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Religion thread Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 00:23:33 [Preview] No. 11451
What do you believe in, Bernd?
Have you read the Bible?


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 04:56:42 [Preview] No. 11452 del
1. In not much nothing.
2. Parts of it but know (knew at some point) almost all of it, not precisely mind you and don't ask me to quote I can't really.
Now that you asked, I think religion, more precisely Christianity doesn't get as much credit it should. I might write more.

More important question:
How about you OP? What do you believe in? Have you read the Bible?


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 07:32:08 [Preview] No. 11456 del
im jew


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 08:16:17 [Preview] No. 11457 del
1. I don't believe in anything, even in myself
2. Yes. I like to read religion books for fun, although I read Bible when I considered myself orthodox, in past.


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 11:59:35 [Preview] No. 11461 del
I believe that humans have no ability to control their own behavior long-term, and that just like every other living organism, they will live and die according to the resources that they are able to acquire and consume. Humans will never be able to see reality from any perspectives other than those which their physically-limited brains are able to accommodate.

Humans have a tendency to organize into social groups and to cede control of their lives to them. Nations, communism, capitalism, oligarchies, kingdoms, dictatorships, churches, religions, cults, businesses, associations, and clubs are all slightly different manifestations of the same autonomous behavior.

Because this is an overall world view that I believe, and because of the inherent difficulty in testing it as a hypothesis, I have little choice but to call it a religious belief, for lack of a better term.


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 16:21:05 [Preview] No. 11462 del
1. I'm Catholic. I only started educating myself into it properly like year or two ago. I believe in current age catechization doesn't go very well.

2. New Testamet - all. Old Testament - can't get through Exodus. I think there's much more interesting stuff further in the book, but also I can't make myself skip more boring fragments.


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 16:26:39 [Preview] No. 11466 del
I liek how we cannot shut down OP, he's writing so much about his answers.

>>11456
I still don't believe you. Prove yourself by posting things only Jews can know about.

>>11457
Probably I'm not religious because in my childhood I read religious stories as tales.

>>11461
Sometimes I call such as life philosophy. I dunno the proper term in English. And too sleepy to look it up, also busy (sadly not with Morrow).


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 19:21:23 [Preview] No. 11470 del
>>11466
And if I post something only Jews know about, how would a goy like you know?


Bernd 10/26/2017 (Thu) 19:22:52 [Preview] No. 11471 del
>>11462
>Old Testament - can't get through Exodus. I think there's much more interesting stuff further in the book, but also I can't make myself skip more boring fragments.
Book of Numbers should be every asborg's favourite book.


Bernd 10/27/2017 (Fri) 05:30:50 [Preview] No. 11473 del
>>11470
I e-mail it to Space-Hitler to check if it's true.


Bernd 10/29/2017 (Sun) 15:00:21 [Preview] No. 11546 del
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>>11466
Well looks like OP is kind of OP who is gone after first post so let me kidnap this thread for my purposes.
Some time ago I mentioned american bishop Fulton Sheen. He used to run a television program that apparently was super popular in US of A something like 60 years ago. I started watching it and I must recommend it to Bernd because it's awesome. Man is very charismatic, has great voice and can present a supposedly boring topic in a very interesting way. Name of the program is "Life is worth living" and it touches various subjects related to religion, but not always. Let not the black-white colours discourage you though, the stuff he talks about is very relevant today.
I also started reading his book "Remade for happiness" and is as good as the tv show, minus the joges.
I'll post some episodes I liked most. I haven't seen them all yet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9r4t2IOPvr0 [Embed] - Angels
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IswCGFYERPs [Embed] - The Divine Sense of Humour
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J69VD-DpJ4g [Embed] - How to Think
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pJT-qfodNZU [Embed] - What is Man?


Bernd 10/29/2017 (Sun) 16:34:56 [Preview] No. 11548 del
>>11546
Just watched The Divine Sense of Humor. Right now I don't know what to think, maybe I didn't very get his point. But not bad for a sermon I can imagine why it's appealing to you. Well as much as I can know you.


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So OP Italians supposed to be religious folks considering the Holy See in Rome and such. Are you consider yourself one?

All Saints' Day is here, tomorrow the Day of the Dead. People visiting the graves of their passed. Gives a chance for relatives living far apart to give a visit and touch base. It's always nice to hear: "How did you leave those flowers there!!?? Fucking petals everywhere!!! And the melted wax! Now I have to scrape it from the marble for a year!!!


Bernd 11/07/2017 (Tue) 18:34:28 [Preview] No. 11761 del
>>11546
>Angels
That was fun.
But what's up with the other four soldiers in that hole? Where were their angels?


Bernd 11/08/2017 (Wed) 06:23:28 [Preview] No. 11775 del
>>11761
What if angels are AI.
Incorporeal, pure intellect being, helping people when they ask them. Calculating the best course of action and telling people to do it. But they could lie also about this deceiving people. Hmm.


Bernd 11/10/2017 (Fri) 21:39:47 [Preview] No. 11823 del
>>11548
I don't have time to rewatch it right now, but I think the point is that because of God's sense of humour (as defined by Sheen) there is implication that when looking into God's teaching we should look deeper than just that literal layer, and that biblical literalists, both believers and sceptics, might be missing a lot of stuff.

>>11621
>All Saints Day
was here as well, fortunately no more fights like you described, graves are being taken care of on regular basis, at least in my family

>>11761
>>11775
>Where were their angels?
Good question, I don't know. I'll ask Sheen when I get to heaven.
>Calculating the best course of action
I'm not so sure about this. Angels as pure intellects and without material parts would be perceiving everything on a completely different basis than us. No material brain so no neurons to calculate, they just know stuff or don't, no? I don't know. I'm not sure if there is some more angelology than what has Sheen explained. I know that they're very mysterious being and it will probably stay that way.
Now I'm thinking that there would be 6 gorillion reasons for "where were their angels?". The jew was talking about reading New Testament, so maybe he converted after this event?


Bernd 11/18/2017 (Sat) 23:18:26 [Preview] No.12007 del
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I don't know if Bernd likes this kind of reading, but I just found this text about a supposed living saint who made pact with the devil to do some miracles. It was quite an interesting read and bit scary too.
http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2011/12/sister-magdalena-of-cross-nun-who-made.html


Bernd 11/19/2017 (Sun) 07:29:23 [Preview] No.12010 del
>>12007
>made pact with the devil
Spoopy.
>if Bernd likes this kind of reading
Yeah, why not?


Bernd 11/19/2017 (Sun) 21:01:11 [Preview] No.12033 del
>>12010
Spoopy indeed. I like stories from exorcists in general, they are very spoopy. Especially when I have rather strong imagination and whatever story I hear or read I immediately place myself into it.
Here's another, but this time a bit funny.
https://www.olrl.org/stories/exorcism.shtml


Bernd 11/19/2017 (Sun) 21:36:37 [Preview] No.12034 del
>>12007
So.
Here's what I think.
People in all epoch were similar but different at the same time. Understanding their acts and motivations cannot go without understanding the spirit of their time and age they lived in. Back then in Spain (and of course other parts of Europe) the Christian faith were their reality. They listened it every Sunday they lived by it every day they talked about it they drunk it and eat it.
So.
There were that poor schizophrenic girl who saw stuff and did stuff by his understanding of the world and life. And they thought she's touched by God and they respected and honored her. Then they saw she's good money maker - Greed is a huge motivator in all time and age - and they made her more popular. So popular that the idea to make this crazy girl into nun boss became popular as well. Then they made nun boss out of her. She said she is unfit for this role but they didn't care. Then it turned out she's crazy... But she was still popular and it needed lots of time until they could say: all right that's enough, we have to do sumtin. And because she was crazy they could manipulate her into the role of a possessed. Then some dudes like Ignatius of Loyola could claim they "knew it!" this type of after the fact knowing is so typical they "doubted her all along!" and they could add her story to their resume to embellish their reputation - giving us an example on Pride as a timeless motivator.


Bernd 11/19/2017 (Sun) 21:37:56 [Preview] No.12035 del
>>12033
And btw my freinds, who, to put it delicately, are not the most devout christians out there, also had some spoopy stories because they used to go to supposedly haunted places and shit like this. Once they showed me a video from some abandoned house or factory where there was a strange source of light recorded by the camera, but they didnt see it with their eyes. That thing passed by them at the same time when one of the guy was saying "I have a feeling something is here". He used to be into occultism stuff and such and often brought this strange kind of things on himself.
I wonder if they still have it, maybe I could post it here.


Bernd 11/19/2017 (Sun) 21:52:30 [Preview] No.12037 del
>>12034
very sceptical of you tbh


Bernd 11/20/2017 (Mon) 06:46:28 [Preview] No.12045 del
>>12037
I think I am.
Back then they didn't know many things about the human condition in the biological/medical sense and they made their explanations on the basis of the Bible, Christianity and superstitions. A delusions and hallucinations of a schizophrenic could be interpreted as miraculous things, the doings of God or the Satan - but which one's it was decided by purely human factors most of the time.
Ehh, I've to go.


Bernd 12/01/2017 (Fri) 09:55:07 [Preview] No.12241 del
https://www.rt.com/uk/411519-gay-prince-george-church/
Holy fuck Angl*cans are disgusting.
What happens when John Sentamu dies and there will be no upright melanic gentleman opposing those sodomite milkskins' depravities?


Bernd 12/01/2017 (Fri) 13:29:17 [Preview] No.12244 del
>>12241
Can't some higher-up excommunicate Kevin Holdsworth and his degeneracy-enabling friends? Maybe even the Queen could step in to impose morality, it's her Church after all.


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Bernd 12/01/2017 (Fri) 18:24:35 [Preview] No.12251 del
>>12034
Oh what I forgot. The inquisition usually tested the suspects' sanity and there were cases (maybe even in the majority of them) so they don't burn innocent nutcases the people blamed for their misfortune. They were aware of mental problems so this might be a plus for the side that believes that Magdalena's case is legit as they could have recognized earlier her condition. On the other hand I don't have even a light purple steam about how they diagnosed such disorders maybe they searched for a wyrm in the heda so they might not even recognized she's nuts.


Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 20:07:46 [Preview] No.12392 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VuARkDtk0mY [Embed]
Have you left shoes near doors yesterday, Bernd?


Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 20:20:35 [Preview] No.12394 del
>>12392
Yes. I got wine and cashew. And of course virgas...


Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 20:31:22 [Preview] No.12397 del
>>12392
Erm. You?


Bernd 12/06/2017 (Wed) 20:34:25 [Preview] No.12400 del
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>>12397
I live alone and there's no parents to pretend st nicholaus left some goodies in my shoes. At least I got some chocolate santa at werk


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>>12400
That's sad, Bernd.
>no parents to pretend st nicholaus
We now do it on the base of reciprocity. I bought chocolate and tangerine tengerine hehe. Well to be honest all the stuff is for the whole family. Except muh cashews. They go into muh oats.

Here it's very popular to give dildo shaped chocolate St Nicholas to each other since forever.


Bernd 12/08/2017 (Fri) 19:19:22 [Preview] No.12457 del
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>>12407
Next day in work got me even more chocolate wew. I also visited my niece in hospital and brough her one. It's also populat here.
>tangerine tengerine
In polish it's called "mandarynka"


Bernd 12/08/2017 (Fri) 20:59:09 [Preview] No.12459 del
>>12457
Next time tell her the gang wishes she'll get well soon.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 05:34:24 [Preview] No.12480 del
>>11451
Looks like my Casey Bible reading threads are self-replicating now. :3
The Good News is a powerful message.
>What do you believe in, Bernd?
I believe Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead three days later. Which essentially makes me Christian.
I never doubted a Divine entity influencing my life (agnostic), but finding and accepting the truth in the Bible was the best thing ever happened to me.
Since then that agnostic feel turned into strong faith.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 07:48:18 [Preview] No.12481 del
>>12480
You should got baptized by one of the Churches if you aren't. You would fit right into Catholicism for example.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 07:50:03 [Preview] No.12482 del
>>12457
>mandarynka
How cute and adorable. We call it mandarin to be frank so no "tengerine" for us.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 08:53:33 [Preview] No.12483 del
>>12480
People turn to religion when they sense their own death. I think HW is feeling his boneitis. 2018 may be his last year. I remember my grandma went to lourdes.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 13:46:49 [Preview] No.12507 del
>>12483
That is sometimes the case yes, but I also heard of people who would remain stubborn to the end.
HW didn't had a luxurious life so tbh he probably had other reasons.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 18:43:14 [Preview] No.12521 del
>>12481
>You should got baptized by one of the Churches if you aren't. You would fit right into Catholicism for example.
That would mean I would get registered as Christian by the (((state))). I don't feel so good about this.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 20:11:17 [Preview] No.12523 del
>>12521
The Paranoid German posts again?


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 21:43:07 [Preview] No.12524 del
>>12523
Well, with the help of IBM the Reich started registering Jews in the early 20th century. You know what happened later with this data.


Bernd 12/10/2017 (Sun) 22:59:03 [Preview] No.12525 del
I believe in reflective semiology. It has two tenets, that words cannot capture the truth as-is because they won't escape the positivist dilemma, and that people will regardless ignore this fact, but do so selectively based on the limits of their focus. Essentially, everything is a figure of speech, but secularists will pretend to be autisticly accurate when it suits them but can't hold to that standard consistently.

Prime example is how atheists become massively anal bible thumpers when they're trying to discredit it, but will write into law contemporary shit like "marriage now just means legal union, because the definition has changed, lol". The "oh, you know what I meant, so it was okay to be wrong" defense. Incidentally, the protestant Christianity I hail from has to constantly return to the source and re-translate Arameic and Latin texts because contemporary secularists can't hold to a definition of an English word for more than 50-odd years. But fedora-atheists will keep growing up believing strongly that "father" has never correctly meant "creator" or something like that, just a legal guardian (if during that time that's how most people in their flock understand the word). If not "father", then any and all other words they fail to properly scrutinize in context.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 01:44:45 [Preview] No.12526 del
>>12525
Haha. Failing to know what "father" means really fucks up the whole Christianity.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 02:40:08 [Preview] No.12531 del
Religion is for weak cucks who don't want to admit they're gonna die and the party will go on without them.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 04:21:59 [Preview] No.12532 del
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>>12531
Christians are enjoying eternal life.
The party doesn't even start before entering the Heavens.


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>>12532
>eternal life.

This may be not so good thing at all.

t. very tired of this life already


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 07:06:40 [Preview] No.12534 del
>>12533
>this life
this life is not the same as the next. Lucifer is the prince of the world, it's a demi-hell.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 07:34:01 [Preview] No.12535 del
>>12534
>this life is not the same as the next. Lucifer is the prince of the world, it's a demi-hell.

This life forced me to learn that promises about good future almost always are lie. Like politicians speeches or economists forecasts. Why one must believe to religious promises, are they special?


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 07:45:10 [Preview] No.12536 del
>>12535
>are they special?
Yes.
The promises of politicians and economists are told in the selfish hope they will profit from you believing in them. Religious promises are there to comfort you or to better yourself (for your own or society's sake). Such promises and beliefs are selfless on their own. However yes it's true that religious bureaucrats tend to use them as political promises.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 07:47:43 [Preview] No.12537 del
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>>12532
The Party is eternal.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 07:48:43 [Preview] No.12538 del
>>12537
Oh I meant as a reply to
>>12532
and
>>12531


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 08:03:56 [Preview] No.12539 del
>>12524
Their data were sold to marketing agencies, data companies and The Government?

>>12525
I think both religious and atheist people are capable of getting too anal about religious texts if that suits their needs.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 11:19:39 [Preview] No.12541 del
>>12536
So, if I can find someone who's profitting from me obeying religious promises, then they're likely false?
Got it.


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 12:31:55 [Preview] No.12544 del
>>11451
Islam


Bernd 12/11/2017 (Mon) 12:47:18 [Preview] No.12545 del
>>12541
>use them as political promises
>are political promises
There's a difference between the two statements.

>>12544
U slam?


Bernd 12/13/2017 (Wed) 20:23:03 [Preview] No.12567 del
>>12544
Nice hat poland


Bernd 12/14/2017 (Thu) 17:34:36 [Preview] No.12568 del
>>12539
>both
Sure, to the definition of hypocrisy it's essential that both hypocrites and non-hypocrites agree on exactly one half of the issue. The line just isn't drawn on the axis of "religious" and "atheist" people, partly because of the atheist pretention that it is. The very beginning of that is how contemporary atheists to begin with muddle the line between ideology and praxis, in a way that would not be a lie to call postmodernist, even as it often is justified as direct opposition to postmodernism. If they called themselves Nietschean nihilists I would blame it on nihilism (like critics of the time did do), but chances are if they were aware enough to call themselves that they probably would also be capable of drawing that line correctly anyway and I wouldn't have to. Or I wouldn't be smart enough to notice some even deeper duplicity.

In Greek terminology theo was not such a blind personal faith in a group of men in the sky on mount Olympos, and atheism was a similar figure of speech as "god is dead", but modern atheists set up their blind non-faith statements by strawmanning non-postmodernist actions as absolute romantic naivete. Their narrative necessitates they they act like children pointing out that the emperor has no clothes to all of the adults, but that itself is what relying on a father figure in place of your own cosmic adulthood means. That is WWJD in practice, the reformation of Judaism into Christianity. Calling this practice "non-religious" does nothing but open the door for people who only use the movement as a purity test, and you're left trying to close the door with whining about "you're just like a religion", to feminism, to atheism+, to aron ra and the like. Culturally you've already lost because you started with a broken premise and there's no going back far enough to reverse it.


Bernd 12/15/2017 (Fri) 05:38:59 [Preview] No.12570 del
I know that you are not your beliefs and that beliefs doesn't change who you are. I also know what theos means: absolute principle. However, theos (greek) isn't deos/deus (latin), which deos comes from daimon (greek). Religions that makes theos into another daimon are literally demonic cults. Deism is literally Demonism, rejects theos just like most daimon worshippers pantheistic, theistic, atheistic, etc., which are all together ignorant, guilty of agnosis of theos and so don't know that they don't know, yet pretend to know that they do know despite not truly knowing, which it's okay to not know, but those that don't know can do nothing but seek after what they don't know which is impossible. They can reject many misconceptions but until they understand theos in their love of wisdom, they have no right to tell others that they know the truth of which is not within a spectrum in between an illusion of dualities, it transcends it. Semiology is child's play compared to this, for semiology is stuck under semantic ramblings of those that partake in logomachy because such people don't know how to use grammar as a tool to correct the words being used to properly represent the idea behind the words, which is why they can't come to know the truth nor convey it in words with the right ideas behind them while educating people to some introductory concepts while building upon them towards higher and higher concepts. Purification of falsehoods are impossible through "semiotics" by a bunch of academicians that sniff each other's butts, repeat what others had said before them, and strengthen groupthink which then suppresses actual paradigm shifting progress that they pretend to foster and understand yet instead they suppress and criticize in fear, uncertainty, and doubt of their own ignorance towards the absolute principle as if it was a mystery.


Bernd 12/15/2017 (Fri) 09:57:27 [Preview] No.12571 del
>>12570
>However, theos (greek) isn't deos/deus (latin)
correct
>which deos comes from daimon (greek).
incorrect

daimon is cognate to damnum, so damnation, and also time within English
deus is directly cognate with Zeus.


Bernd 12/15/2017 (Fri) 15:19:59 [Preview] No.12580 del
>>12571
daimon > daemon = deus, though daemon and deus are synonyms in some respect though daemon usually implies a lesser deity in a pantheon, but a daimon's not necessitatively evil, only evil daimons are, which Zeus isn't treated as an evil daimon. The "demonizaton" of daimon is really the demonization of daio/fortune distribution for maleficent, nefarious purposes for the love of money being the root of all evil in Christian "Theology", which daimons controlled the distribution of fortunes although anthropomorphized in treating them like literal entities that have the means to manifest itself in the physical plane, which Hellenic rationalism rejects the literal interpretation of myths as well as the notion that a principality manifesting itself into being still retains its status, for they had fallen into matter like Narcissus falling into the reflection of the water, so anyone that's in the physical world is a fallen mortal being that needs to return to the kingdom of heaven, the realm of the gods. Daimon is not a phantasm, never was a phantasm. However, the Catholic church and almost every Christian sect believed in this literal reinterpretation of Daimons even though there's no physical proof of daimons to "exist" except people and animals whose souls descended into physicality instead of ascending to become one with the theos/monad which the divine mind/nous is inseparable with the unmanifest potential of the absolute agathos. Philosophers didn't literally believe that there were many gods, but the symbols being used behind it to explain metaphysical concepts, like designating Zeus as the demiurgos/nous while designating Chronos as the monad, treating Eros like the Sanctus Spiritus/Psyche tou Pantos that descend and ascend intermediating to the mortals and the gods. Xaos is the universe which the Psyche tou Pantos consubstantially manifest itself through matter within Xaos, which there's no beginning nor end to Xaos, it's the posterior attribution to the interior principle of the nous, which you could say Xaos is the "shadow" of the nous, it is in the shape of the nous, had always existed, but it isn't creation, it's emanation. Pythagoreans, Platonist, Neoplatonists, they all understood monistic panentheism, that the one came from the many. pt 1


Bernd 12/15/2017 (Fri) 15:20:20 [Preview] No.12581 del
>>12571
pt 2 Christianity was moving towards monism by people like Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopigate, the Christian Trinity became a literal interpretation instead of a symbolic one. The Pythagorean Trinity was the Monad, Nous, and Psyche tou Pantos which is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, yet all three were divinely united but the Monad is the center, the Nous is around that, and the Psyche tou Pantos being around that, which the Nous is what the Monad does (Aoristos Dyad) while the Psyche tou Pantos is the emanation/extension of the Nous. This was treated as an "heresy" called Subordinationism which the likes of Origen had promoted Jesus the deuteros theos being of different substance and so a distinction is there despite being one which is also called Modalism, yet it wasn't strictly Modalism nor Subordinationism, and the Psyche tou Pantos is consubstantial to the Nous, so what the Council of Nicea did was effectively rejected the theos, while the Orthodox churches pretending to be strong Platonists had failed to understand why the Athanasian Creed is wrong. Damnum means loss, it's the unwanted result of loss fortune(material or immaterial), which that loss is relative since there's agathodaimon/good angels and kakodaimon/evil angels, but both are different ways of conceptualizing the unmanifested Psyche tou Pantos in contrast to the consubstantially manifested Psyche tou Pantos that animates matter. Those that sought to be like angels on earth are charitable, but those that sought to be like demons on earth are "damned", disqualified for ascension because they seek existential materials instead of seeking to be one with theos which what the Orthodox church does get right about Theoria/Theurgy, subject synthesis with the absolute principle in achieving stillness in becoming the unmovable mover that's in the center of the cosmic chariot wheel/throne of God.


Bernd 12/15/2017 (Fri) 18:08:08 [Preview] No.12583 del
>>12580
>>12581
oh, you mean by meaning, not by etymology

in that case yeah, but also note that "god" in English equally has connotation of lesser deities, higher deities were addressed as tîw in Anglo-Saxon, the root survives only in Tuesday so the correct form in English would be Tue, not God.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 00:54:13 [Preview] No.12590 del
>>12583
English is an ever adaptive lingua franca language just like most modern languages, and etymology doesn't always depends on context and interpretation from different viewpoints. Dialectical languages like Prakrit, Greek and Latin are most often abused or misinterpreted by religious reinterpretation in order to just sound like they know what the meaning behind the words mean when again, it changes in context and so from that lower materialistic, literal perspective, when looking into concepts that seems to be religious but are dealing with idiosyncratic, philosophical, metaphysical symbolism of immaterial forms that are actually ineffable, well such meaning is lost in translation. It takes some level of patience and critical thinking to decipher the meaning behind the words used in the context of how the authors uses it as tools to convey ideas and how to come to those conclusions in explaining the very thought process to the refining and purification of the conceptions from any misconceptions. Of course the modern use of "G"od in English is based on the King James Bible capitalizing god to signify separation/holiness from the lesser gods, which is done because for one, Hebrew never use capital letters, and two, when translated into English, I think the Anglicans thought that we wouldn't know which god/el was being referred to in the context and to simplify things, they had capitalized the g when it was the God of Israel. In the Koine Greek of the New Testament, Theos was used to describe El, the God of Israel, yet at the same time, had been interpreted by some Middle Platonist Pharisees to imply that the philosophical use of Theos was El, but that reinterpretation of El as Theos was again lost in translation because Christianity had taken the literalist approach, as well as trying to understand Greek through Hebrew and reinterpret some Greek philosophers through the Hebraic context which is etymologically and contextually false. Academia still favor Stoicism, Greek Atomism, and extreme relativism over Neoplatonism not only because of bias and peer review/group think but because those people try to read Greek from a Judeo-Christian perspective, which even the translators of Neoplatonic writ had failed to understand what they're even translating and consequently mistranslate the dialectic concept through transliteration or plain old stupidity. Catholicism is guilty of reading Latin from both a pagan and Christian perspective, had most often misunderstood the writings of Hermes Trismegistus, and neither did the Renaissance/Humanist scholars had understood the real emerald tablets even if they can do a literal translation, the meaning of the words behind it is lost by such people despite being anti-Aristotelian, some were instead, neostoics and merely pretended to understand what Plato really meant, though there were some attempts to understand metaphysics through Christian symbolism by people like Jakob Bohme.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 01:01:55 [Preview] No.12591 del
>>11451
To answer the questions of the OP, yes I have read the bible, but I don't always take the symbolism used literally while any worthwhile symbolism are not explained in the bible but from Akkadian, Egyptian, Persian, and Greek cultures that they've borrowed from as a part of their myth, yet their beliefs changed from the Old to the New of which if you bring together people from the Old Testament and the New Testament together, neither of them will agree with each other, just as Christendom as a whole can't agree with each other and will even consider to murder each other when they're all unfortunately mislead and are wrong, every single self proclaimed follower of Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Iudaeorum don't know why they hate Platonism yet had borrowed many ideas from the Greeks into their system by tradition or by some doctrines which various "Church Fathers" tried to make their own version of Neoplatonism into Christianity but ultimately failed to truly understand it, let alone, the definition of Logos, Theos, Gnosis, Hairesis, Eros, Philo, Agape, etc. Islam and Judaism's attempt to adopt Neoplatonism had failed just the same as Christianity had. Neoplatonic Paganism/Pagan Neoplatonism might work, but the point of it is to explain critical Neoplatonic thinking through those myths to explain metaphysics, not to try to make some in between between Neoplatonism and Paganism. None of what I've said is my relative belief, feeling or even preference. I only deal with what is ontologically true, not what's epistemologically sound based on doctrines formed by groupthink of how the bible should be interpreted and translated which further pushes one type of translation of the bible over the source text itself. You don't have to go to bible college to understand any truths that lies in the bible thanks to the internet, but you do need a critical mind to come to the right conclusions of what you've read.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 08:51:55 [Preview] No.12593 del
>>12580
>>12581
Now I've more respect for Hungarian translators of philosophical/religious texts from any languages.
It took a moment for me to put Xaos in it's place.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 13:37:54 [Preview] No.12594 del
>>12590
>Of course the modern use of "G"od in English is based on the King James Bible capitalizing god to signify separation/holiness from the lesser gods, which is done because for one, Hebrew never use capital letters, and two, when translated into English, I think the Anglicans thought that we wouldn't know which god/el was being referred to in the context and to simplify things, they had capitalized the g when it was the God of Israel.
No, in fact, you're over-analysing the capitalisation. English at the period, like modern German, capitalised all nouns.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 14:33:09 [Preview] No.12595 del
>>12590
>>12594
We call Isten Isten because it's his name. While any other isten is just an isten with his/her own name. I thought English was sames.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 14:47:05 [Preview] No.12596 del
>it's his name
Holy fuck which part of I AM THAT I AM you fail to understand?


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 14:54:07 [Preview] No.12597 del
>>12594
Eh, not really, not all instances of "God' is capitalized in the bible, which is why that theory falls flat. Also, a cat is a noun, yes? Why haven't I've capitalized cat here, the cat in this very sentence with emphasis in the importance of the noun that is: cat? Why doesn't the bible capitalize every instance of god into God? It really isn't based on German tradition to capitalize every first letter of a noun no matter how important it is in order to emphasize the sanctity and superiority of God over god/gods? https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/dan/11/36/t_conc_861036

The contextual, religious capitalization of god at least in English works differently from other languages even if English had some of its roots in German. That said, I've never met anyone that speaks "Anglish".

>>12593
Xaos in the bible was represented in water symbolism, like Tiamat. Theos divided the "waters" above and below which this of course forms order from above and disorder from below, heaven and earth which the skies are in between. Living entities live just above earth in between heaven and earth. Just as water had wiped out Pharaoh's army, that same water had "saved" the Israelites. Water disappears in the end of the book of Revelation/Apokalypsis Ioannou but the river of life flows from the throne of God which sustains the tree of life. The river is though to be good as floods in deserts revitalizes the dry soil for agriculture, and since the old earth is gone in the end, that river is the good side of Xaos without its counterpart disorder. The Jews were afraid of the water, and they've adopted some superstitions about ghosts haunting the oceans that came from the abyss below. The god of Disorder is Shatan for the Jews, but for the Greeks I'd say resembles more like Typhon than Xaos, which Typhon and Zeus are antinomies from the same father: Kronos. There's an article written by a relatively famous half British-Indian Neoplatonist by the name of Ananda Kentish Coomaraswamy that talks about Satan and Hell that looks at it from an entirely different perspective called "Who is Satan and Where is Hell?" that tries to explain the metaphysical interpretation behind the myths. http://themathesontrust.org/papers/comparativereligion/coomaraswamy-satan.pdf

>>12595
God in the bible has no real name in the mortal sense. I AM THAT I AM or ehjeh asher ehjeh is a description of God, which the jeh in ehjeh is a truncation of that concept of the God that has no mortal name that saved Moses. Jehsha is God is my salvation truncated from the longer name Jehoshuah/IHShVH/IHSVH. In Greek, s is added for masculinity while h is silent and so it's pronounced Jesas, the way English people usually pronounce Jesus. Jesus is what the Theos does. What specifically? Salvation. From what? The false, temporal, psycho-physical self of the flesh. The idea behind it isn't really truly unique to Christianity but had existed in metaphysical terminology even from ancient Egypt and who knows what long forgotten civilization before them.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 16:14:21 [Preview] No.12598 del
>>12596
>>12597
I know that.
Nevertheless Isten/God or whatever else is used the same as a person's name and not just a noun. Like Rose and rose. It's reserved only for him, hence it's his fucking name.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 16:38:48 [Preview] No.12599 del
>>12598
A noun is a subject/"person", location/"place", or object/"thing". A rose is still a noun, the name of the object being rose. The spoken language for most languages doesn't have capitalized pronunciation. so whether I say God or god, they both sound the same. Pagans use more descriptors or just different words to convey a higher god without saying "god". However, Theos has no true physical audible name, it's a concept that comes from within. Theos is the divine subject and absolute principle. It doesn't care in what language you call it. Names are just labels to identify and associate a concept with to make things easier to convey concepts in attaching concepts behind words. Every word is an amalgamation of symbols as "words" which a string of words become a sentence. The subject or form is immortal, but the object or shape is mortal. There is a metaphysical name for the concept behind Theos, but it is not about its pronunciation but in understanding it's ontological nature.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 16:57:38 [Preview] No.12600 del
>>12599
That's just avoiding the question. I don't want to sound like a rulecuck but we write names with the first letter capitalized (in normal circumstances) and that's it.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 19:17:50 [Preview] No.12603 del
>>12600
Theos/Monad/Agathos/Logos, etc., it doesn't really care whether you've capitalized the first letter or not. Various languages don't even have lowercase or uppercase letters. Some languages use capitalizations depending on the context that requires it, other times it's merely an ideological preference based on epistemological doctrines that has no direct basis in ontology. Some people capitalize subjects, other people don't. English is lingua franca, it doesn't give a shit as to how you use grammar, which is why it's a poor language to explain specific concepts with. Lexiconographers don't care about origins, they merely record how words were used in the past and present and they know that concepts change despite the spelling being the same. Take the words literally and figuratively. They both switch back and forth in meaning. Maybe German and other languages do capitalize every name, but when dealing with writings of philosophers as well as religious text, capitalized words like Beauty is not the same as beauty, while some words that should be capitalized sometimes aren't for religious or philosophic purposes in emphasizing a concept. Christians for example, use Moses' instead of Moses's, even though in modern English, the latter is grammatically correct and sees Moses' to be a group of "Mose" having collective ownership over something else. In Elizabethan Anglican English, Moses' is Moses's in modern English. Words change as well as how its presented. Grammar also changes. The point of language is to get the point across to others regardless if they accept the notion of the idea represented through the words or not.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 19:27:16 [Preview] No.12604 del
>>12603
>Lexiconographers
*Lexicographers
Alternative names being Linguists, Grammaticists, Grammatician, Grammarian, doesn't matter, pick your poison.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 20:46:52 [Preview] No.12607 del
>>12600
I think this whole capitalisation thing derives from the necessity to add definiteness in languages that don't have definite articles. In Hungarian, definiteness is carried by the verb, and thus cannot carry over to the standalone noun. Similarly in Slovene, definiteness can only be marked by the adjetive, and again the standalone noun is left with undefined definiteness. In written text, definiteness is then denoted by capitalisation.

In case of English, we have the case when words that are considered proper nouns are definite by default, and don't take the definite article. Again, this definiteness in form of address, can be denoted in written word by capitalisation. That's similar to how English capitalises words referring to specific organisations, concepts, etc. which serve as proper nouns. Consider the difference between republicans or democrats, and Republicans or Democrats.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 20:53:55 [Preview] No.12610 del
>>12607

Addendum: on contrary, in languages like Classical Greek, proper nouns including personal names always take the definite article, as do abstract nouns: ho Sôkratês, the Socrates, hê sophia, the wisdom, and similarly ho theos, the God. The ambiguity between god and God is thus readily apparent in Classical Greek, even in speech, not by forced capitalisation.


Bernd 12/16/2017 (Sat) 21:53:23 [Preview] No.12617 del
>>12607
>>12610
Pretty much this, English has no truly inherent, concrete definite use of words ingrained into its structure, only depending on its context can concepts be emphasized and distinguished through subtle changes like capitalization, punctuation, etc. Negative dialectic argumentation (AKA: apophasis, kathodos, via negativa, retroduction/abduction) is easier in Greek and Latin and a few other European languages. A part of that reason is also in part by western humanist philosophy, as well as Protestantism. Old English is even worse, words are spelled by how it's pronounced because nobody knew how to read and there wasn't a consensus in how to write certain words until literacy improved overall as dictionaries became more readily available. It can't be helped, the (Western/Latin) Catholic Church didn't teach the laymen Greek and Latin while the people learned through books distributed by whatever books the Turks and Jews didn't destroy that they've brought into the west. Positivism or Kataphatic Theology in Christianity is more Cartesian (Rene Descartes was a fool), Aristotelian, literal, empirical, so their exegesis of the bible cannot come to understand things that the bible doesn't say, which the argument from silence is most often abused to make opinionated guesses to supplement Positivism instead of using Apophatic Theology to truly know something from what the bible doesn't say with definite, 100% confidence. Interpret that however you like. I'm not a Christian but I admire Martinus Lutherus' courage to stand up against the Catholic Church. I know the importance as well as the struggle to maintain and perpetuate the truth that's translated into the mother tongue to help others around me to grow in wisdom and aspire to become the Good, unite with the "Soul" of the soul, become like angels/agathosdaimon disguised as godly people. Perhaps someone would come forth and help form a dictionary and grammar book for metaphysical concepts in English to help teach people how to converse in dialectics.


Bernd 12/18/2017 (Mon) 15:34:41 [Preview] No.12627 del
>>12597
>The contextual, religious capitalization of god at least in English works differently from other languages even if English had some of its roots in German. That said, I've never met anyone that speaks "Anglish".
The German language bibles go even farther and capitalize all letters when mentioning Him as GOTT (God), HERR (Lord), VATER (Father) etc., because regular nouns are already capitalized in German.


Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 20:18:47 [Preview] No.14200 del
Bump.
Strayed a bit from the path.
It's hard to not get distracted from the truth.


Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 21:13:13 [Preview] No.14217 del
>>14200
It's human nature
Most of the time we search for the truth in all our lives. Well, those who are a bit conscious.


Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 21:36:48 [Preview] No.14222 del
so uh, how's leng going?


Bernd 03/14/2018 (Wed) 21:39:37 [Preview] No.14223 del
>>14222
I meant Lent


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 01:25:28 [Preview] No.14237 del
>>14217
I think the Amish people might got something right.
Electricity is evil and provides you with so many distractions.


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 02:53:34 [Preview] No.14240 del
I don't believe but I do study religion and respect those who practice their beliefs. There are plenty of good concepts & stories to be understood from religious teachings, especially in the new testament of christianity where I find Luke's gospel to be a particularly sobering recount of events. What's your favorite passage, Bernd?


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 03:21:56 [Preview] No.14242 del
I feel like there is something missing from my life, but I can't relate to ancient mythology or believe in the supernatural.


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 07:34:51 [Preview] No.14263 del
>>14242
Believe in nature then. Maybe Pantheism is for you.

>>14240
>What's your favorite passage, Bernd?
I don't know the Bible that much to pinpoint a certain passage, despite I turned some pages of it and learnt about it. Right now from the Christian school of thought I like the idea of the Seven Deadly Sins as they kinda represents the hidden motivations of behind the acts of people. Now I only have to update myself on the Virtues and their role in life.

>>14237
Might be, might be. But without challenge it's easy to remain faithful. Those faith who have to question themselves day by day are much more precious.


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 10:03:50 [Preview] No.14288 del
>>14242
Find a Christian to pray for you, Bernd.


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 10:18:15 [Preview] No.14290 del
>>14288
It may not that easy how it sounds.


Bernd 03/15/2018 (Thu) 10:22:04 [Preview] No.14291 del
>>14240
My favorite passages are Judges 1:19 and Timothy 2:11 for being an asshole to people.
Genesis 4:7 for real though.


Bernd 03/16/2018 (Fri) 17:43:49 [Preview] No.14391 del
>>14291
>chariots with iron-rimmed wheels.
The tanks of the antiquity.
>Genesis 4:7
>Is it not true that if you do what is right, you will be fine? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. It desires to dominate you, but you must subdue it.
Pretty good. I try to do my everyday business the honest way and I'm straight as an arrow with people. I try to do what's right. I'm not big on being friendly with everyone however and am very confrontational but noone can smear shit on me behind my back because everyone knows I'm open and sound as fuck.


Bernd 03/16/2018 (Fri) 20:59:29 [Preview] No.14417 del
>>14290
If he can't find any in real life then he can always try on the internet. /christian/ on 8chan would be one of the good places to look for that.

I remember my Grandmother used to pray for me a lot, sadly I've only started to appreciate that after she died. As for others in my family I have no idea, they're mostly religious people but I don't think I ever seen them praying outside of church, except maybe at the dinning table during holidays.

When I say the daily prayer I always pray for well-being of my close relatives and some other people I know, sometimes I even include bernd (also known as anons in other places) after I read his story somewhere. Now, my "daily prayer" actually being daily is another thing, on which I still have to work on.

>favourite Bible passage
I've read entire New Testament and some of the Old Testament but tbh I don't think I have one. When I pick up a copy of bible mostly I just check gospel of John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 09:34:32 [Preview] No.14499 del
>>14417
I never heeded people praying for me too much throughout most of my life. Then I was working in a bakery at some point and these nuns came in on Ash Wednesday. The one came up and asked for a loaf of bread and I asked if that was it. She said yes, so I just paid for it and told her to have a nice day. She said she would pray for me, then went and told the other 4-5 nuns what I did and they all came up said the same thing.

I thought it was kind of silly at first but it was pretty moving the more I thought about it.
I have a lot of respect for nuns, and I never went to Catholic school so I'm not afraid of them like my parents are.


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 10:11:26 [Preview] No.14507 del
>>14499
>being afraid of nuns
Why tho? They are harmless ladies.


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 10:28:37 [Preview] No.14511 del
>>14507
I'm just going to guess that nuns as teachers enforce more discipline compared to public school teachers.


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 12:12:53 [Preview] No.14519 del
>>14507
>>14511
My mom said there were a lot of Eastern European ones at her school. One warned them often that communists would come in the night and slit their throats.
My dad said that some were just rough disciplinarians, that one kid who was in a scuffle turned around and knocked one of them out with his elbow and he got so scared that he knocked out a nun he went and hid in the woods for like three days.

The nuns were teachers, administrators, pretty much everything at their schools so I imagine they just conflated them with the ultimate authority. Not to mention my grandparents probably wouldn't want to hear that their children were making life and class hard for a sweet nun.


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 17:49:58 [Preview] No.14534 del
>>14519
>One warned them often that communists would come in the night and slit their throats.
wew, based nuns

Tbh from that description it looks like school my parents went to which was pretty normal thing 50 years ago and yet they're not afraid of teachers, they would rather say that modern teachers are shit.


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 18:28:44 [Preview] No.14538 del
Nation is the Religion. To be reborn in your Country, to live in teh middle of the sons an daughters of the other ones of your nation. Heil!


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 21:27:53 [Preview] No.14555 del
>>11451
>What do you believe in, Bernd?

Jesus Christ. Believe it or not.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 01:38:19 [Preview] No.14566 del
>>11451
>that Church

It's in Austria and a hot slut got arrested for masturbating in it. Video related, her doing the dirty deed.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 05:21:46 [Preview] No.14571 del
>>11451
> What do you believe in, Bernd?
Scientific socialism

> Have you read the Bible?
No. I find that garbage too retarded to bare. I can't get past the fifth page.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 13:15:21 [Preview] No.14593 del
>>14571
brainlet detected


Bernd 03/21/2018 (Wed) 19:17:04 [Preview] No.14838 del
>>14519
>communists would come in the night and slit their throats.
I believe they do that certain times and places.

Well, understandable, Catholic school in general are very strict and even more strict as we go back in time. They used age old thoroughly tested methods and back then they didn't pamper kids.
But they made the kids learn what they had to.


Bernd 03/21/2018 (Wed) 20:54:18 [Preview] No.14857 del
>>14507
My father went to Catholic school claims this is an accurate depiction of a nun: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqkowVU5mZI


Bernd 03/21/2018 (Wed) 21:11:56 [Preview] No.14863 del
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>>14857
That's not even close.
In schools the kids had to put their hands in front of them like Italians do in picrel and teachers hit the point of their fingers/nails with rulers. Of course this was a form of punishment because they didn't do it just for the kicks (only bad behaviour resulted in negative feedback, they were consistent in this).
It was widely used punishment not just by nuns or priests who also were teachers but by lay educators as well.


Bernd 03/21/2018 (Wed) 22:22:20 [Preview] No.14866 del
>>11451
>What do you believe in, Bernd?
boobs and the Second Amendment

>Have you read the Bible?
no


Bernd 03/22/2018 (Thu) 02:44:06 [Preview] No.14885 del
I never understood, why there are "Christians" here on the Imageboards. These are the most anti Christian places on the Internet (porn, gore, swearing, racism, etc). I guess, its all a bunch of LARPers. The desinformation these days is really bad.


Bernd 03/22/2018 (Thu) 02:47:11 [Preview] No.14886 del
>>14885
Or, perhaps, you are naive as fuck and base your entire opinion on Christians on a narrow-minded paradigm fed to you by the media you choose to consume?


Bernd 03/22/2018 (Thu) 05:27:05 [Preview] No.14891 del
Secular humanist with a Catholic upbringing.
I have not read the bible.


Bernd 03/22/2018 (Thu) 18:36:00 [Preview] No.14951 del
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>>14885
Everyone will eventually bow to Christ, imageboards included. This is just the beginning.

Also I think that secularization and anti-christian agenda might have backfired a bit and people on imageboards who very often go against the main stream of though might get interested in this topic, additionally you can't openly discuss religion in public without some kind repercussions so anonymous imageboards become some sort of safe space, despite things you mentioned.


Bernd 03/22/2018 (Thu) 19:40:17 [Preview] No.14977 del
>>14951
Thank yuo based Polan


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Bernd 03/22/2018 (Thu) 20:22:55 [Preview] No.14982 del
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>>14951
One of reasons is that western world didn't really secularize much as it looks. Christianity is very deep inside western culture, and even atheists there mostly just a anti-chrisitans who grew in religuous atmosphere and replay same religious pattern with negative sign.

I was actually surprised when I saw so much hidden religiosity in western internet, be it imageboards or common space. In Russia, for example, commies anti-religion work was actually very successful, and remaining traces of Christianinty in society are very folk-styled and weak, even if it looks different from outside.

It is also fun that attacks on Christianity in west also viewed as edgy attacks on traditional way of life and against core culture, but it is opposite here - pressure of church against average person and secular institutes viewed as anti-traditional and somewhat edgy.


Bernd 03/23/2018 (Fri) 06:28:58 [Preview] No.15007 del
>>14982
I dunno about Russia, but what you wrote about Western reality is true here. But with a little difference. Ehh, I don't have time to write about it now, I'll do in the evening.


Bernd 03/23/2018 (Fri) 09:22:16 [Preview] No.15014 del
>>14885
>anti-christian
Study of theology is a form of fundamentalist theism


Bernd 03/23/2018 (Fri) 13:37:24 [Preview] No.15022 del
>>14982
>even atheists there mostly just a anti-chrisitans who grew in religuous atmosphere and replay same religious pattern with negative sign.
This is definitely true. I've noticed how most atheist arguments against God are based specifically on Jehovah or Judeo-Christian mythology in general, especially the whole "muh sky daddy" thing. Impersonal or Pantheistic ideas of God are almost never considered.


Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 08:37:09 [Preview] No.15446 del
>>14982
Well, I didn't do in the evening, but never mind.
I would say the commie anti-christian propaganda reached various level of success. In industrial centers with lots of workers (the commies built up large heavy industry unsuitable for the country but they needed more workers and less peasants, more urbanites and less village residents, more nuclear families and less extended ones) was successful but in the countryside, in villages the priests could preserve their flock. At these places the intelligentsia - the bureaucrats, pedagogues etc - was non-religious, atheists, they were chosen by the regime by that criteria as well. The religious schooling was also repressed.
Let's check some numbers:
I have data from the census' censi? of 1930, 1941, 1949, 2001, 2011. Pdf and table related.
We have two relevant rows:
A. "don't belong to religious denomination" - these aren't necessarily atheists, they can be religious but without church, or non-religious but not atheist, or quasi-religious without church (like me). They even can be baptized.
B. "didn't want to answer, no answer" - again not necessarily atheist, maybe those who belong to fringe sects or whatever, or just really didn't wanted to answer that because they think it's noone else's business.
Three things noticable:
1. drastic leap in the number of those who don't belong to any church (not even to Buddhist or such)
2. people got very touchy about their religion they really started to think it's private matter
3. while the growth in both cases is huge between 1949 and 2001 the real striking thing that the growth rate is higher in the decade between 2001 and 2011 then in the previous 50 years.


Cont. Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 08:51:12 [Preview] No.15447 del
>>15446
Both Socialism and Liberalism (because now we live in the years of liberalism) have taken away from religiousness but haven't really given anything instead. Around 100 000 people turned to fringe churches (Jehovas, Buddhists, Krishnas etc) as they searched for support. What we know about! We don't know the preference of more than 2,5 million people!
After the regime change I saw old people turning back to traditional churches, sometimes on their death bed. I saw people from younger generations subscribing to fringe sects. Every family has at least one person like this. I would call them nutcases but mostly they are lost people searching for something that materialism just can't give them.

What I perceive from the anti-religious critique is that it's really anti-christian. The butt of every joke is the Christian church, rarely Muslim and never anything else, when they point to discrepancies, logical somersaults or examples of hypocritical acts they use Christianity for that.


Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 10:15:56 [Preview] No.15448 del
Wtf, everyone died fasting?


Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 11:32:26 [Preview] No.15449 del
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>>15448
I'm died slowing.


Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 20:38:28 [Preview] No.15463 del
>>15448
I'll be gone for Easter. Have fun.


Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 21:01:12 [Preview] No.15464 del
>>15463
You too, happy Easter!


Bernd 03/30/2018 (Fri) 23:48:39 [Preview] No.15467 del
The more I learn about Hinduism, the more I realize just how much of a blatant copy/forgery Christianity is. Include some other ancient religions and there is practically nothing original about it, other than a kike with a messianic complex.


Bernd 03/31/2018 (Sat) 01:27:46 [Preview] No.15468 del
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>>15463
So, is our mod the only Polack here?


Bernd 03/31/2018 (Sat) 06:29:18 [Preview] No.15471 del
>>15463
You too. May you have lots of sprinklers.

>>15468
Nod really:
1. we have a Pole who posts from time to time, but not frequently.
2. BO is actually Luxemburgian (Luxemburger?), probably went home now too.

>>15467
Christianity is a synthesis of many ancient religions and took hundreds of years to gain it's shape (at least from Jesus to Nicaea, about three centuries, but by then it wasn't really finished). That doesn't make them a fraud.
>a kike with a messianic complex
I'm not sure he had such. Originally messiah meant a political leader who frees the Jews and Makes Izrael Great Again. He tried to do everything but that. Then later his followers - who were mainly Jews - labeled him as such with a different content and context.


Bernd 03/31/2018 (Sat) 08:53:59 [Preview] No.15480 del
>>15468
Don't think about that.


Bernd 04/03/2018 (Tue) 23:32:33 [Preview] No.15592 del
>>15471
Just read about Hinduism. Most "Christian" myths and theology are already there.

>He tried to do everything but that.
Actually he tried to lead a rebellion against the Roman Empire and got rekt. In order to rile up other kikes to fight the superior enemy, he had to deceive them that he is some kind of god that can grant them eternal life and such if they follow him. For that he pulled a few tricks and so the myth about him started, which got shaped to fit political interests of various elites ever since.

My point is, the only good things about Christianity existed long before it and there are zero reasons for someone to be a Christian, in either cultural or religious sense.


Bernd 04/03/2018 (Tue) 23:53:17 [Preview] No.15593 del
>>15592
>actually...
Revisionist fiction writing to rival the great qur'an itself. No wonder they want a turf war.

The logic is absolutely insane too, it's like saying there's no point in being independent nation if other nations already believe in science.


Bernd 04/04/2018 (Wed) 00:00:48 [Preview] No.15595 del
>>15593
Ok then, give me one argument why should someone be a Christian.


Bernd 04/04/2018 (Wed) 00:04:05 [Preview] No.15596 del
>>15593
>Revisionist
Because Christianity is very original and totally didn't conveniently exclude all those gospels and writings contradicting the political message of the day. Not to mention that modern Christianity is the very word of Jesus and didn't get changed in any way since then.


Bernd 04/04/2018 (Wed) 00:06:22 [Preview] No.15597 del
>>15595
To separate from Zoroastrian monomyth and invent science. The reason to go back into Christianity after already having science is to vaccine yourself against seeing yourself as "being" anything and so you won't lapse even further back and start recursing as a supporter of just another iteration of the monomyth, by defining yourself something you "are", like a Christian. Once you learn to use your label as a verb it starts becoming trivial, but before that it keeps being regressive.


Bernd 04/04/2018 (Wed) 05:47:42 [Preview] No.15601 del
>>15592
>Just read about Hinduism.
I did better, I read Mahabharata which is basically reading Hinduism and not about it. But this is beside the point, you're knocking on open doors as I've already written here >>15471
>Christianity is a synthesis of many ancient religions
The truth is nothing comes from nothing, even Hinduism wasn't invented on the spot without antecedents. The thing is we just don't really know about it because we have no records on it.
>Actually he tried to lead a rebellion against the Roman Empire
No he didn't. He even said (this is a translation from Hungarian so not necessarily word to word in English): "Give to the Emperor what's his and give to God what's his." But look up Matthew 5:38-42, that's the turning the other cheek passage, but the whole thing implies more. Not quite rebellious.
Moreover he attacked the contemporary Jewish religious practice which didn't make him much popular.
I dunno where your interpretation comes from, not from the Bible, not from his words and actions. The other real source on him is Josephus Flavius, I read his Antiquities of the Jews and there's nothing the like you said.


Bernd 04/04/2018 (Wed) 07:22:01 [Preview] No.15603 del
it's stupid


Bernd 04/04/2018 (Wed) 15:08:46 [Preview] No.15606 del
>>15601
>I read Mahabharata
Actually I'm lying. It was just the Bhagavad Gita.


Bernd 04/05/2018 (Thu) 05:55:09 [Preview] No.15627 del
Nominally confucian, but without the emphasis on public "face". In many ways I've some adopted the surrounding beliefs as well, such as "危篤", to be humble, and to be self-reliant. These would be my virtues I aspire to, a practical but conservative upbringing my parents and grandparents believed in.

Those matter more than divine inspiration.
I am not remotely white


Bernd 04/19/2018 (Thu) 23:20:23 [Preview] No.16081 del
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"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."

I'm pretty sure some people were screming end of the world after hearing about recent crisis in Syria with all the big world powers involved so I figured I might post something about this topic. Actually I wanted to post it earlier because it's popular topic and often weird ideas become popular and are then ascribed to Christianity.

So there's this dude, st. Robert Bellarmine, who wrote a book "Controversies" which touches this subject. From what I understand he basically gathered all info about end times from the Bible and early Christian tradition and compiled it. Unfortunately the book hasn't been translated to polish yet so I hadn't read it, but there's this sermon by a cool priest which is basically a tl;dr of st. Bellarmine's book.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_HuoR4qNOuU [Embed]

It seems like this sermon is a continuation of another sermon but sadly I couldn't find it on the web.

a tl;dr of what is going to happen before the end off the top of my head:
- a great apostasy in the church
- society will turn to immorality and baganism
- Antichrist will come, he's a literal person, he's not devil himself but he's devil's perfect tool
- Antichrist will be Jew, will observe Jewish law and will be received by Jews as the messiah
- before Antichrist comes, Jews will rebuild their temple in Jerusalem
- Antichrist will do many miracles imitating Jesus and many will follow him, he will declare himself to be god
- all religions (not just catholicism) will be banned in favor for worship of Antichrist, the few remaining faithful will be persecuted
- prophet Enoch and Elijah will come to earth, from scripture we know that those two are the only two old testament figures that didn't die but rather were taken bodily by God and are still alive, thanks to them many will convert including many Jews but they will be eventually killed
- after all that Antichrist will attempt to make his final miracle but will be struck by an angel and fall into hell

I might have missed something or mix stuff because it's late. Best thing would be if you would get that book (it's called "Antichrist" sometimes in English translation) or just watch that video, it's very informative.

If you're interested in more there are few more videos by this priests on this topic.

In another sermon same priest sees French Revolution and Napoleon as type of the end times.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=41W0OHR4l-Y [Embed]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_9-oVoVqE9Y [Embed]

Same priest talks about what signs to look for. Also some ancient greek history included.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-zsnOhp7Wak [Embed]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8U89jJcJ2xk [Embed]

Not exact the same topic but it's overlaying with end times. It's rather lengthy but there's a lot of statistics being presented about state of the church and not-church in america so maybe some Bernds will be interested.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_9-oVoVqE9Y [Embed]


Bernd 05/20/2018 (Sun) 21:19:13 [Preview] No.16596 del
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Today is Pentecost Sunday.
Approximately 1985 years ago Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles, giving them many abilities like speaking in tongues which helped kickstart first christian community.
It is also day in which Catholic Church has it's 1985 birthday :^) happy birthday, Catholic Church.


Bernd 05/21/2018 (Mon) 07:31:02 [Preview] No.16597 del
>>16596
Yeah it's pentecost.


Bernd 05/21/2018 (Mon) 18:07:26 [Preview] No.16603 del


Bernd 05/21/2018 (Mon) 18:11:13 [Preview] No.16604 del
>>16603
Pünkösd.


Bernd 05/24/2018 (Thu) 21:03:31 [Preview] No.16645 del
Opinion on /asatru/?


Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 05:05:59 [Preview] No.16648 del
>>16645
Interesting modern interpretation the ancient Scandinavian/Germanic religion from fragmented and questionably reliable sources.
Rarely cited fact: monsieur Hitler called neo-paganism LARPing, and said something along these lines: the old religions died out for a reason, they had their place but they become weak and couldn't compete anymore, they are relics of the past, good riddance.


Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 15:27:57 [Preview] No.16661 del
>>16645
I checked out the 8chan board once and it was mostly just some guys talking about how much they hate niggers.


Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 17:20:48 [Preview] No.16663 del
>>16648
Please note: I not necessarily share The Driver's opinion on things.


Bernd 05/25/2018 (Fri) 23:25:41 [Preview] No.16670 del
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>>16645
>Opinion on /asatru/?

That's cosplay.

Although almost every religion is a cosplay now.


Cont. Bernd 05/26/2018 (Sat) 05:29:15 [Preview] No.16674 del
>>16648
>>16663
I believe pagan religions without such central dogmas like Abrahamic religions have always were plastic and ever changing. Like how Odin rose into central position in Scandinavia with the societal changes which gave way of the emergence of larger kingships. So it isn't too much of a problem that people in search of the past resurrect old religions while soaking it with their own state of mind of our day (zeitgeist I think).


Bernd 05/26/2018 (Sat) 14:20:33 [Preview] No.16678 del
>>16670
How seriously is Orthodoxy taken in Russia? I heard most of them are just /pol/ tier guys LARPing as crusaders.


Bernd 05/30/2018 (Wed) 21:55:36 [Preview] No.16738 del
>>16678
>How seriously is Orthodoxy taken in Russia?

It depends. Orthodox church is literally a branch of the state. It was even filled with KGB officers in Soviet times, fully controlled by government. Some small local churches (and people who work there) may have that old orthodox religious soul, but on bigger level it is just another state corporation. For example. current patriarch was known as prominent cigarettes trader in 90s, they used some dirty church-related tax schemes to import cheap tobacco and get profit. Rich priests often caught drunk in luxury cars, sometimes accidents happen but police is relaxed and they often didn't punished by law properly. Church is also engaging in shady schemes with land, there were serious wave of protests against building churches in place of public parks or hospitals in past. So, it is another corrupted thing, not really related to religion. There were also a homosexual scandals and other shit, looks like it is worldwide christian feature.

People overall not religious, even if they consider themselves orthodox. They maybe visit church few times in their life and never read any religious text including bible. But they "act respectfully" with priests, wear crosses and often have pagan-style superstitions in their minds. Local Christianity is very folkish, many people say that they don't like church but consider themselves orthodox etc. In any case, it isn't really that Christianity that it indented to be officially. On other side, government actively tries to put church everywhere (except when it is against multiculturalism and tolerance of course), they even use priests to bless nuclear missiles.

>I heard most of them are just /pol/ tier guys LARPing as crusaders.

Almost all "orthodox extremism" in Russia is purely political. Some groups of fanatics used as force to suppress or attack opposition, they rarely do something by themselves without permission from top (as almost any local extremist group in Russia, from nazis to commies). Besides this, real believers are mostly old women. Overall, we aren't on level of religiousness of many western countries, but consider themselves as religious (compared to rotten West).


Bernd 05/31/2018 (Thu) 14:09:46 [Preview] No.16741 del
>>16738
I heard similar descriptions Fromm a taiwanese Man who hates Christians


Bernd 05/31/2018 (Thu) 14:23:42 [Preview] No.16743 del
>>16738
>People overall not religious, even if they consider themselves orthodox. They maybe visit church few times in their life and never read any religious text including bible. But they "act respectfully" with priests, wear crosses and often have pagan-style superstitions in their minds. Local Christianity is very folkish, many people say that they don't like church but consider themselves orthodox etc.
Sounds exactly the same as in Ireland. Many people there who describe themselves as Catholic still believe in old folklore like fairies, the banshee etc.



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