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Anonymous 04/21/2019 (Sun) 04:10:11 [Preview] No. 20457
>Electric cars can be bigger inside than gas powered cars.
>electric cars have their parts fail less.

>We were held back from this by greedy companies like GM who didn't want to lose their business of selling profitable replacement parts.

>when there's no oil and society ends, you can still charge your car thanks to solar

Why wouldn't you buy an electric car now?

Anonymous 04/21/2019 (Sun) 16:17:11 [Preview] No.20460 del
I live in a country with seasons. Your 200 mile range in commiefornia translates to 50 miles with the lights, wipers and heater on.

Anonymous 04/21/2019 (Sun) 20:33:00 [Preview] No.20463 del
>Why wouldn't you buy an electric car now?

Because nobody makes an electric car now. Instead what they make are Facebook apps on wheels. If I could buy an electric car instead of a drive-by-wire data-harvesting wifi-enabled Internet-of-Things rolling turd then they'd definitely be in the running for my next car.

The first Leaf was a cheap hatchback with a battery pack and an electric motor bolted in. They got it right the first time! Make more of those, simplify, keep going down that route... but nooooooo, now they cost $40,000 and have phones and Sirius XM and maps and a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with just being four wheels driven by electric motors and a battery pack.

My ideal electric car is little more than a golf cart. It has rack-and-pinion steering, hydraulic brakes, a mechanical ON/OFF switch, and no touchscreen, wifi capability, or neural nets.

I know two guys, one owns a Leaf and the other a Tesla. Weather here sucks. You can't drive until you can see through the front windshield, and people who don't live in areas where you have to spend ten or fifteen minutes every morning dealing with that don't really understand. They both say the heater, a much bigger draw than lights, eats about 25-30% of their range. It's not a show-stopper for electric cars. As much as I rant against contemporary electric car design, I have to admit that the electromechanics have gotten good. The motors, batteries, regenerative braking, motor controllers, charging systems, performance, and range are good. Both are nice cars and they work fine. It's the lack of a basic inexpensive car with all the irrelevant crap removed that keeps me from buying one. I don't want the vast majority of internal combustion vehicle offerings for the same reason. I like to hope that the market is still young and that manufactures will come to their senses about what is actually needed, but since most of them don't even bother testing what their own web sites look like with javascript disabled, they're probably going to keep screwing up their cars in similar fashion.

Anonymous 04/22/2019 (Mon) 02:15:32 [Preview] No.20464 del
Absolutely 100% true. Not only do they turn vehicles into botnets for Big Tech and government eavesdropping, they are ridiculously overpriced as well. Its like choosing between a $2,000 iPhone or a $40 flip phone. I'll take the flip phone, because all I want is a functional phone to make calls. I don't need or care about all the extra bloatware.

I own a 1989 4x4 dodge pickup truck with a 360 engine and ain't no way would I ever give that bad boy up to buy some ugly yuppie faggot big-tech-govt infested spy-mobile.

Anonymous 04/22/2019 (Mon) 09:25:05 [Preview] No.20466 del
A Tesla S 100D can officially drive 514 miles on a single charge. Whatever the number is, it's huge, and even if your friend is right and he loses 30% of his energy to heat, that's still 360 miles before he has to charge his car, which exceeds the range of most gas powered cars. Assuming he drives less than about 150 miles a day, he can charge his car when he gets home every other day without much inconvenience. Cheaper models only have 220 miles (model 3), but that's still usually enough for commuting even in fairly rural areas as long as you fully charge it and aren't driving vast distances. (A Tesla electric truck and better electric motorcycles are coming out too.)

Btw, the Tesla also comes with a nice seat warmer under the cushion, which I haven't seen in any other vehicle. Maybe tell your friend to stop turning that on and carry a thermal blanket instead to go further.

Anonymous 04/22/2019 (Mon) 10:19:16 [Preview] No.20467 del
seat warmers are a normal luxury or add-on feature. I think tesla's have a lot of customization when it comes to what you do and don't want for little perks and stuff. Do heated seats just come stock? Those could be a lifesaver in the winter.

The only problem I have with Tesla is that they are constantly upgrading and changing things because they don't have the scale of the major car companies. This is good short term for the consumer but could cause major headaches in the case of re-calls or maintenance long term.

Semi-related: I heard a news story about a guy trying to get the cheapest new available, and he saw he could save ~800-1500 bucks to not get a GPS but the dealership didn't have any without a GPS and wouldn't order him one.

Anonymous 04/22/2019 (Mon) 16:14:31 [Preview] No.20468 del
>I heard a news story about a guy trying to get the cheapest new available, and he saw he could save ~800-1500 bucks to not get a GPS but the dealership didn't have any without a GPS and wouldn't order him one.

Yep, and thats because of stupid new government regulations requiring GPS systems in all newer vehicles that are purchased. Wonder why that could be? Everyone here knows damn well why. So much for 'consumer rights' in modern Amerika.

Anonymous 04/22/2019 (Mon) 20:40:38 [Preview] No.20470 del
I think the seat warmers come stock. They're in the front and the back seats.

Anonymous 04/23/2019 (Tue) 19:12:57 [Preview] No.20480 del
Overpriced and Big Tech bloatware (spyware) is the major concern, then there's this little issue too: >>>/news/14555

To power these vehicles it DOES use up lots of energy, so you're not really "saving the environment" by driving one of these anyways. Its just a scam to attract wealthy yuppies from leftist cities, a rip off if you ask me.

Anonymous 04/23/2019 (Tue) 19:56:22 [Preview] No.20481 del
If you think a gas powered chevy uses less energy than a Tesla and pollutes more, you're clinically retarded and shouldn't reproduce.

Anonymous 04/24/2019 (Wed) 19:54:02 [Preview] No.20492 del
Thats only the case if Tesla is getting its power from SOLAR energy... and if thats the case it would take a very long time to charge up those vehicles. That might be the case, and if it is I'd be mistaken. However, if Telsa is not utilizing solar energy to power the cars then its no better than another gas guzzler.

Anonymous 04/24/2019 (Wed) 23:15:49 [Preview] No.20493 del
>diesel used to power generator to produce electricity, efficiency at 35%
>electricity is used by your charging station to charge your car, efficiency drops again due to natural inefficiency present in all things (lets say it's now at 25%)
>car uses energy stored in it to get around efficiency drops again, 15%

>diesel powered car, uses diesel, 35% efficiency


Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 00:25:42 [Preview] No.20494 del
Coal is the worst non-renewable, followed by natural gas, followed by nuclear. It's more efficient to use batteries, ALWAYS. There are a lot of hidden costs to oil including environmental damage (climate change, oil spills, asthma,) and the governments further subsidizes it by maintaining a massive military industrial complex and funding military interventions. When you account for all of that electricity is vastly cheaper. Even if you have to burn gasoline to make the electricity to charge the batteries, the massive power-plants that make the energy are much more efficient than your little combustion engine which you have to heat up every time.

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Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 13:31:58 [Preview] No.20496 del
Coal is much more abundant and cheap than lithium is. Think about that for a second. To manufacture batteries you DO need to mine other resources (such as lithium). Some of those resources are actually much more expensive to mine than coal. Ever see footage or pictures of lithium mining and extraction from the ground? They too have to blow massive holes into the Earth to get those resources.

If you think energy doesn't come at some expense or sacrifice, you are wrong. Even solar panels have their dirty little secrets (the rely on silver, tellurium, copper and of-course lithium for the batteries) not to mention chemicals such as hydrofluoric acid are used to manufacture the plexiglass-like panels. Manufacturing uses up a lot of energy too... and most the energy manufacturing the panels happens to come from burning coal....


That said, I'm not against alternative energies. I have solar panels myself but I intent to use them for SHTF off-grid/blackout scenarios, not with some delusional intention of saving the planet. By the way, if you are very concerned about our environment you really should do some research into the geo-engineering issue; (have an open mind before doing this because there are some kooks out there that can derail other legitimate research and documentation); not only has it been well documented but its now being admitted by many governments too.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 17:08:02 [Preview] No.20500 del
You get the energy back freon solar panels, and all of those solid materials you name could be recycled eventually unlike coal which goes into the air. Solar and electricity are more efficient than oil in virturally every single way.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 17:10:34 [Preview] No.20501 del
Also if you're so against solar, what about wind? There is nothing you can say about environmental damage from windmills. The idea they're bad because they are killing birds is just scare mongering from oil companies.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 21:25:55 [Preview] No.20502 del
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I eventually want to buy an electric Vespa. The electric scooters are currently $7,000, and gas powered ones are half that price, but the gas milage is phenomenal. Scooters were fun as hell to ride in Vietnam. Most Americans think they have to drive commute in pickup trucks and waste more space to be a man, but I don't think I'm above driving one.

I also need to get some experience on two wheels, because I intend to rent one in Taiwain and drive up the mountains and thoroughly see that country before the Chinese communists invade and take it over.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 23:03:48 [Preview] No.20503 del
You didn't read everything I said, I made it clear I'm not against solar, I have my own solar panels after all. The fact is the resources used to manufacture solar panels (and the 12V batteries) take energy consumption to mine, and the manufacturing process uses up a lot of energy as well. This is what makes solar so expensive in the first place.

My point was that any kind of energy comes at some kind of expense and relies on the Earth's resources, yes even wind or solar too. Nothing is "free", everything you consume comes from something and the process of producing it, transporting it and delivering it to consumers always ends up with a price tag, with energy used for supply and demand.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 23:24:33 [Preview] No.20504 del
Those are fine for people who live in cities, near shops and grocery stores where they don't have to buy too much stuff to haul around.

However I live out in a small town an hour away from the nearest metropolitan area (where I go to pick up goods wholesale every couple months, such as COSTCO). There are many Americans that live that way, because our populations are so spread out everywhere around the country. And when we live out in the country, face it, we need pickup trucks to haul a stockup of wholesale goods back to our homes so it lasts us a while. We don't want to be driving back and forth on hour long trips every single week. There are other reasons too, farmers tend to haul equipment around at times, or feed for livestock, or 200x 50 pound bags of fertilizer for their crops, etc. A lot of times you need 4x4 to haul that kind of stuff around depending where you live and conditions of the roads.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 23:26:54 [Preview] No.20505 del
There is work underway on better kinds of batteries, including massive gravity powered batteries, i.e. using solar to pump water up hill so it can flow downhill and power generators when there is less sunlight but still high energy demand.

We will eventually use energy from solar to power the machines used for mining. We can already start doing a lot more recycling and a lot less frivolous consumption to be sustainable. Most of our recyclables go to China, because we are very inefficient at sorting it out unlike Japan. That's a huge industry we could keep onshore, with vast raw resources right there.

There is a country in Africa that has started finding people thousands of dollars if they possess plastic bags, because bags don't break down in the environment and wash into the sea where they form trash islands. Plastic binds to pollutants, fish eat it, and ultimately humans, where they cause cancer. We can be a lot more sustainable than we are, and if you're arguing that we shouldn't strive toward 99% sustainability because that still isn't 100%, you're living in a Utopian fantasy land.

Anonymous 04/25/2019 (Thu) 23:40:25 [Preview] No.20506 del
You don't want to drive a scooter in a city because cars drive aggressively, and the traffic is just too dangerous. The best place for a scooter is actually a small city or town. Scooters and bikes also let you go up steep and narrow roads in the hills and mountains, where cars don't have enough clearance to drive without popping an axel. They let you drive around potholes which cars hit and blow their tires on.

I was also talking about men who drive big gas-hungry American pickups in city-suburbs just to be masculine and feel safer from their high seats, even though most of the time the back of the pickup is empty. (There need to be more truck rental services btw, because renting a truck a home depo when you're buying large products is usually too expensive.)

Anonymous 04/26/2019 (Fri) 14:12:56 [Preview] No.20516 del
>I was also talking about men who drive big gas-hungry American pickups in city-suburbs just to be masculine and feel safer from their high seats, even though most of the time the back of the pickup is empty.

Well I agree it is stupid to buy a truck just to look masculine, or when you don't need one, regardless of how we feel it is consumer choice. We as consumers have the right to purchase what we desire, thats part of basic supply and demand. Part of consumer choice is the ability to boycott as well, so its a trade off. We might not like what other people purchase, but if they want that its their business not ours.

>There need to be more truck rental services btw, because renting a truck a home depo when you're buying large products is usually too expensive.

I agree, there should also be independent delivery services made available for areas outside the cities. Say, if someone lives out in the country, they could pay a local business to go out to a certain destination, buy what they have requested, bring it back and deliver it to those residential areas (all costs included of-course plus a small fee for the service to keep them up and running). We could hire hundreds of thousands of drivers all around the nation if small towns and rural areas adopted such services.

Anonymous 04/26/2019 (Fri) 23:10:03 [Preview] No.20517 del
Truck driving is about to be a dead industry. Consumer Teslas can already brake and accelerate based on the traffic in front, though I don't think they can stay within the lane yet. The midwest is already building new lanes on highways for selfdriving trucks.

Anonymous 04/27/2019 (Sat) 00:37:35 [Preview] No.20518 del
You frikkin truck haters are too much.
What a buncha soy boy weebs.
I bet you'd outlaw my vehcile depicted here.
How many criminals do you settle into their graves every year, hmmmmm?

Anonymous 04/27/2019 (Sat) 00:39:19 [Preview] No.20519 del
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Damn uploader.
I have to block java to upload images.
But it's better to block everything these days.
Here's what you will see sitting behind me in traffic.
What's the problem?

Anonymous 04/27/2019 (Sat) 00:42:11 [Preview] No.20520 del
The only way the truck industry is going to die anytime soon is if our government goes full blown commie and bans consumers from buying or driving trucks. Otherwise as long as we have a free market it likely won't happen as fast as you think. Keep in mind Tesla is extremely expensive, many people just cannot afford that luxury. So far Tesla does not produce enough cars to keep up with the massive market demand out there either (thousands of cars are sold every single day, can Telsa really keep up with that demand?). Outside of government intervention and monopolizing the car industry, I still think we'll see many different companies come and go over the years. Tesla will likely face other electric car competitors too, some might utilize different technologies. Who knows what will really happen?

Anonymous 04/27/2019 (Sat) 00:47:09 [Preview] No.20521 del
Agreed, javascript is crap, block it as much as possible.

About the truck issue, I don't think they'll be able to ban them, there would be significant consumer backlash against it. Many people still need trucks, hell, I need a truck to haul my supplies on a regular basis. I even know liberals who own trucks for that reason, lol. So no, I don't think they'll be able to go full blown commie without taking it to the Supreme Court. If they manage to get that far.

Anonymous 04/27/2019 (Sat) 20:36:05 [Preview] No.20522 del
It's not just Tesla that is creating self-driving cars and trucks. All that competition will mean lower prices for autonomous vehicles, and companies aren't going to pay truck drivers when they can get FREE drivers who can drive 24/7 without taking breaks, and not complain or go on strike. The writing is on the wall and if you have friends who are in the trucking industry, tell them to either retrain their skills or vote for UBI before the shit goes down.

I haven't heard of anyone is talking about banning them, although carbon taxes would be good. Those taxes wouldn't apply to electric trucks.

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Anonymous 04/30/2019 (Tue) 17:47:22 [Preview] No.20551 del
I'm not against electric cars or new technologies but I am one who strongly believes in consumer choice and economic freedoms. People who want electric cars should be able to have them, just as much as people who want traditional gas-powered cars should be able to have those as well. What makes for a great economy and a happy population is consumer choice, the right to support - and/or boycott for that matter - whatever you desire. That is true diversity, that is what keeps greedy monopolies from rising to power is the rights of consumers to pursue their best interests.

Anonymous 04/30/2019 (Tue) 18:01:09 [Preview] No.20552 del
Economic freedom just benefits the rich who fly in luxury jets with two passengers. It's a phrase that doesn't benefit the 99%, and it doesn't create a sustainable world.

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Anonymous 05/26/2019 (Sun) 16:37:07 [Preview] No.20732 del
let's say we run out of oil tomorrow, how long would it take for the atmosphere to return to a cleaner state?

Anonymous 05/27/2019 (Mon) 15:17:38 [Preview] No.20736 del
Hundreds of years, but 20% of it could stay around for thousands of years. The important thing is to stop making carbon now, because we don't even know just how incredibly long it'll take for the Earth to lock up the carbon again.

Anonymous 05/29/2019 (Wed) 18:22:45 [Preview] No.20743 del
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