. Unlimited to their objectives. That stuff is great, tuff as shit, light as feather, can be used to many purpose with little modification and not too much work.

I also read most of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation#Responsibility_and_accountability
I think technology and it's use are running forward and lawmakers lag behind. Those who spent any time in the past two decades on the internet have a giant heap of data about them. I think Bernd posted a video about a security eggsbert, I think he works kind of a private investigator many time cooperating with officials and he said in that video anonymizing data worth nothing it can be de-anonymized with ease, and both companies and govt agencies do.
Now this law was passed at 2016. This year the EU countries have to start implementing it. Who knows how long it takes until it finishes. The whole stuff is kinda vague (it can be modified when necessary tho), and I don't know for example how the EU can force a foreign company to do whatever? There are sanctions but what jurisdiction the EU has over a US based firm for example Facebook and how the EU will force the sanctions onto for example said company?


Bernd 05/17/2018 (Thu) 09:08:17 [Preview] No.16534 del
>GDPR

I've heard different opinions, but looks like this isn't very positive thing. First - it is that type of law that can be used against literally anyone because it has very wide terms. For example, even having technical logs of web server may be a target for criminal case, or even some small server apps like fail2ban can be counted as personal data processing things. Of course no one in sane mind would do this, but that is the point: having law that may be used against anyone is pretty totalitarian thing. "If we don't like you, we can easily fuck you legally and you can do nothing against it" - that is what government really thinks. So, it is easier to find another excuse to fine (or put into jail) on those whose government doesn't like.

It is really bad for small business, now they need to maintain much larger infrastructure for logging access to data etc. So, spending will increase, and then prices. Larger players like Facebook also had problems, but they have resources and time, so they'll become stronger and small companies weaker (or die). Another step to monopolization - make running own commercial web service harder. It is especially fun when going into court is costly - someone may hire a lawyer and start the process against you for messing with personal data, and even if you win, you'll spend tremendous amount of time and money in court. So, to prevent this, company would start to do different types of certifications, audits etc, i.e. transfer money from own pocket to some third-party "trusted" parasites. For some small family-owned company that has registration on site it is easier to close the site than do all that shit. Or go to some third-party service for storing personal data (that of course can be "trusted" because it will be "certified" by government and so).

Some services already gone: https://www.tunngle.net/

Will it stop Facebook or Google or someone big from selling your data to third parties? Of course no, it just is easier to you to see that they did it, although they state this almost openly in ToS already. Yes, it will be easier to delete your account (and that part also has exception that allows company to store data for long time if they need).

Looks like it is same nonsense like cookie law but now with real harm.


Bernd 05/17/2018 (Thu) 15:15:45 [Preview] No.16538 del
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>>16534
>make a new law based on the Zuckerberg trials to remove power from big companies
>it actually gives them more power
EU: not even once


Bernd 05/17/2018 (Thu) 16:04:59 [Preview] No.16540 del
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Here's the actual text, maybe someone interested:
https://gdpr-info.eu/


Bernd 05/17/2018 (Thu) 17:28:51 [Preview] No.16543 del
>>16534
I'm glad you summed up things from the other side. I had no time to think about how it affects the "data controllers".


Bernd 05/19/2018 (Sat) 14:13:00 [Preview] No.16573 del
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https://www.rt.com/news/427199-russia-reusable-spaceship-soyuz/
So what kind of goods are produced in space?


Bernd 05/20/2018 (Sun) 10:28:48 [Preview] No.16581 del
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>>16573
I don't know about ISS, but I've read about work on past Soviet stations, and there were plenty of things they could bring back from station. For example, something like metal details made on experimental zero-g metal casting equipment or results of botanical experiments.

Although amount of this is rarely large, so they could bring everything with crew on rotation. Maybe supply will create demand.

But Roskosmos promised to build Soyuz-based transport ship in 2006, and they still moving dates to future, now it is 2022. They also promised base on moon in 2015. I guess that impotent organization wouldn't do anything.


Bernd 05/20/2018 (Sun) 13:39:34 [Preview] No.16582 del
What these channels like Primitive Technology's and his copycats don't tell you - or rather their videos don't give back that type of experience - is that all the stuff they make are a result of awfully lot of work.
Judging by a 10-20 min video one could think: "oh that's so easy, I'm gonna gave fun on the weekend recreate their projects" or worse: "I'll quit my job and live on my DIY, off the grid homestead built from scratch by the materials I find in nature" and off he goes. Then comes the frustration of the slowness of the work and the back pain from the crouching and lifting for hours and hours days after days.
Making over 9000 mudbricks to build a deplorable little cabin is no fun for 99.9% of the romantic minded delicate city dwellers.


Bernd 05/20/2018 (Sun) 13:40:28 [Preview] No.16583 del
>>16582
*I'm gonna have fun


Bernd 05/23/2018 (Wed) 19:23:48 [Preview] No.16619 del
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Oy vey.
But does it mean Endchan will finally stable?

Not that much left from our board, the chance that we won't dwindle slowly into total inactivity gone with the much downtime, as KC migrants left, even those who would have remained otherwise. To be frank, I much contemplated on giving up posting altogether in the past 24 hours. The regulars now irregulars, no discussions, and really these few people are discussed so much what's left?
Ehh, we'll see.


Bernd 05/23/2018 (Wed) 19:28:53 [Preview] No.16620 del
>>16619
feels bad man


Bernd 05/23/2018 (Wed) 19:34:43 [Preview] No.16621 del
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>>16620
It's does.

Now I plan write some more football, and wait for the World Cup, maybe give it a try and make polanball drawings of the matches like picrel, but never did such thing so I dunno if I can manage to make it look good.


Bernd 05/23/2018 (Wed) 19:36:01 [Preview] No.16622 del
>>16621
I'm pretty sure I would need a drawing tablet how is it called.


Bernd 05/23/2018 (Wed) 19:41:36 [Preview] No.16623 del
>>16621
I would be down to watch the World Cup with you guys, not sure how interested /sp/ would be. I don't think USA qualified this year?


Bernd 05/23/2018 (Wed) 20:22:29 [Preview] No.16625 del
>>16623
We'll see. It starts on June 14.
>I don't think USA qualified this year?
She didn't. Maybe they thought they can make their own world cup tournament in soccer as well.


Bernd 05/30/2018 (Wed) 04:52:24 [Preview] No.16726 del
GDPR in action
https://www.rt.com/news/428175-facebook-privacy-trick-red-dots/
And actually this is fucking bullshit.
>requiring the user to agree to the entire privacy policy and new terms in one document
What's the problem with that? You've already had to agree to the full policy ones when you made an account, so what would change if they made the whole thing separate?
>By not making it clear to the Facebook user that they didn’t have to agree to the policy and could opt to delete their account.
It's peer pressure that keeps people in, not the obscure delete option. Those who want to delete it can and will, the others don't even read anything, don't even try to inform themselves about anything.

This case is just some red herring to obscure the real problems. That they still sell their data, make people addicts,. depressed and destroy actual social life replacing it with an artificial and empty one.


Bernd 05/30/2018 (Wed) 04:57:08 [Preview] No.16727 del
>>16726
Oh and other problems, like they don't really delete an account, that they make shadow accounts for those who don't have one, the profiling and other over 1488+ violation of human rights, their monopoly and shit like that which were all questions at the Zuck hearing but he answered "I don't know, we just helping to create targeted ads". And all these questions weren't answered and never will.


Bernd 06/07/2018 (Thu) 16:55:01 [Preview] No.17026 del
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Tfw there's money for this bullshit.
http://norman-ai.mit.edu/
First this trend that they call every fucking thing an AI when it's not an AI. Fucking pocket calculator is an AI now. Why not just baptise every algorithm AI? It would sound modern and advanced. Just look how Endchan's AI helps me visualize my thoughts to you.
Second programs don't have empathy. Psychopatism one sure component is the lack of compassion toward other people. By definition every program is a "psychopath".
Third if they make a database basically only of gruesome pictures then of course a program will only recognize this kind of stuff in every pattern they feed to it after that. Wow. Such a sensation.


Bernd 06/20/2018 (Wed) 17:41:37 [Preview] No.17437 del
>>17436
At about 0:49 the dude talks about how the small news sites will survive if search engines (like google and bing) have to pay for the snippets of articles. I believe he means smaller search engines, because this actually helps news sites, small and large.
Watched for a while, but I think I won't finish it. Again these people try to regulate something they have no idea about, but I bet they got nice fat sums into their pockets from lobbyists.


Bernd 06/20/2018 (Wed) 17:46:36 [Preview] No.17438 del
>>17436
Also this guy sounds like the anchors on RT.


Bernd 06/21/2018 (Thu) 13:38:29 [Preview] No.17447 del
I recently read a blog article that said China contributed little to open source.

https://medium.com/inside-machine-learning/is-open-source-alive-in-china-3f606aafbd3b
I read it because I didn't agree with a Taiwanese who said that China didn't contribute. I was wrong again.


Bernd 06/21/2018 (Thu) 14:56:57 [Preview] No.17449 del
>>17447
Chi-coms step over injured babies in the street, why would they be in to open source?


Bernd 06/21/2018 (Thu) 15:54:25 [Preview] No.17451 del
>>17449
Isn't it in the article?

>>17447
>I was wrong again.
That's life, so the proof that you live as well.


Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 14:52:41 [Preview] No.17471 del
What I don't understand is why there are narcotic substance in natural plants.
The funny thing is these substance might enter the environment and interact with other animals and plants. I don't know what does this mean


Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 16:29:10 [Preview] No.17476 del
>>17471
Maybe it's a defensive mechanism against pests and/or herbivores.


Bernd 06/22/2018 (Fri) 21:30:27 [Preview] No.17489 del
>>17471
There are plenty things that looks strange, like toxin-resistant animals who bear poison inside and so on. Sometimes it is hard to imagine that evolution (that must be slow and gradual) can give life to these creatures without them going extinct in process.


Bernd 06/23/2018 (Sat) 23:35:50 [Preview] No.17498 del
>>17489
That's whats confusing to me too. Biology and ecology and evolution are so complicated to me. They involve so many interactions
I mean I heard that some inspects eat toxic plants to accumulate toxin in itself. So that's a result of million years of evolution.
Then we have this news of the chemicals made by human activities (antibiotics, hormones, heavy metals) affecting the natural environment.
Makes me wonder if the two things are related


Bernd 06/26/2018 (Tue) 12:29:02 [Preview] No.17549 del
>>17498
>I mean I heard that some inspects eat toxic plants to accumulate toxin in itself. So that's a result of million years of evolution.

I don't understand fully how this is "started". As far as I know, mutations coulnd't be very serious or subject will die, so process must be slow. For example, some snake gets very lightly toxic substance in saliva for some reason. If it gets more, it could die from own toxin.

Or same thing with horns, non-horned animal couldn't easily grow large horn in few generation, it must be slow thickening of bone that will result in horn in million years.

But these small steps aren't good for survival. If some cow has slightly more thick head bone, it doesn't really increases survival chance - there is much more random things like muscles etc, so this bone factor wouldn't be noticed. It would give preference to subject only when it grows much more. And mutations happen in random, so there will be no trend to increase that factor.


Bernd 06/26/2018 (Tue) 20:03:05 [Preview] No.17571 del
>>17559
Well again the large companies can tell what the decision makers should think on stuff they don't know nothing about. And not just the technology itself isn't understood by them but it's use.


Bernd 07/07/2018 (Sat) 00:00:15 [Preview] No.17783 del
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So I wrote some (faily superficial) intro about GIMP and animation for our hungarobernd here >>17775 but that thread is mostly unrelated so I suppose I couldn't do worse by posting it here...

Well, actually not so much more to say but let's see, first I should say that I didn't actually use any of the plug-ins since what I needed was very simple

As mentioned, for involved animation work some plug-in is necessary because there's almost none of the typical animation devices built-in, for example there's no timeline. The most featureful one is GAP (which for my system comes in a separate package), though still not a typical animation system, instead more like a collection of animation-related tools. It's a relatively complex array of tools so I won't say more, you should read the tutorials in the official documentation. Then there's also this FAnim plug-in which is evidently much simpler, maybe too simple
https://github.com/douglasvini/gimp-fanim

actually, if you need to animate seriously perhaps should just use some other appropriate tool, maybe Krita or Synfig:
https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/animation.html
https://www.synfig.org/

however, if you just need to run through a few handdrawn frames then you simply make each one into a layer (bottom-most layer is the initial frame). You can use layers normally for editing but at the end of the process there should be one visible layer for each frame. Some remarks:
- you can control frame period (and therefore frame rate) globally in the GIF export window
- to override the period of individual frames you edit the corresponding layer's name so that it includes the text '(<period>ms)' where <period> is some integer duration in milliseconds
- similarly, you can override the 'transition method' between frames: if you put '(replace)' in the name then the frame replaces the previous, while '(combine)' merges the frame into the previous (the default is to combine)
- useful things under Filters/Animation:
* the Playback tool for previewing
* the Optimise for GIF tool for reducing file size: assuming the frames are combined, it will remove redundant pixels
* the few pre-made effects are mildly interesting but AFAICS they apply to the whole image, so in order to combine them you would need to separate parts of the image into different documents apply the filters and then blend the parts again into a single composite animation. this quickly becomes unwieldy doing manually and is the kind of process that GAP should help you manage.


Bernd 07/07/2018 (Sat) 00:03:59 [Preview] No.17784 del
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>>17783
That thing about editing the layer name to change the frame properties is a blatant hack. This was bothersome for me because I needed to control the timing of frames broadly over dozens of frames and doing so manually was obviously out the question so I wrote some bydlo-level lisp to automate that. Here is simple example:

(define (-1+ n)
(- n 1))

(define (rename-all-layers image renamer)
(let*
((res (gimp-image-get-layers image))
(nlayers (car res))
(layers (vector->list (cadr res)))
(loop
(lambda (total-layers layers)
(if (> (length layers) 0)
(let*
((layer (car layers))
(layer-index (-1+ (length layers)))
(layer-name (renamer layer layer-index total-layers)))
(begin
(display "calling (gimp-item-set-name ")
(display layer)
(display " ")
(display layer-name)
(display ")\n")
(gimp-item-set-name layer layer-name)
(loop total-layers (cdr layers))))
(display "done\n")))))
(loop nlayers layers)))

(define (rename-all-frames-with-duration-curve image duration-func)
(let
((frame-renamer
(lambda (layer index total-layers)
(string-append "frame "
(number->string index)
" ("
(number->string (duration-func total-layers index))
"ms)"))))
(rename-all-layers image frame-renamer)))

(define (rename-all-frames-with-constant-duration image duration-ms)
(rename-all-frames-with-duration-curve image (lambda (t i) duration-ms)))

; time(index) = -2*(index-total/2)**2 + max_time
(define (square-timer total-layers layer-index)
(let ((max-duration 150))
(trunc (round (+ (* -2 (pow (- layer-index (/ total-layers 2)) 2)) max-duration)))))


Then entering something like:

(rename-all-frames-with-duration-curve 1 square-timer)


Would rename all layers in image with ID '1' (use '(gimp-image-list)' to list IDs) so that each frame period is determined by a polynomial (the 'square-timer' function). The result in this case would be the frame rate smoothly decreasing at a quadratic rate from start until middle of the animation and then increasing again. to change the timing you change the function (to make it more general one would need to implement some bezier algorithm here)

So that's the memo.


sage Bernd 07/07/2018 (Sat) 00:06:32 [Preview] No.17785 del
>>17784
fucku endchan that code is properly indented


Bernd 07/07/2018 (Sat) 07:05:40 [Preview] No.17790 del
>>17783
>to override the period of individual frames you edit the corresponding layer's name so that it includes the text
That's a tip that I needed! I remember setting different times from years ago but not how I did it.
I'll look into the GAP.

>>17784
That is something I surely won't use but thanks anyway I read it through, it could be prove useful in some other way.

>>17785
You also didn't säge properly. For some reason it's not easy to do that here.


Bernd 07/08/2018 (Sun) 09:48:58 [Preview] No.17808 del
>>17785
bo could patch css:
pre {
white-space: pre-wrap;
line-height: 75%;
}


Bernd 07/11/2018 (Wed) 15:14:37 [Preview] No.17857 del
>>17808
While not many codes are written on our boards if BO can he should fix it. No pressure tho.


Bernd 07/12/2018 (Thu) 16:37:43 [Preview] No.17891 del
>>17857
>>17808
Okay I found 2 css files on my computer, one from april that was retrieved from internet archive and one from may that I don't know it's origin. I'm assuming later is the current one but let me know if something stops working. Sadly endchan doesn't allow modification of currently uploaded css file, I have to upload entire file again.


Bernd 07/14/2018 (Sat) 08:03:46 [Preview] No.17907 del
>>17891
Ok now, and no needed old Css file is need simply download css browser according URL: http://endchan.net/kc/custom.css http://s6424n4x4bsmqs27.onion/kc/custom.css
e.g.


Bernd 07/21/2018 (Sat) 07:08:54 [Preview] No.18025 del
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So last Saturday I made a piece of cordage from stinging nettle then I tore the end so I stopped because I didn't have much more fibers anyway. Because I made it fresh it was full of water which soaked my skin and I got blisters during work. I think the technique is called reverse-wrap and it needs for me to hold the cord tight and twist it which was hard on my wet skin.
Next day I gathered more nettle and processed it into fibers (look at those hairs on pic #2) and let it dry for a day which also gave some time for my hands to heal. Then I started a new cord and made a little bit every day. Now I have 2m and 30cm long cordage and enough fibers for at least the double of it if not triple.
I primitive technology nao!


Bernd 07/21/2018 (Sat) 07:41:49 [Preview] No.18026 del
Rope making is an ancient trade I'm sure there are several ways to do it and many plants to use (e.g. ancient Egyptians used palm fibers I think). One can find bunch of videos on youtube for example how to do it from stinging nettle. This dude makes precise instructional vids of such things:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DFJPlp3hic8 [Embed]
I do the splicing little bit differently: if one ends starts to be too thin or it ends soon I put another fiber there bended asymmetrically (usually very asymmetrically). To be honest I do very bad job as my string has varied thickness not just there where I splice it. At certain places it is very awkward to thin the fibers, mature nettle grow "branches" and these leave s little stump on the fiber after I get rid of them.
I suspect I should tear the fibers into more thinner strands and roll a bunch together for use.

Here's another instructional by Ray Mears with a different technique (well it's the same in it's core):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lQHvqWCN5Eo [Embed]


Bernd 07/21/2018 (Sat) 20:17:54 [Preview] No.18033 del
>>18025
>how to kill yourself in a survival situation
kek


Bernd 07/21/2018 (Sat) 20:30:37 [Preview] No.18034 del
>>18033
You probably die of starvation before you make enough rope out of nettle that sturdy enough to hang yourself.


Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 10:59:20 [Preview] No.18885 del
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Bernd 09/01/2018 (Sat) 11:10:36 [Preview] No.18886 del
>>18885
That has to be a hoax.


Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 19:21:20 [Preview] No.18943 del
terrys not dead he was recently arrested


Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 19:27:41 [Preview] No.18945 del
>>18943
They arrest crazy people?


Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 22:42:39 [Preview] No.18948 del
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>>18943
Terry is not dead, he lives in our hearts.


Bernd 09/03/2018 (Mon) 23:29:22 [Preview] No.18952 del
>>18945
i dont know (ive never been arrested, bernd)

oh and edit: he is dead? maybe. i dont know...


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 05:14:05 [Preview] No.18955 del
Is this Terry dude cyberpunk?
>OS is the temple of God
Maybe lines of bits can be souls as well?


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 14:31:39 [Preview] No.18957 del
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>>18885
>tfw the CIA niggers won
F ;_;


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 15:16:55 [Preview] No.18959 del
>>18957
So, he's actually dead?


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 15:24:11 [Preview] No.18960 del
>>18959
I don't know, all we have are the facebook posts from his family. I guess we can't expect a dead homeless guy to show up in the news or anything, so we'll just have to wait and see if he ever does another livestream.


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 15:29:28 [Preview] No.18962 del
>>18957
I bet that cpu has heavenly cooling.

>>18959
>>18960
Maybe an IT oriented blog or news site will confirm it.


Bernd 09/04/2018 (Tue) 21:23:35 [Preview] No.18978 del
its almost as if he was massively ill, mentally, im glad that isnt the truth though. cia fuck fuck glow in the dark hahahaha the internet is such a funny place


Bernd 09/05/2018 (Wed) 05:26:42 [Preview] No.18983 del
sorry


Bernd 09/05/2018 (Wed) 14:58:30 [Preview] No.18986 del
>>18983
It's ok.


Bernd 09/07/2018 (Fri) 17:02:16 [Preview] No.19057 del


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 05:14:57 [Preview] No.19627 del
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Redbull me on Tor.
So it seems to me that it makes my traffic anonymous by redirecting it through nodes (proxies) and applying https encryption.
But physically my traffic goes through whatever infrastructure Hungary has and there will be one device before it leaves the country and where they can just sniff my shit out of the tube and capture my traffic easy peasy. Isn't this make it somewhat pointless?


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 13:00:48 [Preview] No.19629 del
>>19627
>Redbull me on Tor.
USA MIIIC-originated software supposedly to anonymize network data.There are a few theories about the true purpose of TOR after release outside us miiiiic circles. an interesting one is that usa wanted a method for segregating potentially "interesting" traffic from just regular internet kot and pr0n traffic, so they pushed this tor thing propagandizing it as the best countermeasure *against* prying eyes in order to get those interested in privacy to use it, the catch being that TOR is ineffective against a global adversarial observer, which of course the usa is, as snowden told us

>So it seems to me that it makes my traffic anonymous
depends on your anonymity requirements, iow on who your adversary is. More precisely it makes your traffic harder to follow and trace back to you

>by redirecting it through nodes (proxies)
correct, 3 nodes in standard configuration

>and applying https encryption.
not quite
tls (the encryption system used in https) is a standard with several versions and a large number of {en,de}cryption mechanisms (ciphersuites) the internode encryption in tor is related to that in tls but is singular, old, and significantly worse than the best tls can offer today

>But physically my traffic goes through whatever infrastructure Hungary has
naturally

>and there will be one device before it leaves the country
correct (assuming it leaves the country at all)

>and where they can just sniff my shit out of the tube and capture my traffic easy peasy. Isn't this make it somewhat pointless?
Your traffic will leave your computer (technically your configured tor node client software, normally running locally in your computer) already encrypted three times over (once for each node in your chosen tor circuit) additionally, the connection to your final target destination may be encrypted as well, so that will add a fourth layer of encryption (for example, when visiting an https site over TOR)
Whether Hungary can [pay for enough farms/quantumcomputerslol to] crack that is another question.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 13:40:41 [Preview] No.19630 del
>>19627
>>19629
Also TOR INC (the company that receives the 6 figure donation$$$) is stuffed full of sjw loonies/feminist nutcases/slandering whores.

>the catch being that TOR is ineffective against a global adversarial observer, which of course the usa is, as snowden told us
But most countries in the world are not so this also helps further their goal of NO ONE BUT US. The spy agencies in your government might not be able to see and track your traffic, but USA will

>3 nodes in standard configuration
That's if your traffic leaves the network. But if it stays inside (.onion services) there will be from 1 to 3 more for the other side of the connection.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 14:36:47 [Preview] No.19631 del
>>19627
The data is encrypted, so they can see that you are connected to the Tor network but nothing that you access through it. Like this guy >>19629 it isn't useful for hiding from CIA and shit but is fine for hiding your traffic from ISPs and your local government, hence why it's popular in countries like China and Iran.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 16:12:35 [Preview] No.19634 del
>>19629
>>19630
>>19631
Thanks.
Is tls that hard to crack? I'd assume it would take some good graphic cards.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 17:12:36 [Preview] No.19635 del
>>19634
assuming only traditional computers (aka real computers), it's very expensive, too expensive to do in bulk for very wealthy government and completely unaffordable for other
more effective strategyy is timing correlation: observe and record the flow of packets even if cannot read because encryption, then correlate them to reconstruct original chain from you to each of the proxies to the target (break anonymity), then just read or break target encryption layer (break confidentiality)
this is very easy and effective, the only difficulty is being able to observe enough connection points (be global adversary)
but sometimes you don't need to, for example if you connect from hungary to tor to hungary target, then single government can observe entry and exit which is only a bit more difficult but still easy to correlate

which also shows why that
>>19631
>>The data is encrypted, so they can see that you are connected to the Tor network but nothing that you access through it
is not so simple in fact, just imagine connection: you (hungary) -> tor -> http (plaintext) target website (hungary)
then hungary government can know WHO and WHAT very easy


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 17:33:31 [Preview] No.19636 del
>>19634
I say this >>19635 for TOR case, but if you mean normal tls used in https pki then there are many attacks
just an example: use your own CA to issue imbersonating certificate for target, since most governments control some CA and normally browser trusts them all equally


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 17:40:25 [Preview] No.19637 del
I remember reading some polish news how police caught a guy who was doing something illegal (uploaded some cp or made a threat I don't remember). They checked that this thing was uploaded/posted at certain hour in the night and then checked that only this one dude over there was connected to TOR at this time and he got jailed pretty fast.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 18:36:11 [Preview] No.19638 del
>>19635
>>19636
Interdasting.
Yeah I guess intra-country traffic would be very easily surveillancable. No exciting Hungarian websites exists tho.
I'm not sure at all how this goes but I guess governments can ask the US government to hand over infos on a certain citizesy of theirs granted there's a good enough reason. Maybe some institutions have to discuss it or give a green light for that after evaluation of the request.

>>19637
Yeah, in our little ponds around here not many dudes would use Tor, kek.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 20:06:18 [Preview] No.19639 del
>>19637
yes this is great problem with all low latency onion networks, in fact is possible that anonymity and low latency are fundamentally opposed
in that sense, mixing networks make the contrary tradeoff: better anonymity in exchange of much greater latency
unfortunately, stupid people always want instant satisfaction and even knowledgeable people will sometimes need quick response time, so even though they exist since long time they never gain much popularity, and even I don't care about popularity in the fetishistic amerilard sense, for anonymity system popularity is very important because if very little or very related people use it then is not so hard to distinguish between them (is called anonymity set)

>>19638
sure
imbalance of resource leads to market of resource, so maybe usa will give your info in exchange of something else (laws/treaties, contracts for their businesses, other info, political influence, money, whatever)
info that they obtain by attacking other nations, including those they are trading with lol


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 20:14:02 [Preview] No.19640 del
>>19639
Do you use Tor?


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 20:19:34 [Preview] No.19641 del
>>19640
I don't see ball at his posts so, yes he does.

>>19639
How viable is security via obfuscation, blending in, hiding in plain sight? Is there any options for this? I know user agent spoofing exist for example.


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 20:27:03 [Preview] No.19642 del
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>>19630
>Also TOR INC (the company that receives the 6 figure donation$$$) is stuffed full of sjw loonies/feminist nutcases/slandering whores.

It is perfectly ok in modern IT world, especially in West. I'd be surprised if some known and popular software-related organization wouldn't be filled with these people.

It is more interesting why it works like this.

>>19641
>How viable is security via obfuscation, blending in, hiding in plain sight? Is there any options for this? I know user agent spoofing exist for example.

Every security-related question about internet must be started with some things in mind: what do you want to hide and from who you are hiding.

Because there is serious difference in methods of hiding and seeking depending on context. Tor browser already tries to obfuscate some your info (and sometimes don't: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/27845 )


Bernd 09/28/2018 (Fri) 21:08:04 [Preview] No.19643 del
>>19642
>face-of-coding.jpg
Regarding pronouns ...


Bernd 09/29/2018 (Sat) 07:41:16 [Preview] No.19647 del
One more thing related to Tor. So it can be recognized if a traffic is Tor's traffic? For example Wireshark can tell if it is, or just take a look at the captured piece and tell if there's some Tor stuff?

>>19642
You're right it's a large topic but we are discussing large topics all the time. I don't have any specific in mind just the general idea of security.
>from who
Well from everyone? If one party knows something all the others know it as well.


Bernd 09/29/2018 (Sat) 10:33:47 [Preview] No.19649 del
>>19647
>Well from everyone? If one party knows something all the others know it as well.

But there is one party that knows everything: you.

Question is actually about level of security. For example, https is ok for preventing your neighbor or local provider from getting your data, but there are multiple methods for big government agencies to get your data (from just getting encryption keys from site or having direct access to site data to spoofing certs using controlled CA). It also depends on what you hiding: fact of access, accessed data or sent data.

And people often forgot about non-tor stuff, like protecting your identity using different emails, avoiding access to some services from your own IP, etc: https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/staying-anonymous-online-silk-road-founder-mistakes/


Bernd 09/29/2018 (Sat) 18:09:34 [Preview] No.19655 del
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>>19640
I use varius anonymity/security tools, but i try to learn when is ok and when is useless
in this bbs is not important, but is not so good if someone sees tor traffic only when is imporatnt ;)

>>19641
I think you mention 2 different problems
>security via obfuscation
this is common phrase about security of cryptosystem and has specific meaning: "security of system depends on secrecy of key only" vs "security of system depends on secrecy of mechanism"
second is obfuscation and considered much worse (no serious security) because the mechanisms can be probed/guessed with more advanced methods and because is secret not much people can study and find errors etc ("secrecy breeds incompetence" t. assange)
first is considered good cryptosystem but is not always true when claimed because to be true is necessary proven mathematics and machine implementation
mathematic proof is sometimes partial (or "assuming the security of blahbla...") and the implementation proof is very rare
so pragmatically first method is required for security but you can also use obfuscation for low value extra

>blending in, hiding in plain sight
this is related to anonymity but I think maybe you misunderstand something because "darknet" (lol) is not mean "hiding out of sight" (is not invisible, probably they say "dark" because they don't understand so is dark for their mind ;) then darknet/anonymity network is also "blending in, hiding in plain sight"
anonymity objective is alwyas same: not "make invisible" (physics is hard) however is "make all sameness/indifferent"
useragent spoofing is only one example but is useless alone, there are too many more sides in the dice
think like this: imagine you want to avoid car identification and you discover in your country the most common color is blue, so you paint your car blue, but your car is old skoda that is most common white, now you maybe the only 1 or 2 weird guys with that blue skoda
result is worse: your car is more unique, less anonymous

other meaning of "hiding in plain sight" is steganography but is for confidentiality/privacy and censorship bypass not anonymity


Bernd 09/29/2018 (Sat) 18:32:14 [Preview] No.19656 del
>>19642
>>19643
I think to let this happen is is pathetic/disgrace
I have my opinions why but this is depressing topic for me because now is opposite of what attracted me....
btw there was 2 or more no flag people here but I didnt not say anything because I didn't disagree still (and "we are Anonymous" lol)

>>19647
yes, you can recognize by studying the traffic because is a bit special
and also you can recognize when the "partner" in the connection is tor node because they are publicly known
so you need to hide both if you need to hide you are using tor
there are techniques for this already but they are not 100% effective: there are "bridge" tor node that are not public and they are used before the normally first node, and then there are "pluggable transport" which are obfuscation (or miserable steganography ;) for pretending like tor traffic is another kind of traffic
also another common technique is using vpn/ssh before first node


Bernd 09/29/2018 (Sat) 19:58:04 [Preview] No.19657 del
>>19655
>>19655
>maybe you misunderstand something because "darknet" (lol) is not mean "hiding out of sight"
No, if anything using (some) anonymity tools will make you more visible. Basing on the previously written ITT and this >>19656 post Tor for example making the traffic stand out from all the other. Or using browser extensions making the browser fingerprint more unique. I meant hiding in plain sight as disguising the traffic as normie traffic, similar to the ability of user agent spoofing to make the browser fingerprint standing out less. So basically my question would be is this even possible or are such options exist.


Bernd 09/30/2018 (Sun) 06:36:46 [Preview] No.19664 del
>>19649
That's an interesting article maybe I read it or skimmed it at least on a previous occasion.
Yes people are proved to be careless and do stupid things. Somewhat related: there was a Hungarian warez site (I know of maybe there were more, or most likely were) I think it was SMS based and the kids who run it at one point started to plaster their social media with photos of themselves with their new cars and blings and shit like that when they didn't even have regular jobs.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 07:02:01 [Preview] No.19831 del
What's a good secure p2p messaging program?


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 07:32:48 [Preview] No.19832 del
>>19831
Tox (Skype), Retroshare (Kazaa/Messenger) or Twister (Twitter).


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 07:37:23 [Preview] No.19833 del
>>19831
XMPP. It's not p2p, but it's federated. If you want p2p you can set up your own server.
Not being p2p allows for way smaller resource consumption and offline messages.


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 09:05:12 [Preview] No.19834 del
>>19642
>2nd pic
Any big organization really, even before SJWs. Majority of the highly paid usually consists of those hired because of university degrees and networking (especially true for post-soviet countries afaik)


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 10:23:20 [Preview] No.19835 del
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>>19832
Thanks.
>Twister
Sure helps people getting close to each other.

>>19833
XMPP isn't just a protocol used by certain softwares (liek Pidgin or something)?


Bernd 10/07/2018 (Sun) 18:52:20 [Preview] No.19862 del
>>19832
>Tox

It is dead. Main community is inactive, security bugs are closed very slowly, people quits. There is also shortage of experienced cryptographers in project.

Promising messaging solution is Matrix (not p2p though, but federated), but it has own problems too.


Bernd 10/24/2018 (Wed) 20:41:20 [Preview] No.20257 del
Here's this article from Arsch Technica.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/10/tim-cook-calls-for-strong-us-privacy-law-rips-data-industrial-complex/
>Tech companies should de-identify customer data or not collect it at all.
>should not collect it at all
I agree with Crook in that part.
But:
>Users should always know what data is being collected and what it is being collected for.
Users in general don't care and don't even have any knowledge about what's going on. They just want to use stuff. That's also why would be better not collecting any data, then they wouldn't even need to bother with it.


Bernd 10/26/2018 (Fri) 16:45:14 [Preview] No.20294 del
>>16726
GDPR in action no.2
Two workman changed glasses in a window for us. For the receipt ofc they needed the usual data: name and address. Then they shoved an agreement under our noses to sign that they can handle our data. Such efficiency. This is progress!


Bernd 10/28/2018 (Sun) 06:27:44 [Preview] No.20323 del
Forgot it's time the set the time back with one hour. I could have slept more, goddamn I'm so sleepy.


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 20:42:32 [Preview] No.20475 del
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Have a 5L white plastic barrel with a tap which was probably designed for camping or similar situations without running water. Quite handy stuff. Now I got a 5L beer keg and started to toy with the idea to use that for heating water for washing dishes or some such as we have an electric boiler in the kitchen and it really makes difference in the bill if it is turned on or not. But warming water with gas doesn't seem like too good trade and I could use a pot instead a frikin keg. And the keg's tap is plastic anyway I can't just put it over the fire.
So my idea is that make use of that green energy and move into the 21st century. I'm planning to make a "sunny cooker" (here: https://sunnycooker.webs.com/ ) in combination with the keg which should be painted matte black to maximize heat intake. There are places in the house where I could place it for a couple of hours even in winter on sunny days, and it could work several times a day in the summer if it's not raining. During warmer months it might be possible to bring it to boiling point, I think the plastic/rubber parts could take that much heat.
I have cardboard, I need foil and paint (this one is bout 10€), and maybe a new brush. I think the thing could save the expenses back less than a year, depending on the weather ofc.

Rate.


Bernd 11/07/2018 (Wed) 22:25:10 [Preview] No.20479 del
>>20475
Bretty gud.
This sounds like a good way to lower energy/gas bills, why isn't it more popular?


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 06:28:22 [Preview] No.20483 del
>>20479
I wonder of the drawback as well. I can see it needs more fiddling - the keg needs to be filled then the warm water should be poured into the plastic barrel - from my and my family's part so it's less convenient than just turning the tap and lo warm water.
Other systems along this line could be simple to work with but most likely more labor-intensive to set it up: creating a fixed sunny place where the heating barrel stands then build the plumbing to the faucet but it still could be built relatively cheap and for greater volume of water, so maybe shower could be covered too. Or if it's an "official" thing, with the solar panels on the rooftops which creating warm water and not electricity, it will cost much which only can be cost efficient on the long run.


Bernd 11/08/2018 (Thu) 20:05:30 [Preview] No.20493 del
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>>20479

Using sun energy for water heating purposes is known thing, maybe not so popular.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_collector

Main problem that places with good solar output rarely require mass usage of hot water (except for cooking), and places that has cold climate not so good for solar power.

And even in sunny places solar energy not really reliable, even for cooking (it also couldn't produce fire), so you need to rely on other energy sources.


Bernd 11/09/2018 (Fri) 01:43:49 [Preview] No.20496 del
>>20483
If you get enough sunny weather to seriously consider those solar heating devices (or systems) and if the goal is just to shrink the electricity bill, then you should also seriously consider photovoltaic panels. Due to 'green' legislation passed in recent years in parts of USA and Europe, the cost-efficiency of solar energy can be already attractive even for small residential installations.


Bernd 11/09/2018 (Fri) 06:44:52 [Preview] No.20498 del
>>20496
As far as I know only rich people can afford that on the Hungary. "Rich" as in earning high enough wage to loan the necessary millions (in HUF). It earns back on the long run it is sure for years I saw some people invest in it at least for a decade.
To make it from scratch I would need more electrical knowledge and still would need pre-manufactured components which cost fairly high. I would have to make modifications on the house to install the stuff, on the roofs for example or make room for batteries and inverter and such. Wiring needs to be modified. Time, work, money. Would be a nice project tho.
Or you mean some small portable stuff? Maybe an immersion heater can be operated by it?


Bernd 11/11/2018 (Sun) 01:13:01 [Preview] No.20533 del
>>20493
>Main problem that places with good solar output rarely require mass usage of hot water (except for cooking), and places that has cold climate not so good for solar power.
Now that I think about it, areas with a wide daily temperature range (hot sunny daytime and cold nights) are a good niche for this.


Bernd 11/12/2018 (Mon) 16:02:13 [Preview] No.20554 del
I got a piece of flexifoam. Does Bernd have experience with it?
It says CAO #180 which means it's ceramic coated aluminium oxide and 180 grit on their scale which compares with 400-600 grit sandpaper. According to them. And if I understand it correctly. It does have similar touch to the 500 paper I have.
I'm planning to use it for knife sharpening, tested briefly with a semi-dull pocket knife. Now it's semi-sharp.:^)


Bernd 11/13/2018 (Tue) 20:25:30 [Preview] No.20566 del
I see this is a slow day for /kc/ as well. In the meantime the traffic picks up it's usual bustling I give Bernd an update.
I bought/gathered everything necessary for the project.
- The foil is about 1,5-2 €.
- I chose to buy a spray paint as it was just 3€.
- 5L plastic barrel, 10€
- 5L steel beer keg, I think it's starts from 15€ (full with beer, if you want a similar water heating system than you have to sacrifice yourself and drink the beer firs)
- cardboard (not depicted, I leave it to Bernd's imagination), cost: free? larger types come with larger household appliances, fridges, owens, washing machines..., probably could be obtained from family, friends, acquaintances, maybe from certain businesses who would just discard some, or maybe from your own workplace? hm?
So the cost of this shit, all in all is 30$ (less than 10 000 HUF). It could be cheaper as the keg is usable in this form, but it has weaker water flow than the plastic barrel, which still kinda weak. But I (my family) already had that barrel so, why not.



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