11/24/2017 (Fri) 17:51:51
>>12047>>12116> If some region overwhelmingly voted for independence, it looks pretty democratic: people had will to change the government etc.
versus>if all country voted that region must not be independent, and it is also a democratic thing.
Let's say in a country we have demos 'A'. But within this country in a region members of demos 'A' belong to demos 'B' as well. Members of demos 'B' has a say in the business of demos 'B' and demos 'A' but most members of demos 'A' has nothing to do with the business of demos 'B'. Now it's a question what topics belongs which group. If members of 'B' decide among themselves they want to leave 'A' and only belong to 'B' then this decision certainly concerns those too who only members of 'A'.
The right way to do this is:
1. members of demos 'B' vote if they wanna leave, let's say they vote yes
2. 'B' then step one level up and makes a proposition about leaving to 'A'
3. then members of 'A' votes on the leaving - of course all member of 'B' vote yes, the others vote as they want
4. if the majority says yes, then members of demos 'B' can cancel their membership and from now on the two demos are in one level and their members will no saying on the other's business.
But how this happened in the case of Spain-Catalonia?
Catalans wanted to held a referendum to decide if they wanna leave.
The Spanish govt said you cannot do that.
They held it anyway and said they wanna leave, then their leaders opened a conversation with Madrid which failed so they unilaterally proclaimed their independence - which they couldn't defend.
The Spanish govt was in the wrong here in the first place they should have allow the referendum, then make Barcelona remember that the Spanish people has a say in it too and a referendum should be held on a larger level. And if the Spanish people say yes they could leave then they could leave but if not they have to stay.
From here if Barcelona said they are out, then they would have been in the wrong here so the Spanish govt would have a entirely legit justification to suppress their movement.