Bernd 11/24/2017 (Fri) 15:01:23 No.12116 del
> If some region overwhelmingly voted for independence, it looks pretty democratic: people had will to change the government etc.
>if all country voted that region must not be independent, and it is also a democratic thing.

I'm starting to see two contradictory ways to define democracy: democracy as consent (radical example: the liberum veto) and democracy as the will of the majority (radical example: dictatorships achieved through parliamentary activity). Are there names for these two concepts? Maybe "negative democracy" and "positive democracy" as in negative and positive rights.