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Reality - the most important subject Bernd 02/28/2019 (Thu) 09:48:13 [Preview] No. 23481 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Below you will find the extraction from the book of David Deutsch, "The fabric of Reality", which feels very appealing to my taste. What do you think about our ability to comprehend Reality in general, or about the book, if you've read it?

Now I return to the question I posed in the previous chapter, namely whether, if we had only a virtual-reality rendering based on the wrong laws of physics to learn from, we should expect to learn the wrong laws. The first thing to stress is that we *do* have only virtual reality based on the wrong laws to learn from! As I have said, all our external experiences are of virtual reality, generated by our own brains. And since our concepts and theories (whether inborn or learned) are never perfect, all our renderings are indeed inaccurate. That is to say, they give us the experience of an environment that is significantly different from the environment that we are really in. Mirages and other optical illusions are examples of this. Another is that we experience the Earth to be at rest beneath our feet, despite its rapid and complex motion in reality. Another is that we experience a single universe, and a single instance of our own conscious selves at a time, while in reality there are many. But these inaccurate and misleading experiences provide no argument against scientific reasoning. On the contrary, such deficiencies are its very starting-point.
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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 19:47:15 [Preview] No.23885 del
Eh I made a mistake. It's: "nothing isn't nothing, not even nothing". In English it sounds weird.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 19:56:19 [Preview] No.23886 del
>nothing isn't nothing, not even nothing
Sounds good!

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 20:00:11 [Preview] No.23887 del
It's a semmi sem semmi, még a semmi sem in Hungarian.
Also I think mathematics differentiate between 0 and nothing.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 23:13:23 [Preview] No.23903 del
>I see a problem here, look. An object can only exist, because if it doesn't exist, there is no object we could perceive directly. This misunderstanding arises from our believe into equality of object and our recollection of that object.
If existence requires perception, what about that which is perceived yet does not exist (I'm thinking of illusions, hallucinations, or even phantom limb syndrome because the brain registers a limb but reality doesn't)?

>What is an object? Would you agree that it's some amount of matter configured in some specific way? Thus, we can tell two objects are differ if they have different configuration of matter. Talking about existence I meant rather that matter than fleeting objects formed with it. And of course, once matter exists, it configuration is constantly changes, that's why we experience causality of events. But what about the matter itself? Where it came from?
Note that in the argument the word used was things not objects. The definition of object as some amount of matter configured in some specific way could be debated, but this is avoided here since "things" generally encompasses more than what is material. The argument implies that everything, except God, is contingent; this includes matter, energy, and even abstract things like truth, beauty, value. "God does not depend on anything, but everything other than Him depends on Him." And God's existence is an integral part of the casuality principle. Casuality requires a first mover, a cause which is "put in motion by no other", otherwise we would have a infinite regress of causes:

"It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else than the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e. that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God."

Sidenote: Motion as understood in this argument means any kind of change (motion), not just material change.

Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 06:47:52 [Preview] No.23913 del
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>mathematics differentiate between 0 and nothing
That's interesting, I didn't know that.

>If existence requires perception, what about that which is perceived yet does not exist
Great question! And may I assure you, there is no way to find out whether the object exists or not, without us conducting some experiments and perceiving the results of it. It's easy to demonstrate with a phantom limb. Yes, one feels a limb is there, but when he looks at it, he sees nothing. When he touches it with his arm, he feels nothing. So, the man thinks, "OK, one of my senses tells me the limb is there, but many other sense tell me the limb is not there. I assume, the first one sense tricks me."
A similar investigation will be conducted in case of illusion, or hallucination. And if I don't know whether the object I see is real, or not, I will ask others about it. And if they say that can see it too, I'll assume it is there.

So, there are generally two ways to obtain knowledge:
1. We perceive objects with our own senses.
2. We believe in concepts which we receive from others.

Pt. 2 seems to be a second hand tier knowledge, but even the pt. 1 bears its flaws. We know that perception is unreliable, and our trust in feels is just practical and can't be used to find out the truth. And the most depressing thing is, there is no other channel of information about the outer world for us.

>>Causality requires a first mover, a cause which is "put in motion by no other", otherwise we would have a infinite regress of causes
Exactly! That's why the "first mover" can't be found within existence. If "the first mover" was there, that would imply he had to have a cause too, agree?

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VIDEOGAMES THREAD Bernd 06/09/2018 (Sat) 16:17:24 [Preview] No. 17090 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Let's have le grand Official videogames thread.

It's thread, to discuss games.
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Bernd 03/09/2019 (Sat) 08:42:48 [Preview] No.23645 del
Looks fun all in all. The gameplay video: he goes by trial and error which makes it funny. I read some of the comments, with tips among them, and judging by these, it sounds tedious.
>despite having rather simple graphics game is rather demanding
This is very infuriating for me. The games of the last decade are a mess, all these fuckers can't code shit, everything but the most simplistic games are laggy and slugish as fuck. Shitty engine, unoptimized scripting and textures. As I can tell. Like shitty Unity makes fugging Wasteland 2 such, also crash every corner. Fugging Shadowrun R, DF and HK, I liek these games so much but they are so sluggish sometimes I want to butcher the whole Harebrained Schemes studio.

Bernd 03/12/2019 (Tue) 17:28:45 [Preview] No.23687 del
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got a curiously-shaped map
at least insofar as i was able to explore it since i didn't have any mapping or teleporting magic and didn't try boring into the rock either

Bernd 03/12/2019 (Tue) 18:20:05 [Preview] No.23689 del
Tell us more.

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found this a bit further down
the orange outline in the centre is a burning underground garden
i didn't find how to cross the blazing walls of fire without taking significant damage both to self and equipment so i'll never know if there was anything to find inside
entertaining weekend, i want more

Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 06:11:33 [Preview] No.23912 del
Which rogue-like is this?
>cross the blazing walls of fire without taking significant damage
There must be a trick to it. Maybe they can be turned off or some fire/heat-proof clothing can be obtained somehow.

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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 20:24:23 [Preview] No. 23889 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Been today to some little 40k town in southern Poland called "Nysa" for business, took advantage of my presence there and made some photos with my new Samsung Galaxy S10+. You can compare them with photos from my older albums that were made with S8+. I find them much better, especially in aspect of light control.


That's link to my all albums: https://www.flickr.com/photos/127182102@N08/albums

Main page: https://www.flickr.com/people/127182102@N08/
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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 22:33:08 [Preview] No.23900 del
use last 50 posts in the index view. It has something to do with the css.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 22:37:25 [Preview] No.23901 del
the comments are there, but when posting an image, it tends to hide the comments. nobody ever bothered to find out why and tried to fix it. dashchan on android shows all comments and on desktop there's the last 50 posts workaround I mentioned before. An alternative would be to post pics and comments in separate posts.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 22:47:51 [Preview] No.23902 del
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Too much effort. If you guys reactive krautchan in a decent form, then i will come back.

t. atlanta

Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 01:44:56 [Preview] No.23908 del
>Been today
You went to Poland and back in a single day? Or were you already in Poland and returned today?

Nice pattern on the sidewalk.

Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 06:09:15 [Preview] No.23911 del
>t. atlanta
I've seen many Poles accused of being him but none claiming he is.
>reactive krautchan in a decent form
I'm not sure what you mean by this. We are certainly decent if you ask me. Lurk, read older posts/threads, judge for yourself.

>choose few photos out of these 400
That would be a fine solution. Pick some you can write a line about, can be funny or not. Look at the IWO here: >>21839 is a textbook example.
Swissbernd is the most professional IWO reporter among us.

Interesting. I've no problem with comments. Tho earlier comments and posted images slid together and weren't visible on Palemoon (on Firefox it was fine), but one update of my browser fixed that.
However here: >>23897 I don't see any comment.
In another thread someone (I think a Torposter) complained he doesn't see posts. I'll gather these occurrences and ask around what is up. Or if a more tech savvy Bernd (Russia?) can give a tip what might be the problem that would be fine too.

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Poolitics serial dicksucktion - Frau Merkel Edition Bernd 06/08/2018 (Fri) 15:28:02 [Preview] No. 17063 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Here a nice thread the discuss seriously politics, the Catalonia thread is "File not found". Of course not just Merkel and the like can be topics here but anything really which fits, as usual.
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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 18:43:16 [Preview] No.23879 del
Looks like endchan is back up. Few hours ago Bolsonaro was in the White House. Trump gave him a football jersey of the unsuccessful US soccer team.

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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 18:57:41 [Preview] No.23881 del
Looks like it. It wouldn't be a problem but it might be a start of change in the leadership of Northern Hungary. Maybe on legislative elections they pick a party to govern who is more compliant toward Brussels. And here in the east we really need to support each other from the central pressure.
On the other hand those Northern Hungarian parties who have stronger stance against the centralization proponents of the EU are kinda Hungarophobes sadly.

US is a mixed bag in football. Sometimes they do fair sometimes worse. They have the money to build world class teams but they don't do it. Just short heda but no culture of football.

Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 02:26:51 [Preview] No.23909 del
Losts of events happening in the past few days. Bolsonaro brought key figures including finance tsar Paulo Guedes to his visit. Points include:

-He visited the CIA's headquarters. Hmm.
-Brazil was designated a major non-NATO ally.
-Visa restrictions were lifted for Japan, America, Australia and Canada.
-Guedes made a speech at the Chamber of Commerce. He claimed Bolsonaro has the balls (his own words) to conduct necessary reforms, promised to open up trade and tried to convince investors to apply their money here.
-Bolsonaro, Guedes, Bannon and chief ideologue Olavo de Carvalho dined at the ambassador's home last Sunday. Guedes called de Carvalho "father of the conservative revolution" but criticized him for his remarks against Bolsonaro's military allies and reminded him that Bolsonaro leads a pan-ideological coalition.
For context: Bolsonaro brings together a number of lobbies and factions, including liberals (led by Guedes), agrobusinesss interests, Protestants, high-ranking military officers (most of whom are outsiders invited last year for his ministers; contrary to what many thought, they are the most moderate and level-headed members of his cabinet) and opportunists. Those factions have competing interests and often clash. For instance, agrarians successfully lobbied to increase protectionism for milk even though liberals wanted to keep milk imports to lower inflation and ease prices for consumers. Their ideological duct tape is Olavo de Carvalho. A self-taught intellectual with no academic recognition, he's a bit of a hack but his ideological opponents in academia aren't any better, allowing him to act. Over the past three decades, he laid the groundwork for Bolsonaro's rise by providing the many opponents of the left-populist/centrist party system with an ideology. Although the result is a neocon Frankenstein, it had electoral success.
But Olavo also forms his own lobby of "intellectuals" and foreign minister Ernesto Araújo is seen as his appointee. Araújo had experience in his area but is more famous for his idelogical blog. There he cites Spengler and narrates the decline of the West but gives it a neocon twist by blaming it all on China. Recently Olavo has criticized the military and boldly claimed they want to overthrow Bolsonaro.

Bernd 03/20/2019 (Wed) 03:18:03 [Preview] No.23910 del
I'm sure some wings of the military are still heavily positivist and would like to cease power once again. We are truly blessed by the worst ideologies in the world.

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Bernd 12/27/2018 (Thu) 20:05:08 [Preview] No. 21674 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I'm from CIA and I'm here to see your political leanings.


take the test, r8 and subscribe.
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Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 06:07:56 [Preview] No.23836 del
That's essentialism. Some questions inquire if you think stuff inherently are what they are, for example negers are lazy because they are negers. Well not this heavy handedly.

Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 14:21:41 [Preview] No.23840 del
>Not really, it's a varied selection.
True, but it's also a pretty autistic selection.

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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 23:37:53 [Preview] No.23905 del
are you me?

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Took a couple of them twice just to make sure. Didn't feel like stitching. Surprised the nationalist angle is a high as it is. Surprised how I got the ancap label even after saying I don't mind regulation. Not sure what I expected for the villain test but hey.
I don't make sense as a human being.
We should form a club.

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Bernd 07/02/2018 (Mon) 17:56:13 [Preview] No. 17649 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I feel empty inside without KC.
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Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 20:32:04 [Preview] No.23859 del
The second birthday! I forgot to add.

Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 20:54:51 [Preview] No.23860 del
of course, I think 8/kc/ existed much longer, but just became active when krautchan had the first longer downtime and it was "our" board.

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What happened. Noone is posting on the board?

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 06:25:52 [Preview] No.23867 del
As I mentioned above and asked for a place on sportschan it's primary job of the board would be a bunker for times when Endchan is down. The secondary would be a place to move when Endchan is no more no we don't want End to be DDOS-ed thank you. To establish such a place beforehand is advantageous so when apocalypse ensues all our posters know where to go and won't scatter. I can only hope they read all this here.
I try to post at least a line every day tho. I think yesterday I missed out. I also prepare to post something more substantial there. Don't expect it to be too serious tho.

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Sorry. I didn't understand what was happening. I thought you were going to move there. I kept waiting for an upsurge in posting that didn't come.

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New News Thread Bernd 09/25/2018 (Tue) 17:05:25 [Preview] No. 19553 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Previous reached bump limit.

Last week Orbán Viktor's third grandkid was born. The little Anna Adél is his oldest daughter's, Ráhel, second child. Congratulations, Miniszterelnök Úr!

Meanwhile in Ghana they punch pedos right in their fruits.
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Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 20:30:06 [Preview] No.23857 del
That's Blikk.
Also a great statesman of the 19th century, Széchenyi István, wrote a political satire about the Bach-regime (the Habsburg restoration) with Ein Blick (auf den anonymen "Rückblick") title. The Rückblick was a pro-regime work which tried to make excuses for it. If you are interested it's only about 500 pages, downloadable by clicking on the German title:
Supposedly it is full of sarcasm, irony and wordplay. It's from an era when prominent Hungarians still spoke several languages excellently.

Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 20:58:13 [Preview] No.23861 del
from reading the first few pages, you can immediately recognize a writing style that can only be attributed to Austria or even specifically to Vienna. I don't know of any German who would write in this indirect style, with a narrator that doesn't try to be objective.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 00:53:46 [Preview] No.23862 del
Mine also made a passing mention to the 8chan. Provincial as it is, its writers had no knowledge of the subject and didn't bother to look it up, just copying other sources and assuming that 8chan = /pol/.

The earlier school shooting also involved imageboards, and they covered that more thoroughly. Several pages were devoted to it and imageboard screencaps (Dogolachan if I'm not mistaken) covered a quarter of a page.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 06:17:44 [Preview] No.23866 del
That's an interesting tidbit.
He spent his youth in Wien at Court as his aristocrat stature predestined him, so early in his life he probably knew German better than Hungarian. Then he traveled a lot I know England had a great influence on him I dunno if he spent any considerable amount of time in other German states which could influence his way of expressing himself. Most likely not.
He published the book anonymously but it was little doubt whose product could it be. One guiding clue might have been this linguistical peculiarity you mentioned.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 23:33:31 [Preview] No.23904 del
It is interesting that a lot of aristocrats tend to be more fluent in the local lingua-franca of the time than in their native tongues. Goes to show that noble families are basically landowner mafias.

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Bernd 02/23/2019 (Sat) 02:55:24 [Preview] No. 23406 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
Are Brazilians welcome in Russia?
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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 07:25:41 [Preview] No.23870 del
the fuck is he doing?

and if given to explain, what's up with >>>/librejp/143792 ?

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 09:44:41 [Preview] No.23872 del
>the fuck is he doing?

He kissed random boy in belly in 2006. No one knows why, he said later that this was emotional act etc etc.

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>and if given to explain, what's up with >>>/librejp/143792 ?

That is some Kazakh newscaster doing tongue twister for training. Language is Kazakh of course.

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Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 19:00:41 [Preview] No.23882 del
>doing tongue twister for training
That's what I would guess too, he warms up for the news.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 19:41:57 [Preview] No.23884 del
>Putin kiss boy stomach
He just sucks the evil spirit from the boy's soul which lives in stomach.

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qc Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 19:55:56 [Preview] No. 23851 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
What happened to Igor?

Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 20:11:12 [Preview] No.23855 del
Aren't you Igor?
Also we have a Canuck shitposting thread here: >>22604 already.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 14:48:01 [Preview] No.23878 del
Is nap time. Igor be back later.

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Shitty maps Bernd 07/28/2018 (Sat) 13:54:48 [Preview] No. 18124 [Reply] [Last 50 Posts]
I've seen a lot of maps like these popping up recently. I'm guessing these come from people who learn European history through Paradox games. This hurts my eyes.
>us wanting to unite with the Swedes, let alone the Dutch and Austrians
>Balkans, let alone the ENTIRE SLAVIC WORLD wanting to unite
>apparently, Istanbul and much of Asia Minor is Greek, yet Königsberg and the rest of Prussia is Slavic
>the Flemish are part of pan Latinism
>Cornwall being that big
>Finns, Estonians, and Hungarians are apparently part of the Indo-European world, but Basques aren't represented in Spain and France
>neither are Caucasians represented in the Caucasus
>Ossetia isn't included as part of the Iranian world
>Evropa, yet the guy who made this map is likely an American who speaks English
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Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 19:32:09 [Preview] No.23848 del
What the fug is going on here?

Bernd 03/18/2019 (Mon) 19:44:31 [Preview] No.23849 del
Hehh, I wanted to ask this too. Doesn't make sense. I see whoever made this map doesn't like us for sure.

Bernd 03/19/2019 (Tue) 01:07:48 [Preview] No.23863 del
we should unify against black&yellow orc army.

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Seems like a quasi-dystopian future projection of European empires vs. evil empire vs. small island evil empire. It'd probably make for some interesting fiction novels.