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'No way to prevent this says only country where this regularly happens Anonymous 02/17/2018 (Sat) 03:14:04 [Preview] No. 15389
PARKLAND, FL—In the hours following a violent rampage in Florida in which a lone attacker killed 17 individuals and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Wednesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said Indiana resident Harold Turner, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this individual from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what they really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past eight years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

Anonymous 02/17/2018 (Sat) 09:08:24 [Preview] No.15393 del
I'm not giving up my guns because a psycho decides to shoot up a school.

If we want to point the blame, look no further than the absolutely IDIOTIC policy of the "no-gun zones" aka that very school that was shot up. Why are the teachers not allowed to be armed and defend themselves? Why not the school staff and principles? Why not the school psychiatrists? If you want schools to be safe then you need to allow good people with guns to ward off the bad people with guns.

Gun control will only lead to the asshole criminals having guns, and then no one would be able to defend themselves, their family or property. What a horrible idea!

Anonymous 02/17/2018 (Sat) 09:20:33 [Preview] No.15395 del

The FBI Was Warned About A School Shooting Threat From A YouTube User Named Nikolas Cruz In September


Law-Enforcement Officials Say YouTube Tip on Florida Shooter Wasn’t a Strong Lead

A user by the name of “nikolas cruz” in September posted a comment on a Mississippi bail bondsman’s video blog, saying, “Im going to be a professional school shooter.”


To end this insanity we need to end these "gun-free zones" and let the teachers and staffers be armed and allow them to defend themselves and classrooms! Will anyone listen!? Probably not! Well then, get used to this bullshit!

Anonymous 02/17/2018 (Sat) 22:20:33 [Preview] No.15426 del
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Canada - 19 school shootings since 1884
Whole of Europe - 26 school shootings since 1913

Amerikkka - 11 school shootings in the first 23 days of 2018

Sorry, but having all kids wear bullet proof backpacks isnt enough! Psychos need to be banned from owning guns. Obama required the mentally insane to be put on a list, Trump being mentally insane removed that provision and now here we are, where any crazy kid with a violent history can buy an AR-15. The Republicunt response? To opportunistically attack the director of the FIB and call for his resignation, with the real reason being that he dared to continue to investigate Russian interference in our election.

Anonymous 02/18/2018 (Sun) 21:24:39 [Preview] No.15436 del
Back in the day before most of you leftists were even born WE HAD GUNS IN SCHOOLS. Guess what? Mass killings didn't happen, they were unheard of!

Stop taking all those SSRIs and maybe people would be a bit more civilized today and we wouldn't have this debate. BTW: the school was a "gun-free zone" and it did NOTHING. Not even the FBI did anything!

Stop blaming us you fucking cucks!

Anonymous 02/19/2018 (Mon) 04:29:35 [Preview] No.15440 del
There are several steps to make sure this does not happen again, all of which no one is going to like:

1) All parents who have guns need to keep their guns in a safe, locked up and kept away from their children. This should be mandated policy if it is not. If you have open gun racks all over a wall and teenagers living around you there needs to be someone to tell you how stupid you really are.
2) Schools either need to hire armed officers / armed guards or install standard metal detectors. Or they should allow teachers to be armed to protect the students and require gun safety courses for the armed teachers. Or perhaps all of the above. Get rid of the gun-free zones.
3) Mental health should be evaluated for a gun purchase. I was once against this (because authority could be abused), now I see this may not be such a bad thing. If there is a record of someone acting crazy or having a serious mental condition, then maybe they should not be able to own guns.
4) Its time to outlaw those damn SSRI drugs. Nearly every fucking shooter is on SSRIs! Coincidence? No, I highly doubt it! Outlaw SSRIs.

Like I said, both liberals and conservatives are going to throw a fit about this. But if they want to really correct this issue, they need to get smart and start thinking logically.

Anonymous 02/19/2018 (Mon) 04:38:35 [Preview] No.15441 del
Statistics have proven time and time over the more good people with guns, the less people behave badly.

Guns don't kill people. Bad people kill people. And the Americana era had enough common sense and respect to figure that out quickly.

Anonymous 02/19/2018 (Mon) 08:53:34 [Preview] No.15444 del
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In this most recent case that first thing doesn't apply. That was his gun, he owned it, and apparently the people sheltering him for the time had his gun locked in a cabinet and they don't know how he accessed it apparently because he was the only one with a key.
I didn't know that about SSRI's.
My high school had an armed local police officer on site throughout the school day and this was way before Sandy Hook. Funny story is I had to my old high school a few days after Sandy Hook to give an old teacher a letter asking if he'd write me a letter of recommendation and I step in the main entrance and I was getting hard stares encased from the women behind hopefully bullet proof glass.
I'm like hey I'm here to ask if Mr. soandso would give me a letter of recommendation
lol, like I get the severity of it and if you work or go to school when something like this happens you're probably on edge for a short while about it, but c'mon.
I'm much more inclined to say not cut across a yard with a no trespassing in some rural area than in some upscale neighborhood on the west coast.
But what really is crazy in this day and age? shooting a trespasser or bitching to your homeowner's association about it?

Anonymous 02/19/2018 (Mon) 09:01:10 [Preview] No.15445 del
>because he was the only one with a key.
they were the only ones with a key

Anonymous 02/20/2018 (Tue) 01:26:32 [Preview] No.15451 del
One or two armed officers is not enough for an entire school. Either the school hires a couple dozen armed guards to walk the halls all day or they should allow teachers to be armed who can shoot back at a murderer.

And having metal detectors would not be a bad idea. Let the teachers / guards go through a secured back entrance around the building and install metal detectors wherever the students enter the building. Sure, it may inconvenience a lot of students, but quite frankly it is a much better and safer idea then trying to ignite a civil war over nation wide gun confiscation (which read very carefully: attempted confiscation will not happen without awful consequences and civil disorder). [The feds war gamed this scenario and 9 times out of 10 they concluded they'd lose if an armed American public rose up against them. They even mentioned that much of the US military would side with the American public rather than the feds if it came down to a civil war over gun confiscation. Liberals simply do not know the dangers they would be getting themselves into.]

So either the feds and politicians start thinking logically about these so-called 'gun-free zones' or this kind of bullshit is going to keep happening.

Anonymous 02/20/2018 (Tue) 01:40:30 [Preview] No.15452 del
>I didn't know that about SSRI's.

Here is a list of a bunch of shooters that were all prescribed SSRI (serotonin reuptake inhibitor) drugs: https://archive.fo/bopzk

These drugs are known (even having label warnings) to cause suicidal and hostile behavior with users. They re-wire your brain and dope down certain parts where emotional thoughts occur. It is supposedly to help stress and depression. In reality, these drugs can cause people to go insane and are very dangerous. Why are they not banned in the US? Because Big Pharma makes BIG $$$$$$$$$$ off SSRIs.

Anonymous 02/20/2018 (Tue) 05:56:50 [Preview] No.15453 del
>or they should allow teachers to be armed who can shoot back at a murderer

What if the teacher is insane and holds her class hostage, shoots 30 of them, and then sets fire to the classroom nextdoor? There is no safeguard for the teacher, and you may make the problem worse.

Anonymous 02/21/2018 (Wed) 11:27:30 [Preview] No.15493 del
Highly doubt it would happen, but if it did nearby teachers would hear the gunshots and another armed teacher would come to rescue those kids.

You can't stamp a "no guns are allowed here" sign up and expect that to curb insane students or psycho teachers. And you can't go around blaming innocent people who have done nothing wrong for owning guns for self-defense either.

If politicians wanted real security (which they don't) they would have made metal detectors mandatory for all high schools by now. Or they would have gotten rid of the gun free zones and allow teachers to arm themselves

Quite frankly I think there needs to be a class-action lawsuit started by teachers' unions over not allowing them to be armed.

Anonymous 02/22/2018 (Thu) 09:10:28 [Preview] No.15523 del
Hell does not exist, otherwise the members of the National Rifle Association would surely go there. Perhaps they’d experience a form of hell, here and now, if they had the imagination to think of the bereaved, weeping for their children. But no, they’re too stupid to understand.

Anonymous 02/22/2018 (Thu) 19:59:22 [Preview] No.15612 del
President Trump says deranged mentally ill sicko school shooters would NEVER attack a school if all the teachers were heavily armed. He's, like, really smart!

Anonymous 02/22/2018 (Thu) 22:29:02 [Preview] No.15613 del
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This is a perfect picture of the GOP.

Anonymous 02/22/2018 (Thu) 22:51:40 [Preview] No.15614 del
Mitt: Yeah I'll have the scallops with bone marrow
Trump: what size taco bowls you got?

Anonymous 02/22/2018 (Thu) 23:10:57 [Preview] No.15615 del
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Remember when he used to criticize Trump? Not that Trump the populist liar is any less phony.

Anonymous 02/23/2018 (Fri) 17:12:23 [Preview] No.15636 del

All shooters have targeted gun-free zones, they are easy targets. Not hard to figure out. Teachers can provide protection for students if they are armed and know how to use a gun properly.

All irrelevant bumps to curb the debate.

Anonymous 02/23/2018 (Fri) 17:24:20 [Preview] No.15637 del
Now this is sad. The government had numerous opportunities to intervene with this psycho before and every single time they did nothing. Not just the FBI but the local cops too. He was known for his violent threats. He was known for bragging about using his guns against people. What did the cops and FBI do? Nothing at all.

Certainly there is no nefarious motive allowing this threat to exacerbate, right? Certainly every time there is a mass shooting, there is no repetitive narrative and screeching about gun control, right?

But the blame will be shifted from the killer, to innocent Americans and civil-rights organizations as usual. When you factor in their despotic agenda against the US it all makes a lot more sense.

Anonymous 02/23/2018 (Fri) 17:33:13 [Preview] No.15638 del
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Thank Joe Biden. This guy sponsored the law (which was passed) to put an end to armed schools, I believe back in 1990.

Before this law, very little school shootings ever occurred. It was rare - and I mean very very rare. After Biden passed the gun-free zones for all schools, we immediately saw school shootings take off. Go figure. No one could shoot back against those monsters. Death tallies for shootings rose. Go figure. Again, no one could shoot back against those monsters.

If you blame Trump - or anyone else for that matter - you are a fucking moron who lacks knowledge of recent American history.

Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 02:26:52 [Preview] No.15644 del

So the government failed to protect students from this known nutcase. Now they expect us to rely 100% on them for our future protection? How can this make any sense at all?

Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 04:46:24 [Preview] No.15646 del
the NRA is against freedom, the nra is an org. of cucks

Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 16:38:19 [Preview] No.15652 del
I consider men who do not want to be able to defend themselves and expect The State to protect everyone to be cucks. I consider men who jump in fright because the mainstream media tells them to be afraid, to be cucks.

So if you fall under either two definitions, you buddy, would be a cuck.

I am not going to be a disarmed cuck who cowers in fear, begging the government to protect me. If someone threatens me or my family then they will know damn well why our 2nd Amendment right was installed into our Constitution. Cucks be damned.

Oooops! Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 17:15:10 [Preview] No.15653 del
False Flag Updates: FBI and Cops Not Only Warned Multiple Times About Shooter, Deputies Stood Down During Shooting

RELATED: >>>/news/6556 ; >>>/news/6683 ; >>>/news/6746

Coral Springs police officers were "stunned and upset" to learn that four Broward County Sheriff's Deputies were stationed outside the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and had not entered to face an active shooter, sources with the Coral Springs, FL police department told CNN.

As the details behind the Police response to the Valentines Day massacre emerge, it appears that the Coral Springs Police department - which sent 130 officers to the scene - put their lives on the line while Broward County officers simply waited for backup as the scene unfolded, in what some Coral Springs officials perceived to be a derilection of duty.

Some Coral Springs police were stunned and upset that the four original Broward County Sheriff's deputies who were first on the scene did not appear to join them as they entered the school, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. It's unclear whether the shooter was still in the building when they arrived.

The four Broward Sheriff's deputies, including fired High School Resource Officer Scot Peterson, had their pistols drawn from behind the safety of their vehicles, and "not one of them had gone into the school," according to shocked Coral Springs police.

The Coral Springs officers, meanwhile, entered the building soon after they arrived on scene to confront the shooter, while the four Broward County Sheriff's deputies remained outside until two more officers arrived on scene along with an officer from neighboring Sunrise city.

What these Coral Springs officers observed -- though not their feelings about it -- will be released in a report, likely next week. Sources cautioned that tapes are currently being reviewed and official accounts could ultimately differ from recollections of officers on the scene.


Broward County deputies received at least 18 calls warning them about Nikolas Cruz from 2008 to 2017, including concerns that he "planned to shoot up the school" and other threats and acts of violence before he was accused of killing 17 people at a high school.

The warnings, made by concerned people close to Cruz, came in phone calls to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, records show. At least five callers mentioned concern over his access to weapons, according to the documents. None of those warnings led to direct intervention.

In February 2016, neighbors told police that they were worried he “planned to shoot up the school” after seeing alarming pictures on Instagram showing Cruz brandishing guns.


Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 17:16:35 [Preview] No.15654 del

A person close to the teenager accused of killing 17 people at a Florida high school warned the FBI she was concerned he would “get into a school and just shoot the place up,” according to a transcript of her call with a bureau tip line operator more than a month before the massacre.

The transcript, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, provides chilling detail about the woman’s efforts on Jan. 5 to warn authorities about Nikolas Cruz’s propensity for violence and his troubled past. The caller’s identification was redacted from the transcript, but the tip-line operator called her “ma’am.” (Read the transcript; redactions by FBI.)


“You know, it’s just so much,” she said on the call. “I know he’s—he’s going to explode.” She said she was making the call because she wanted a “clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up.”

The FBI last week acknowledged receiving such a call, which it said was from a person close to Mr. Cruz. But the transcript and the stark nature of the caller’s precise warnings about Mr. Cruz’s disturbing actions and volatile temperament, previously hasn’t been made public.


The FBI Was Warned About A School Shooting Threat From A YouTube User Named Nikolas Cruz In September


Law-Enforcement Officials Say YouTube Tip on Florida Shooter Wasn’t a Strong Lead

A user by the name of “nikolas cruz” in September posted a comment on a Mississippi bail bondsman’s video blog, saying, “Im going to be a professional school shooter.”


Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 17:50:35 [Preview] No.15656 del
False Flag Update: THEY KNEW! This Shooting Was Allowed To Happen To Push The Gun Confiscation Agenda

Amid public demands for transparency, the Broward Police have released the full list of 23 calls for service to the home of attacker Nikolas Cruz, in a desperate bid to deflect criticism over handling the Parkland school shooting. The final call, however, just like the transcript from the January 5 call discussed below, shows that serious concerns were not acted on.

“In the interest of full transparency, we are making available the list of all 23 calls for service at the Cruz home,” the sheriff’s office said in a Friday tweet. “18 involved Nikolas Cruz. None appeared arrestable under Florida law. However, two of the calls remain under internal investigation.”

As color coded in the list, the most serious warning came on November 30, 2017, when a caller located in Massachusetts advised that Cruz was collecting knives and was likely to conduct a school shooting. The caller was concerned Cruz would kill himself and “be a school shooter in the making.” They believed that Cruz’s weapons were kept at a friend's house.

The incident was categorized as ‘suspicious’ by Broward County Police but no report was initiated, according to the document. That call is now under Internal Affairs review and investigation, the document shows

In two incidents from 2012, Nikolas fought with his brother, Zachary, and hit his mother, Linda Cruz, with a plastic vacuum cleaner hose. In 2013, Linda told police Nikolas threw her against a wall because she confiscated his Xbox games console. The following year, he punched the wall after she took away the Xbox again. Later, in 2014, a neighbor reported Nikolas had shot at his chickens with an airsoft rifle, a replica of a real gun that shoots plastic pellets. In a "suspicious incident" recorded in 2016, an Instagram report said that Cruz was going to “shoot up a school.” The Instagram post involved a picture of guns.

A pdf of the full list of service calls can be found at the following link: https://app.box.com/s/m0jzfwsuriv9yq9qtrjp9ztxxz1j0pjj


A person close to Nikolas Cruz, the teenager accused of killing 17 people at a Florida high school on Valentines day, warned the FBI she was concerned Cruz would "get into a school and just shoot the place up," according to a leaked transcript of her call to the bureau's tip line one month before the massacre.

The transcript, seen by the Wall Street Journal, provides chilling detail about the woman’s efforts on January 5, just over a month before the February 14 tragedy, to warn authorities about Nikolas Cruz’s propensity for violence and his troubled past.

Tragically, the FBI was busier with other things.

“You know, it’s just so much,” said the caller. “I know he’s—he’s going to explode.” The woman said she was making the call because she wanted a “clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up,” according to the transcripts which were reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

The caller also mentioned that Cruz dressed up as a ninja or an ISIS fighter, according to the WSJ.

While the FBI last week acknowledged receiving such a call, the transcript, and the stark nature of the caller’s precise warnings about Cruz’s disturbing actions and volatile temperament, previously hasn’t been made public.

“It’s alarming to see these pictures and to know what he’s capable of doing and what could happen,” the caller continued. “He’s [been] thrown out of all these schools because he would pick up a chair and just throw it at somebody, a teacher or a student, because he didn’t like the way they were talking to him.”

She also said that Cruz was due to inherit $25,000 a year, from a life insurance policy, and she was worried that he would spend it on guns.


Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 19:18:56 [Preview] No.15657 del
How about enforcing existing gun laws before launching new ones?


The FBI knew about this threat, warned multiple times, did nothing.

Local law enforcement knew about this threat, warned multiple times, did nothing.

Some in local law enforcement even stood by, outside, while the attack happened and did nothing.

This is beyond pathetic! And Americans are supposed to trust the government to protect us!? Give me a fucking break, please!

Spread this far and spread this wide! People need to know the TRUTH!

Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 23:21:55 [Preview] No.15660 del
The Parkland Shooting was the (accidental) result of deep rooted corruption inside Broward and Miami-Dade County School Districts to artificially under-report student delinquency to obtain more federal funding. Serious crimes such as rape, armed robbery, drug-dealing, and even murder were covered by both the school administration and sheriff's department. Students were de facto untouchable by the law. Significant evidence exists that organized crime started using teenagers as foot soldiers and coordinating criminal activities based around these unspoken rules. Its a certainty that Cruz wasn't charged or sentenced based on his numerous run-ins with the law, and its a very real possibility that he was a part of this organized crime.

This is potentially the beginning of a massive wrongful death lawsuit that is perhaps unprecedented in its scope. Hell, this is probably why the sheriff and school is so passionate for gun control; its a distraction from its own corruption, graft, and incompetence.

>twitter thread




Anonymous 02/24/2018 (Sat) 23:42:33 [Preview] No.15661 del
good post, this is a very interesting finding.

Anonymous 03/01/2018 (Thu) 01:00:21 [Preview] No.15698 del
OK. Its becoming even more clear this was a false flag operation by the federal government. Not only did police stand down during the shooting, MEDICAL SERVICES were also ordered to stand down AFTER the attack... as students bled out and died!


Anonymous 03/01/2018 (Thu) 07:08:20 [Preview] No.15703 del
You're one of the stooges who believes Sandy Hook was a hoax perpetuated by the government. Bet you're the guy who posts Infowars articles at /news/. This is the 21st century, not the 1st, and it's time for you m to learn critical thinking and stop reading entertainment news that ever doesn't try to be honest.

Anonymous 03/01/2018 (Thu) 14:17:57 [Preview] No.15715 del
Your a stooge who believes everything told by the mainstream media is fact and does not question them when their narratives don't add up!

The FBI knew about this threat, warned multiple times, did nothing.

Local law enforcement knew about this threat, warned multiple times, did nothing.

Some in local law enforcement even stood by, outside, while the attack happened and did nothing.

Medical services were ordered to stand down after the attack, while kids were in need of emergency medical attention, while they bled out and died.

Teacher comes out, claims she saw fully grown men dressed in army gear shooting threw the hallways.

But of-course nothing to see here, right!? Fuck right off, we know damn well how these psychos work. And the MSM - as predictable - has their golden opportunity to blame innocent American gun owners who have done NOTHING wrong.

I'm not handing over my guns to you psychopaths.

Anonymous 03/04/2018 (Sun) 01:57:52 [Preview] No.15759 del

Why was this shooting reported BEFORE it happened!?


Anonymous 03/04/2018 (Sun) 03:46:50 [Preview] No.15762 del
So lets get this straight. The US government banned guns in public schools in the early 90s. Mass shootings in schools skyrocketed since then. The government knew about the recent threat... was informed multiple times about his threats to shoot up a school over his social media accounts. The government did nothing. And after the shooting to place, the same government told emergency medical services to stand down, as victims bled to death. Now a bunch of fools want the same government to ban us from owning guns in our own homes, over a recent attack the same government allowed to happen? The same government that banned teachers from being armed in school in the early 90s before all those mass shootings started taking place?

Absolutely.... fucking.... 100%... ridiculous. The lack of logic is utterly insane. I am keeping my guns and the US government can go straight back to hell where they belong!

Anonymous 03/10/2018 (Sat) 14:46:42 [Preview] No.15806 del
Parkland False Flag Shooting Updates:

In a nutshell:

1. Broward Deputy Scot Peterson got caught lying when claiming the the shooting was outside the building, to cover up the fact he did NOTHING to prevent that shooting. This has been exposed via police radio recordings.


2. Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel has refused to release surveillance footage of the shooting which could PROVE whether or not Nikolas Cruz was the real shooter! What a way to stir more conspiracy, right?


3. Two SWAT officers have been suspended... why? You can't make this up... FOR ENGAGING THE SHOOTER! They were not given permission to do this. In other words, they refused to stand down while the shooting took place!


4. FBI now admits that "they fucked up." Yes, they were given multiple warnings about Nikolas Cruz threatening to shoot up the school and DID NOTHING to prevent it.


Anonymous 03/10/2018 (Sat) 15:16:20 [Preview] No.15807 del
So now we know there is one hell of a massive cover-up. Just to get all the facts straight, review this timeline:

https://archive.fo/J0Zby (Active Shooter Drills, Multiple Shooters Witnessed, FBI Was Aware of Killer)
https://archive.fo/OwFuo (Trump Blasts FBI For Not Taking Action Against Parkland Shooter)
https://archive.fo/7gLNY (Citizen Journalist Blows Truth About Parkland Shooting Wide Open)
https://archive.fo/FP6V4 (FBI and Cops Warned Multiple Times About Shooter, Deputies Stood Down During Shooting)
https://archive.fo/EgWD6 (Local Police and FBI Knew of Shooter's Social Media Threats, Did Nothing)
https://archive.fo/EzqrU (Emergency Medical Teams Ordered To STAND DOWN After Shooting, While Students Bled Out And Died)
https://archive.fo/kmPsX (Police Radio Recordings Prove Cover Up, Sheriff Refuses to Release Surveillance Footage, SWAT Officers Suspended For Not Standing Down, FBI Admits They Knew About Deadly Threats And Failed To Take Action)

As POTUS, Trump should shut the fuck up about gun control and demand ALL this be declassified including the video surveillance footage. As POTUS he has the right to declassify anything he wants. This is what I would personally do! Dump it all and lets see what REALLY happened!

Anonymous 03/10/2018 (Sat) 20:20:24 [Preview] No.15808 del
man this chan is bad about giant walls of text and cut and paste posting. laughably bad tbh.

Anonymous 03/12/2018 (Mon) 00:09:36 [Preview] No.15811 del
Its the only way to spread the truth around, so thats a good thing not a bad thing.

Anonymous 03/12/2018 (Mon) 14:19:38 [Preview] No.15812 del
no its terrible this board is just half coherent rambling and things copy and pasted from other places. this board does not act like a /b/ board it doesn't even have a sense of humor. you feel like your spreading truth, but in the end your just spouting things other people told you with zero research of your own. this board is just schizo and terrible.

Anonymous 03/12/2018 (Mon) 14:35:44 [Preview] No.15815 del
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Anonymous 03/12/2018 (Mon) 17:57:23 [Preview] No.15819 del
No, face it, OP lost the debate on this issue, completely BTFO. And the statistics were shown and proven, see here: >>15638

Articles were linked exposing this false flag: such as the stand downs of law enforcement, the FBI, to even emergency medical services right after the attack being ordered to stand down. This shooter posted on his social media pages he was going to shoot up the school. FBI was notified - MULTIPLE TIMES - did nothing! Deputies stood down during the attack allowing it to happen, did nothing and then got caught lying about it when the police radio tapes were released! Multiple witnesses said they have seen more than one shooter, including a school teacher. See here: >>15806 and here: >>15807

So this whole narrative does not add up, and if our own federal government refuses to investigate threats when warned about them, and orders the stand down of prevention and emergency services ... then WHY IN THE HELL would I trust them to protect me in my own home!? No! No! No! They cannot take our guns when they have proven themselves to be a bunch of incompetent cowards!

And now we have some goofball spasming out and spamming the main /news/ board because he can't stand being BTFO. Understood.

Anonymous 03/13/2018 (Tue) 00:54:55 [Preview] No.15826 del
California has every gun control pushed in the wake of the February 14 attack on Florida’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The state’s gun controls include an “assault weapons” ban, universal background checks, firearm confiscation laws (Gun Violence Restraining Orders), firearm registration requirements, firearm owner safety certification requirements, a 10-day waiting period for gun purchases, and “good cause” limitations on the issuance of concealed carry licenses.

The state also has ammunition controls which require Californians to buy ammunition from state-approved vendors and bar residents from buying ammo out-of-state.

None of these gun controls prevented the attack on the Veterans Home of California in Yountville:


Let this be yet another example that gun control really does not work very well. All you are doing is taking the guns away from law-abiding citizens, NOT those who intend to harm others.

Anonymous 03/13/2018 (Tue) 04:35:10 [Preview] No.15827 del
you dont get it im not even reading these walls of text you guys like to exchange on politics. im telling you that its garbage content and its literally all this board has. no one comes to /b/ for walls of text on politics, there's a good reason this board is as dead as it is.

Anonymous 03/13/2018 (Tue) 14:54:01 [Preview] No.15828 del
No, if you refuse to read then clearly you don't get the whole issue, nor do you want to. I guess it is pointless trying to debate something with someone who is too stubborn to look at some facts that are laid our right in front of you. "walls of text" lol, does this mean you won't read news either?

Anonymous 03/14/2018 (Wed) 01:31:49 [Preview] No.15834 del
Look closer and you will see California doesn't have a ban because the NRA nerfs laws and won't let them do anything useful. It it's full of loopholes, and saying otherwise is to below e propaganda.

Anonymous 03/14/2018 (Wed) 17:25:49 [Preview] No.15842 del
You are fucking kidding yourself, Commiefornia has the most strict and harsh anti-gun laws in the US. You need a license to buy ammo for peets sake! They do open confiscations, over 105 confiscations from persons recorded last year alone according to the state police. And they keep adding new restrictions every couple years!

No it does not work. Criminals will keep the guns. Citizens who abide by the law forfeit them to the authorities. That means good people = defenseless, and criminals = still armed! It does not work. It never has worked. It will never will work.

Put it this way. Drunk driving kills more citizens than murderers with guns. Should we ban citizens from driving cars because there are drunk drivers?

Anonymous 03/15/2018 (Thu) 00:55:28 [Preview] No.15848 del

-Over 18 gun incidents in schools on less than 2 months.
-Daily mass shootings
-Moronic gunlaws

Any other civilized country:
-No gun incidents at school in 2 months.
-No mass shootings
-Common sense gunlaws.

Your argument is invalid. But that probably doesn't stop you from doing the stereotypical ameritard thing of just ignoring facts.

Anonymous 03/15/2018 (Thu) 11:40:24 [Preview] No.15852 del
No all countries with gun control are "safe", in fact many (such as in Mexico) have horrific murder rates and are riddled with drug cartels and gangs. The citizens can't defend themselves over there. Europe is facing a massive crime wave with their migrants, citizens can't defend themselves over there either.

I don't give a shit about other countries' laws though. WE ARE AMERICA. We are sovereign. We can have our own laws and our own rights. And unlike you, I'd like to keep it that way. If your too scared to own a gun and defend yourself, that's on you. Don't bitch about me being able to defend myself, because I WILL NOT give up my guns.

Anonymous 03/15/2018 (Thu) 11:59:58 [Preview] No.15853 del
This looks like logical legislation to deal with the problem of school shootings: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4909/text

It protects our rights to bear arms. At the same time it will create a task force for schools to intervene with children who show signs of hostility or who have made physical threats to harm others. They can then have law enforcement remove these types from the schools as they evaluate them. This shooter was one of those types by the way, although the FBI did nothing about his threats when being warned. Perhaps the schools would if funded and authorized to do so.

I won't get into the other issue with schools being "gun-free zones" which is absolutely ridiculous on its ass.

Anonymous 03/15/2018 (Thu) 15:35:17 [Preview] No.15864 del
>I won't get into the other issue with schools being "gun-free zones" which is absolutely ridiculous on its ass.

Gun free zones are just another way of saying "please don't bring guns in here and murder us, you are not allowed to do that." Hardened criminals don't follow laws or rules and people tend to forget that one significant fact. The only deterrent would either be having armed police around or armed teachers/school staff.

As for that legislation, we hope schools would be more competent than law enforcement but it can be difficult to spot a killer who decides to act normal and blend in with everyone else. This absolutely requires co-operation with students which would encourage snitching on 'abnormal' peers. Can you imagine the chaos (and possible abuse) that could ensue with hoards of gossiping teenage snitches? Thus the best option would be to mandate the school have armed guards, or police, or to train and arm their teachers.

One thing is for sure, school shootings need to stop. And we need to stop blaming innocent citizens and stop trying to punish them over what some psychos choose to do.

More Damning Information About Parkland False Flag Shooting: Authorities Had All The Evidence... Anonymous 03/19/2018 (Mon) 16:40:25 [Preview] No.15906 del
More Damning Information About Parkland False Flag Shooting: Authorities Had All The Evidence To Prevent This Shooting

https://archive.fo/J0Zby (Active Shooter Drills, Multiple Shooters Witnessed, FBI Was Aware of Killer)
https://archive.fo/OwFuo (Trump Blasts FBI For Not Taking Action Against Parkland Shooter)
https://archive.fo/7gLNY (Citizen Journalist Blows Truth About Parkland Shooting Wide Open)
https://archive.fo/FP6V4 (FBI and Cops Warned Multiple Times About Shooter, Deputies Stood Down During Shooting)
https://archive.fo/EgWD6 (Local Police and FBI Knew of Shooter's Social Media Threats, Did Nothing)
https://archive.fo/EzqrU (Emergency Medical Teams Ordered To STAND DOWN After Shooting, While Students Bled Out And Died)
https://archive.fo/kmPsX (Police Radio Recordings Prove Cover Up, Sheriff Refuses to Release Surveillance Footage, SWAT Officers Suspended For Not Standing Down, FBI Admits They Knew About Deadly Threats And Failed To Take Action)

FACT: There were already laws in place to prevent this shooting and to confiscate the shooter's guns. Neither did the FBI (who were tipped off about Cruz) NOR the local police (who were also tipped off about Cruz) do anything! Therefore the failures are NOT constitutional protections, but the lack of policing current laws and taking protective measures against a KNOWN dangerous armed individual!

In yet another failure by officials which could have prevented last month's Florida school massacre, Parkland school officials and a sheriff's deputy recommended in September 2016 that suspect Nikolas Cruz be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility for a mental evaluation, according to documents obtained by the Associated Press.

Under the law, having been committed would have made it more difficult, if not impossible for Cruz to have legally obtained firearms.

The documents, which are part of Cruz’s criminal case in the shooting, show that he had written the word “kill” in a notebook, told a classmate that he wanted to buy a gun and use it, and had cut his arm supposedly in anger because he had broken up with a girlfriend. He also told another student he had drunk gasoline and was throwing up. Calls had even been made to the FBI about the possibility of Cruz using a gun at school. -AP

A psychological assessment service initiated by Cruz's mother, Henderson Behavioral Health (HBH), show high school resource officer and Sheriff's deputy Scot Peterson along with two high school counselers recommending that Cruz be committed for mental evaluation under Florida's Baker Act - which allows for the involuntary commitment of a person for at least three days.

Peterson resigned after his failure to enter the building as shots rang out.

#BREAKING: Broward County Sheriff's Office releases security video showing Deputy Scot Peterson's actions during the February 14 shooting. pic.twitter.com/gs9kAbfgRq

— Ryan Saavedra 🇺🇸 (@RealSaavedra) March 15, 2018

Florida law would have allowed Peterson to initiate Cruz's commitment under the Baker Act.

Cruz, 19, faces the death penalty for the February 14 murder of 17 students and teachers, and the wounding of 17 others alleged in a 34-count indictment. Cruz's public defender Melisa McNeill says he would seek a life sentence in exchange for a guilty plea if convicted.

The documents from HBH reveal that Cruz's mother Lynda had fresh concerns about Nikolas's mental state after he punched holes in the wall. After staff from the behavioral clininc came to interview Cruz and the family, Cruz admitted to punching holes but said he did so over breaking up with his girlfriend. He also admitted to cutting his arm with a pencil sharpener.

Anonymous 03/19/2018 (Mon) 16:41:50 [Preview] No.15907 del
After a Sept. 28, 2016 interview, the documents say Cruz “reports that he cut his arms 3-4 weeks ago and states that this is the only time he has ever cut. (Cruz) states that he cut because he was lonely, states that he had broken up with his girlfriend and reports that his grades had fallen. (Cruz) states that he is better now, reports that he is no longer lonely and states that his grades have gone back up.”

He also told the clinician he owned only a pellet gun and was not capable of doing “serious harm” to anyone. -AP

Authorities had ample warning about Cruz...

In February, Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) Friday that the FBI never contacted Google - which owns YouTube, after it was reported that suspect Nikolas Cruz, under his own name, said "I'm going to be a professional school shooter" in a YouTube video comment last September.

When the uploader of the video, Ben Bennight, contacted the FBI shortly after Cruz left the comment, officials spoke with him for 20 minutes, after which there was no follow up until the same agent or agents came to his home on Wednesday.

In a press conference late last week, Special Agent Robert Lansky who is in charge of the Miami FBI division said that the FBI received the tip, however they were "unable to further identify" the person who made the comment, despite conducting "database reviews" and "checks."

"No other information was included with that comment, which would indicate a time, location or the true identity of the person who made the comment," Lasky said. "The FBI conducted database reviews, checks, but was unable to further identify the person who actually made the comment."

Had they simply followed up, the FBI would have also discovered from Florida's state social services agency that Cruz intended to buy a gun, or that he had been cutting his arms on snapchat.

FBI investigators could have then called the Broward County Sheriff's department and found out about the 23 timesdeputies responded to Cruz's home over a seven year period for emergencies including a "mentally ill person, " "child/elderly abuse", "domestic disturbance," and "missing person."

The last call received by Broward County Sheriff's office on November 30, was a warning a caller who warned that Cruz is collecting guns and knives. Concerned he will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making."

To top things off, a young woman close to Cruz warned the FBI she was concerned he would "get into a school and just shoot the place up," according to a leaked transcript of her call to the bureau's tip line one month before the massacre.

You know, its just so much, said the caller. I know he's going to explode. The woman said she was making the call because she wanted a clear conscience if he takes off and, and just starts shooting places up, according to the transcripts which were reviewed by the Wall Street Journal.

Two different people specifically told authorities from two different agencies that Cruz might shoot up a school, and the school resource officer who fled the shooting failed to have him committed to a psychiatric unit.

Furthermore, had Cruz been properly arrested and prosecuted for holding a gun to his brother and mother's head, threatening them - he would have likely been charged with a felony, and also been unable to legally obtain weapons.

And sadly, student "puppets" from Parkland have been trotted out on national television to discuss gun control, not mental health, after what was perhaps the world's most preventable school shooting.


MSM BLACKOUT: Gun Owner Shoots Maryland Highschool Shooter, Saving Lives! Anonymous 03/20/2018 (Tue) 15:24:07 [Preview] No.15912 del
MSM BLACKOUT: Gun Owner Shoots Maryland Highschool Shooter, Saving Lives!

Reports indicate a resource officer at Maryland’s Great Mills High School “exchanged gunfire” with the attacker Tuesday morning to end the threat.

Breitbart News reported news of the shooting and indicated that St. Mary’s County Sheriff Office was on scene and FBI and ATF agents were en route.

Injuries are reported as three, including the shooter.

ABC 7’s Brad Bell tweeted:

#BREAKING confirmed with sources at #greatmillsshooting : 3 students injured. 1 is the shooter. A school resource officer was on duty and took action to end threat. No final word on conditions.

— Brad Bell (@ABC7Brad) March 20, 2018

NBC’s Christina Ginn tweeted:

BREAKING: School resource officer exchanged gunfire with shooter at MD school shooting. #GreatMillsHighSchool Live coverage on @MSNBC. @NBCNews

— Christina Ginn (@NBChristinaGinn) March 20, 2018

WTOP reports that the shooting began with a single shot fired at “a girl in the hallway” at the start of the school day at Great Mills High. It is unclear how many more shots were fired as “students and staff” alerted the resource officer. That officer then moved to engage the shooter, ending the threat.

WSAV/WRC reports that two students were reportedly injured and are hospitalized in critical condition as a result of the shooting. They confirmed that the shooter was also in critical condition after being engaged by the resource officer.


Anonymous 03/21/2018 (Wed) 19:45:54 [Preview] No.15932 del
>I don't give a shit about other countries' laws though. WE ARE AMERICA
>look at how well Mexican citizens do the police's job against the guns we manufactured

We should employ guards trained in Islam to protect people from the Islam attacks here in Europe, to show Mexicans how to apply American logic correctly.

Tipping motherfuckers who can't even pay employers living wage so the customer has to micromanage their shit.

Anonymous 03/21/2018 (Wed) 19:46:50 [Preview] No.15933 del

Anonymous 03/21/2018 (Wed) 20:16:45 [Preview] No.15934 del
You can thank Obama for allowing his DOJ to smuggle weapons to Mexico for the drug cartels in "Operation Fast and Furious"... thats not really our fault but our government who organized that! Oh yah, the same government the leftists think should micromanage our lives and "protect us" as they fund "moderate rebels" to destabilize the Middle East and Europe. But blame us gun owning citizens for everything our government fucks up, right?

Anonymous 03/21/2018 (Wed) 21:04:04 [Preview] No.15936 del
Everyone calling for 'gun control' either does not understand America already has gun control, or intentionally desires gun confiscation.

America's many gun control laws:

1) The NFA classified all weapons for federal regulations. The FFA mandates that all dealers must have federal licenses and approval to sell weapons.
2) Assault weapons [fully-autos] are illegal to own without a federal license from the ATF, and there are numerous regulations if you do get a license [such as travel restrictions with it, where you can store it, see GCA].
3) Gun-Free Zones for almost all institutions including malls and public theaters. [Gun-Free Zone Act]
4) Background checks. No one with a felony record can purchase a gun. Also no one who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions [see Brady Act and NICS]
5) Conceal Carry permits. You must have a license to conceal carry even if you own that gun legally.
6) There are other laws in place where law enforcement can confiscate firearms from someone who has made physical threats to an individual or group of people. These laws often vary from state to state, but most states have these protective measures in place.

So we have plenty of gun control in America. But we also have the 2nd Amendment which guarantees us the right to bear arms.

DC Metropolitan Police Admit ‘March For Our Lives’ Was Planned BEFORE Florida School Shooting Anonymous 04/02/2018 (Mon) 16:19:20 [Preview] No.16087 del
More Damning Information About Parkland False Flag Shooting: Anti-gun Protests Were Planned BEFORE Terror Attack!

https://archive.fo/J0Zby (Active Shooter Drills, Multiple Shooters Witnessed, FBI Was Aware of Killer)
https://archive.fo/OwFuo (Trump Blasts FBI For Not Taking Action Against Parkland Shooter)
https://archive.fo/7gLNY (Citizen Journalist Blows Truth About Parkland Shooting Wide Open)
https://archive.fo/FP6V4 (FBI and Cops Warned Multiple Times About Shooter, Deputies Stood Down During Shooting)
https://archive.fo/EgWD6 (Local Police and FBI Knew of Shooter's Social Media Threats, Did Nothing)
https://archive.fo/EzqrU (Emergency Medical Teams Ordered To STAND DOWN After Shooting, While Students Bled Out And Died)
https://archive.fo/kmPsX (Police Radio Recordings Prove Cover Up and Much More...)
https://archive.fo/N8LPt (Authorities Had All The Evidence To Prevent This Shooting, Stood Down)
https://archive.fo/4lKrh (Busted! Soros Paid March For Our Lives Protestors $300 Each)

Freedom of information (FOI) documents reveal that the ‘March For Our Lives’ protest was planned months in advance, long before the Parkland shooting occurred.

FOI documents obtained by political researcher Ole Dammegard from the Washington DC Metropolitan Police Department reveals that the March 24th protest was planned in 2017 by far-left groups funded by George Soros.

Memoryholeblog.org reports: https://archive.fo/xzO4V

Days ago several alternative news outlets questioned seeming contradictions in Parkland gun control student activist David Hogg’s recollection of the February 14, 2018 events-specifically whether Hogg was on school grounds during the shooting or lounging at his residence.

Several months of planning to organize an event of this scale is common. This admission calls into further question the underlying veracity of the Parkland shooting, as attested to by law enforcement authorities, and vigorously promoted throughout corporate media.

Below is the text of that email.

Good morning,

In reference to your inquiry concerning the March For Our Lives Demonstration, here in the District of Columbia on March 24, 2018. MPD received a permit application several months prior to the actual event, and there was several months of planning for this large event.

If your are requesting additional information reference this event, please follow the below steps to file your Freedom of Information Act request:


If your have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free in contacting me directly.

Officer Scott C. Earhardt, Badge No. 2372
Homeland Security Bureau
Special Operations Division
Planning and Logistics
Metropolitan Police Department
2850 New York Ave., N.E.
Washington, D.C. 20002
202-671-6529 (Office)
202-671-6522 (Planning)
202-671-6511 (Station)


Anonymous 04/02/2018 (Mon) 16:36:33 [Preview] No.16088 del
>children dying
>"it's not my fault!" screams the gun owning population
>disregard arguments
well said
As a matter of fact I thank you for your integrity in letting your children die for your cause, no need to kill them later in the upcoming fresh water world war.

Anonymous 04/03/2018 (Tue) 16:03:42 [Preview] No.16094 del
It is been random psychopaths who have been killing people, not innocent law-abiding civilians. Why should I have my rights taken away because we have a few loose screws in society!? Why should everyone have their rights taken away when the US government and law enforcement clearly (and deliberately) failed to stop the recent shooting? See here: >>16087

You are just another bootlicking, authoritarian ass-kisser who has delusions that governments are angels who protect and love the citizenry, who are completely competent and can do all for us. Grow up.

Constitutionalism Anonymous 04/04/2018 (Wed) 03:26:48 [Preview] No.16099 del
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Why can't America just go back to the way our founding fathers visioned America where the people just ran themselves and the government had no say so in everyone's lives.

Anonymous 04/04/2018 (Wed) 15:38:58 [Preview] No.16106 del
I totally agree anon. Why is there such an urge these days to censor and control and micro-manage everyone's lives? Its like we are seeing history repeat itself all over again. Maybe it is.

BTW: these wannabe gun-grabbers are dumb. You march with "ban the guns" signs in the streets now watch what happens:


Record firearm sales all over again! Every time, like clockwork!

Anonymous 04/04/2018 (Wed) 17:34:50 [Preview] No.16107 del
Because there were only 4 million people back then, and the fathers graciously promised not to step on any of their toes in all of USA, as if it's of any pressure to them. If it's so important to you, there's currently at least 4 million people in USA that are still just fine and dandy. The rest are trash competing for the same elbow room, deliberately living on a system that relies on that every new generation outnumbers the previous one so there's one pair of hands to inherit the wealth and another to slave their life away in healthcare and education. Consumers aren't taking initiative to outbid the public solutions, that's why.

Dead Kennedys knows the solution, but it was supposed to be satire.

Anonymous 04/04/2018 (Wed) 18:02:08 [Preview] No.16108 del
Then get out of the city and go rural. There is PLENTY of room in the rural areas to live. You do realize how MASSIVE the USA really is, right? Its almost as big as Asia or Russia. Its fucking huge.

The problem is not population... the problem is compact cities, greed and control freak bureaucrats (commies).

Commiefornia's Gun Control Did Not Prevent Another Shooting! Anonymous 04/04/2018 (Wed) 18:05:11 [Preview] No.16109 del
Commiefornia Gun Ban, Confiscation Orders Did NOT Prevent YouTube Shooting

California has an “assault weapons” ban and firearm confiscation orders but neither control prevented the Tuesday attack at YouTube’s San Bruno headquarters.

Ironically, “assault weapons” bans and confiscation orders have been put forward as controls needed in the aftermath of the February 14 Parkland school shooting. Gun control proponents also pushed universal background checks and waiting periods following the Parkland attack, but California has both of those too.

In fact, California has some of the most stringent gun controls in the country. The “assault weapons” ban, confiscation orders, universal background checks, and 10-day waiting period are complimented by a requirement that would-be firearm owners acquire a safety certificate from the state, that all firearms be registered with the state, and that law-abiding citizens pursuing a concealed carry permit demonstrate “good cause” for wanting to carry a gun.

Ammunition controls already exist in California, too. These require that Californians only buy ammunition from state-approved vendors and, starting January 1, 2019, will require residents to pass a point-of-sale background check for a box of bullets.

But none of these controls prevented Nasim Aghdam from possessing a handgun with which she injured three then killed herself at YouTube headquarters.


Anonymous 04/06/2018 (Fri) 19:04:16 [Preview] No.16134 del
that's all false. none of those confiscating orders have ever been carried out. its a law that is pending and so of course they still have the same guns

Anonymous 04/06/2018 (Fri) 20:35:24 [Preview] No.16135 del
The law is not pending, its already been passed into acting law already, but face it, the police do not have enough man power to go door to door - one suburb after another suburb to confiscate all those firearms (from potentially millions of homes) so the local police departments ask people to turn them in claiming "its against the law to possess semi-auto firearms". The ironic part is almost no one is turning them in because its unconstitutional and many are saying 'screw you' to all the commie bureaucrats.

Look what is going on in Deerfield IL right now. Same thing! Gun owners are rightfully pissed off because their constitutional rights are being violated under new laws. The laws already passed, police are threatening prison time and fines for possession. But guess what? Many are not cowering in fear, they are joining up with orgs like the GOA, GSL and the NRA to file lawsuits against these abusive despotic officials. They are saying "no!" which is a great thing to see. Most Americans do not want to give up their arms - and no matter what laws are passed, most will disobey and will take these officials to court.

Anonymous 04/06/2018 (Fri) 23:24:59 [Preview] No.16136 del
> its already been passed into acting law already,
Wrong, it hasn't been implemented and won't for at least another year. You need to look into it. You're defending the wrong side and both the NRA and the militia are the source of much terrorism today. At least I'm good enough not to be a mouthpiece for the NRA and her corporate gun manufacturers.

We are the pure and chosen few
And all the rest are damned
There’s room enough in hell for you
We don’t want heaven crammed.

Anonymous 04/08/2018 (Sun) 13:31:32 [Preview] No.16154 del
You are delusional. Militias have nothing to do with these random shootings nor does the NRA or any other gun club. Psychopaths are the ones going on their rampages (typically drugged up in almost every single case too - as was this recent shooter).

You seem to think every single gun owner should be held responsible for what a psychopath does. Perhaps we should seize assets and lock all the liberals up as well because a few Antifa thugs have beaten innocent people up? See how that tyranny works? You do realize you have blamed millions of innocent Americans for the actions of a few psychos, right? Gee, I wonder who else has done that before.... Read a fucking history book!

Anonymous 04/08/2018 (Sun) 14:13:27 [Preview] No.16155 del
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The United States already has extensive gun control. 1) You cannot purchase a gun if you are a convicted felon or have any felony record. 2) Federal background checks already exist and have for many years. 3) Stronger background checks passed via "Fix-NICS" THIS YEAR. Forgot about that already? 4) Restraining orders issued by courts grant police the right to seize guns from potentially dangerous persons. 5) New "Red Flag" laws give police confiscation powers by saying anyone who is acting crazy in any way can have their 2nd Amendment revoked (this could include shooting off a .22 in your own back yard at a squirrel). 6) Assault weapons [full-autos] already restricted and highly regulated - next to impossible to buy one legally. 7) Bumpstocks are banned now.

Golly, what more do the communists want? Remember the leftists lying to us before saying they "don't want to confiscate your guns?" Now its all out in the open. Now they are calling for gun confiscation! Remember people like Alex Jones were called stir crazy for insinuating that? At least we know the truth, they want full blown mass confiscation.

Anonymous 04/09/2018 (Mon) 15:20:00 [Preview] No.16168 del
Because tyrants won't be satisfied until they completely disarm the public, mandate the state control all your finances, force you and your family tp re-locate into a compact polluted mega-city, slap you with a 50%-income confiscated carbon tax for breathing, kill all those "evil Christians" or send them to gulags to starve, micro-manage and spy on everything you do, ban meat, force your daughter or son to have a sex change, force you to share your home with welfare bums... have I made my point very clear yet? Think I'm kidding? No. No I am not kidding.

Anonymous 04/09/2018 (Mon) 17:12:19 [Preview] No.16169 del
In communist and socialist countries they ban prepping too. Everything the goyim is serviced with is rationed and highly regulated. If one person stocks up on supplies and authorities find out about it they'll end up confiscating those assets. Nothing is allowed to empower individuals or people. The reason they want to ban guns? It all goes hand in hand (see video).

Anonymous 04/09/2018 (Mon) 23:09:37 [Preview] No.16172 del
I can own an ar-15 and shoot down a police chopper or would 850 people in las Vegas and kill 60 more so that's not good enough. We need a better assault weapon ban.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 17:44:40 [Preview] No.16180 del
You just do not get it. Semi-autos are NOT "assault weapons". Full-autos are assault weapons, which are highly regulated (far more so than semi-autos) and most Americans do not own a full-auto!

What you are calling for is a ban on firearms, period. 98% of the firearms Americans own are semi-autos ... NOT assault weapons. By claiming you want to ban semi-autos this would make 98% of all firearms in American possession illegal!

An AR-15 is NOT an "assault weapon" !!! And if you had any clue about guns you would be shocked to know there are hundreds of other rifle models that are just as good if not even better for combat!

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 19:26:35 [Preview] No.16182 del
In crypto-marxist socialist countries like USA that LIE about the ways they are socialist, and call keynesian policies "a form of capitalism", kike shills like you promote the defanging of vote as the simple one, extra layer of government accountability that it is, and handing all the same powers plus more directly to corporations that will deliberately function like Venezuela instead of failing their way into it. The only stopgap being a fantasy that one of these days you'll stand up straight and starve rather than buy their products with money, the capitalist vote.

The socialist hegemony starts by dumping the surplus ills into Brazil and Mexico, and then encroaching the borders of the dumping ground closer and closer in as it incentivices immigration and Brazilification (Detroit for example) under the pressure of undeniable material unsustainability, and the assigned "winners" of socialism are conned into thinking they're capitalists, for as slow burn as the hegemony is able to manage. Real US borders encroach all of the two continents and plenty off-bases, but the useful idiots are confined within the USA where they are used as fodder for an air of legitimacy, for as long as their fluorided, de-educated fetal alcohol syndrome brains can take it. Every single one of the prepper morons and antifa thugs think they are so free they're just above it all, but in reality they're the biggest cancer on humanity there is, the idle aristocracy who have show careers at humble but easy 10-hour day jobs and think they're the working class of the world, while supplying their military complex with votes, soldiers and middle management that live safely among them as they rot the world away. A few school shootings with a handful of victims does nothing but incentivices them to be even more protective of their denialist lifestyle.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 19:37:55 [Preview] No.16184 del
Keep your guns but admit your socialism. NO? You'd rather keep up the anti-socialist propaganda and hypocricy? Well well. There's two things that actually go hand in hand, scumbag. Your shit-eating friend in the video, too.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 19:51:51 [Preview] No.16185 del
I own many guns in my video games, but I'm not so insecure that I need an AR-15 in real life. Just like how I play flying games but don't need to fly a plane in real life.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=a2AG-jDW3-s [Embed]

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 19:52:21 [Preview] No.16186 del
>prepper morons

Hahahaha! So you rant against the ills of society and flaws... but you don't want the goyim to prepare to protect themselves? If we are 'tin foil morons' for wanting to become self-sufficient and depend on ourselves rather than the failed State, then I am proud to be labeled that and I will keep my guns at that!

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 20:04:59 [Preview] No.16187 del
>while supplying their military complex with votes, soldiers and middle management that live safely among them as they rot the world away.

We do that via taxes too. But guess what? Its by force via our out-of-control criminal government and I dare you to make an income and not pay taxes. I dare you. You will end up a bitch in federal prison - or if your lucky, dead by a SWAT team. Most people including myself rather pay the fucking tax and be left alone so we can survive and get on with our lives.

As for shilling socialism? Come on! That only expands the tyranny on so many fronts. As for our so-called "capitalist country" I find it ironically amusing we have the world's largest welfare state as we hold the world's highest record of industrial outsourcing! Oh, and consider that with the fact that before the Fed came into power in 1913 we didn't even have an income tax in America! It comes down to the Rothschild banking cartel dude, just like they ran the Soviet Union into the ground fiscally. Same thing happening here in the USSA!

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 20:11:57 [Preview] No.16188 del
All is well in virtual reality but when SHTF, all virtual reality will be cut off in a matter of seconds and then you are faced with hard stone cold reality in the dark... and whatever you have (or don't have) will decide your fate at that point in time. And reality can be a fucking bitch so good luck.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 21:38:39 [Preview] No.16189 del
Out of all the preppers, you moron ones are the first to get triggered over your micronations being a sad joke.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 21:44:44 [Preview] No.16190 del
>out-of-control criminal government
Anti-democracy sentiment from a sellout lone actor who pays taxes to "spread democracy"... spread it in a bullet through your head. Socialism is admittance that a vote is just a means to control shared property, but you're protectionist about covering your "criminal" government that in fact represents your ethos to a t. I'm shilling honesty about it, you're shilling kikery.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 21:56:06 [Preview] No.16191 del
Triggered? Nah. I love the fact that I have prepared for hard times. While other sheeple will be giving up their guns and assholes for food ans water, I will be boarding up from within, katy-barring the doors and taking the shotguns out to protect myself, my immediate family and my property. I'll have hot meals because I prepared well for grid-down scenarios and plenty of books and decks of cards to pass the time. And plenty of lead (among other not-so-pleasant defenses) encase anyone tries to rob or hurt us.

I sleep very comfortably at night knowing I have DIY re-enforced batter-ram proof doors (yes, tested) and can within minutes notice flip on some LEDs (powered by an inverter and a12v battery) to light up a room when the power goes dark, take out my loaded shotgun and head for strategic cover for the offensive. Feels good bro!

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 21:58:14 [Preview] No.16192 del
Even as a failed state you get a lot of iPads and food for your "capitalism"... so is "capitalism" the thing that creates prosperity? Because that's the metric people toss around. What creates prosperity? Anything that creates it for you, and whatever that is you will call honorary "capitalism".

yeah, you'll live like a king with drones and EMPS coming after you

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 21:59:41 [Preview] No.16193 del
Explain what you are trying to say in simple terms please... don't beat around the bush and get all ideological.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:05:54 [Preview] No.16194 del
Capitalism starts with creating and producing capital - something America has forgotten how to do for a looong ass time. Tell you what... go to the average store and look at each product and make notes on where everything was made and manufactured from. When you come back with only 10% or 15% "made in the USA", I think you'll catch the drift! (Outsourcing domestic industry kills domestic capital production!)


If I'm droned, that's fine by me! Better dead than a slave. But hey, at least the government will be documented as the insane criminals they are. Thats on them and their reputation. Can't wait to read the future Russian history books hahaha!

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:19:19 [Preview] No.16196 del
Nothing more can be said, only simplified in longer, dumbed-down text.

Latin, kratos demos, the power is used in accordance to the will of the people. USA represents the will of Americans with non-criminal accuracy. You're not picking up your arms against it, you condone it. If citizenry is so criminal to not police their government when that exactly is the justification to the 2nd amendment which is in action, that means the government is exactly as criminal as it should, by the demand of the wielder of power: the citizenry. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too by externalizing your demonstrably representative democratic leader, undermining your democracy when it suits you.

Even having to explain this blatantly obvious hypocricy is just sad.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:23:15 [Preview] No.16197 del
>go to the average store and look at each product and make notes on where everything was made and manufactured from

Oh so it's not an issue that the shelves are empty? Not what I heard previously, but I expected that you fucking snake.

>But hey, at least the government will be documented as the insane criminals they are.
Look at the store shelves and admire the documented evidence where the food and iPads are taken from. If you're not feeling warm and fuzzy inside you can maybe suck some more dick and you'll get there.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:24:46 [Preview] No.16198 del
Well I do not think we have reached the boiling point (at least not yet). Perhaps there will be a day a line in the sand will be crossed. The major obstacle is the consensus with the masses on "what is our line in the sand exactly?" I think its when gun confiscation is enforced (at least thats what a lot of Americans have concluded, and so have I). So we'll wait and see what happens. If they do come for my guns, I WILL FIGHT BACK, TO THE DEATH. So... will you? Will others? We'll have to wait and see.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:27:24 [Preview] No.16199 del
Yeah, we're all waiting eagerly for real capitalism ever having been tried. That's not a cop-out at all.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:37:22 [Preview] No.16200 del
>Oh so it's not an issue that the shelves are empty?

I don't think you understood me. I meant as of now. Take a look how little is actually manufactured or produced here domestically. That is a lack of capital production. "Capitalism?" More like they symptoms of Keynesian debt insolvency and a massive welfare state. Where are all the productive jobs, offshore?

It was, during the industrial revolution. It was for a while after WWII in America. That is until Nixon killed it by ending the gold standard. Currently Russia is growing their domestic industry (like them or hate them, they are much more fiscally solvent than we are currently). China really took advantage over the last couple decades too, their industry has boomed due to US outsourcing, so has their GDP and they are stocking up on valuable commodities for future monetary policies and trade. America needs to get back in this game soon or we are going to be in a world of hurt!

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 22:47:36 [Preview] No.16201 del
Capitalism is simply this: industry and production, for both supply and demand. The increase of capital. Increasing capital creates more jobs. More jobs, more income, more income, more consumers, more consumers, more profits, more profits, more capital growth!

Now, the problem is with massive insolvent States (governments/militaries) that become corrupt and inhibit this cycle of growth by poisoning society with unpalatable debt burden. Fiscal insolvency. Leaches sucking the blood out of the system with little mercy of the repercussions this has on society and economics. Capital destruction. Wars are a huge problem because they destroy capital and they isolate trade relations. Very nasty stuff. We see this today.

Anonymous 04/10/2018 (Tue) 23:14:19 [Preview] No.16202 del
>Where are all the productive jobs, offshore?
The food you eat, created in countries that do capital production better than you and sill have economic migrants left over to send your way while world population expands uncontrollably? I wonder where this true face of capitalism can be seen, after 19th century. Through China's smoggy skies? That's what America does wrong? Not inventing enough plastic food and smog? Not inventing enough Syrian refugees to do labor? How the fuck does more shit automatically create investment?

You can move to China to eat their plastic eggs and watermelons and enjoy aggressive capital production in a labor camp worth 19th century coal mine. At least your body is poisoned faster than your money.

Anonymous 04/11/2018 (Wed) 00:50:52 [Preview] No.16203 del
You have a rather warped view about the economic mechanisms behind capitalism, but in a way you pointed out some logical concerns, such as toxic junk foods sold to the masses. In capitalism the consumers have a choice. If they choose to support eating junk food, then there will unfortunately be a lot of junk food. However, if the consumers decide they like healthy food, there will be a lot more healthy foods available. That goes with supply and demand. Capitalists supply the consumers based on what they demand. If they do not cater to the average consumer, then they risk losing profits and face bankruptcy. Simple as that.

The concerns you address are logical, but what you are worried about is mindless consumerism. Mindless consumerism is a problem. And some capitalists (not all, mind you) endorse and promote mindless consumerism because they can exploit idiots to shill more junk (think of con-artists and snake oil peddlers). This can be a problem, but its not enough of a threat to disregard an economic system that has been proven to actually work (note: most economic systems invented by philosophers such as Keynes, Ricardo and Marx have never really worked before, in fact they create utter misery for the masses).

To put it bluntly, Austrian economics is capitalism. Most other forms promoted by major universities and political communities are fraudulent and work no better than socialism. Austrian economics works. It empowers people. It created the middle class. It created productive industries and trade, consumer choice; the freedom to do what you want with your money that you earn. Not many countries practice Austrian economics (capitalism) today because simply governments like to have control - governments do not want people having control, they want to control the economy and the markets and re-distribute wealth as they see fit at our expense. Austrian economics defies that, and vice versa.

As far as migrants? That is not an economic policy it is national security issue and this just gives us a perfect example why governments are not to be trusted and must be held accountable. Not only do governments sponge off society, they tend to make horrible decisions. Matter of fact when governments become too big and fiscally insolvent we start to see horrible economic policies throughout the country. I do believe there is a big indication before all currency collapses and that is witnessing massive draconian bureaucracy and endless debt creation (which we see today).

Anonymous 04/11/2018 (Wed) 03:46:22 [Preview] No.16209 del
It was just now summarized as the natural progression from any capital production, there's no room to warp it. No mechanism, no bents, just the dogma I was just fed as a supposed natural law to be taken at face value. "Increase capital, increase jobs".

All those progressions of society were just repainted as capitalist after you write off all the horrible shit they ruin the world with on the side. That's just give and take that applies no matter how you rationalize it, investment has costs. None of it is pertinent except how overall population growth and failure of sustainability goes hand in hand with your messianic capital production, which a righteous person might use to make mindful choices if they already are the type of person to go to work when welfare is an option. An entirely moot point you're dumb enough to make without blushing. But you add that to warp your own argument and project doing so onto me.

Shilling and war are capitalist endeavors, that work because they were taken from the raw material of human character and invested so they became capital. Now people have the option to support those indutries, and in the short term of tribal narcissism it's in their benefit to do so. It's even best to cash in as much as you can and self-destruct when the goods run out, it's has never facilitated progress except when combined with and undercurrent or overcurrent of socialism. You're just using a lie to start the cashing in now while you're comfortable. All you have is an equation that checks out.

Anonymous 04/11/2018 (Wed) 03:52:17 [Preview] No.16212 del
>before all currency collapses
the common barter is shared intellectual property of all you lying socialists as well as the honest ones, and so is border police, on lona to the government

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 16:28:05 [Preview] No.16238 del
What we have today is Keynesian economics which is fraudulent and depends on debt insolvency (particularly governmental debt).

Austrian economics is capitalism but we do not have that today. We have not had that after 1971 when we were removed from the gold standard (under the long-defunct 1944 Bretton Woods Agreement). Remember the Industrial Revolution? We had Austrian economics back then! Remember the booming '50s and '60s eras? We had Austrian economics back then too!

In Austrian economics currency is backed by intrinsic value (be it silver or gold). A real but limited money supply. Governments generally abhor real and honest money because it demands limits to their size and power. True and honest money does not allow for massive deficits or the long term accumulation of debt. What we see today is massive deficits and long term accumulation of debt using fiat currency (backed by nothing) which in every single way DEFIES Austrian economics!

The great depression was created by the Federal Reserve system via gold confiscation. The great recession that started in 2008 - which continues today - was created by the Federal Reserve system with mortgage fraud, endless bank bailouts and suppression of the gold market (by flooding the market with fraudulent paper-gold ETFs). It just so happens that the Federal Reserve is filled to the brim with .... drum roll please .... Keynesian economists! These Keynesian economists benefit from mass deficits, debt insolvency, wars and theft! They love the insolvent State because the insolvent State is lucrative to them and them only. It is NOT lucrative to capitalists! It is NOT lucrative for the workers! It is NOT lucrative for productive industries nor to manufacturing! It is NOT lucrative for entrepreneurs! It is NOT lucrative to those who produce domestic capital, who invest in the fundamental economy!

Keynesian economics - despite all the propaganda put out by the Marxist-run universities / the State / the media / big bankers / "post-industrial" bullshit blow-hards - IS NOT CAPITALISM!

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 16:40:17 [Preview] No.16239 del
As a capitalist who encourages Austrian economics I can say without doubt there is nothing wrong with bartering. Bartering is just a form of honest trade between individuals. Nothing "socialist" about that. Nothing wrong with using gold (or silver) backed currency either. The State will disagree with that of-course and big bankers have a problem with that too. However industrialists do not have a problem with bartering or gold/silver standard. Nor should consumers or workers because this mitigates the threats of inflation, cronyism and fraud which we see so rampant today.

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 19:07:03 [Preview] No.16240 del
And didn't even notice any problem problem with "common", because you're a cryptomarxist who loves authorities when you're not thinking about them.

You're defending the lack of situational barter without batting an eye, because you love the socialist control provided by money. That's 100% socialist. And your "capitalist" ideology that dogmatizes gold as the common barter that cannot change in value is what cryptomarxism uses to destroy situational barter once and for all so that all but keynesianism is impossible. You're being a tool and just won't take a "please stop" from anybody because your dogma is comfortable.

>As a capitalist who encourages Austrian economics
You encourage fuck all. Maybe like Clint Eastwood encourages a crook to pick up the gun so he can plead self-defense like a pussy.

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 19:25:31 [Preview] No.16241 del
>True and honest money
The one true government authority of whoever has it first, and when all the real economy grows it has to cuck to whoever got it first because the magic doctrine of capitalism demands it. Fuck off. They will trade flying bullets for your utopia, because they capitalized on the amount of bullets they have to share. It's cost-effective. I heard that capital production is the real capitalism, now you're saying it's magic gold that every producer blindly bows to, make up your mind already.

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 20:52:58 [Preview] No.16242 del
>you're a cryptomarxist

Nope, not even close.

>your "capitalist" ideology that dogmatizes gold as the common barter that cannot change in value is what cryptomarxism uses to destroy situational barter once and for all so that all but keynesianism is impossible.

Gold can change value, but cannot be completely devalued. Thus, any currency backed by gold cannot be completely devalued. 100% opposite of Keynesian economics my friend, which is FIAT (backed-by-nothing) currency! Keynesian economics id fraud. Gold, which always has and will hold value throughout human history, is NOT fiat!

In fact, many countries throughout history have bartered with GOLD! And silver too. So how you can say something with an infinite X-worth of intrinsic value can somehow render bartering obsolete does not make any sense. That is something I'd expect a Marxist to say.

>I heard that capital production is the real capitalism, now you're saying it's magic gold that every producer blindly bows to, make up your mind already.

So you do not know what I mean by capital? Capital can refer to mined precious metals / minerals, grain, fossil fuels, crops, meat, manufactured products, computers, gadgets, radios, weapons, munitions, medicines (natural or lab or whatever)... pretty much anything you use or could purchase. Thats capital.

However do not be mistake production for consumption! Many do. Capitalism requires production as much as it requires consumption. If your nation has very little domestic production, then you most likely live in a socialist nation of Keynesian kings and welfare leaches. If you have mass production, you have capitalism. Note that all the biggest manufacturing nations today (such as China) also hold massive amounts of gold in reserves (where countries like ours sell our gold over the COMEX markets like a bunch of stupid idiots).

>magic gold that every producer blindly bows to

Because every producer knows what REAL wealth is! And it ain't fiat paper that faces hyperinflation! Thats why!

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 21:11:33 [Preview] No.16243 del
If you are confused about the gold / silver ratio (of value), I want to challenge your thinking for a second because this could benefit you someday (depending how you act on it)...

Here is a long list of fiat currencies throughout human history that have devalued to 0 (worthless paper):


Name one time in human history gold or silver were worth nothing. If you look up the history all you will find is X, Y or Z value... but it always held value. Never was it worth 0. It always held value even in Biblical times.

This is where the principle of Austrian economics comes in. That is currency backed by precious metal. And even if you rather barter, you can still use precious metals to trade for other goods. Austrian economics is very liberty oriented and supports consumer choice and free open markets.

Anonymous 04/12/2018 (Thu) 23:15:01 [Preview] No.16252 del
>Name one time in human history gold or silver were worth nothing.
Every single time there was a multiple charge of theft and murder. The value was in fact negative for the extra costs of protection, but with your delieberate cooking of the books you can of course exchange lives for money and then just erase the record for lives, as if by erasing a minus symbol, and collect the leftover.
I told you, the math checks out. You trade in murder, and more murder is more jobs. Capitalism. When communism that forces people to labor runs out of needs to fulfill, they start being superefficient in capitalism by the standards being held to capitalism in this thread, but only then. Capitalism is thus formed up to be accelerationism into that state being the constant, just shifted over in location of the people who get to enjoy the rear end of it.

> fiat currencies throughout human history that have devalued to 0
And thus secured an open market for capitalist trade of any intrinsic value. You however posit that this freedom ruins your capitalism on some vague moral grounds, which I find to be "because it creates a body count for capitalism and my ideology".

Backpedaling, and still no address of points raised, but instead drawn out reiteration of very simple basics. It's clear you're stuck on loop.

Anonymous 04/13/2018 (Fri) 13:37:11 [Preview] No.16255 del
I might as well post here what I posted elsewhere to someone else recently. But first to address the murder, lets address that first. Who ends up murdering who? I would speculate its the State that does most the murdering, as the State has always been the biggest murderers of all time. Just research democide.

So would it not be logical to reduce the State? Make limitations on the State? Most importantly fiscal limitations on the State? I think this would curb such mass murderers. So now I'll respond by a simple fresh copypasta I concluded to someone else regarding America's demise:

"America is collapsing because of our fiscal insolvency (our inability to control our finances and manage our unsustainable debts) - not blaming all Americans, mostly our government, military, politicians and brickheaded leaders. The decline has been welcomed with open arms after the removal of the gold standard (1971). Many economists have warned of the consequences over the years, all of them labeled "tin foil goldbugs" and dismissed from Zionist mainstream media and the State-run 'educational' racket known as college. Since the removal of the gold standard and adaptation to Keynesian economics our currency has been massively devalued. Too bad!

As these "goldbugs" still point out today we need to audit our gold and silver reserves in America, take a count on inventory and decide whether we want to back the USD to gold or silver (whichever would lessen short-term pain). Or we could break up the USD and start a new silver or cold currency with what we have in our reserves. Short-term pain would be dealt and the US government would have its budgets significantly cut (which is not necessarily a bad thing considering all the waste, abuse and incompetence that goes with fattening up that greedy pig). What would also hurt (short term) is all the welfare leaches in society. They'd be forced to provide services or get a job. The productive workers would also take a fiscal hit but in the long-term they will survive and actually live a whole lot better lifestyle when things get back to normal.

Meanwhile, changes would have to be made. America would be forced to re-industrialize. We need a new trained workforce which would require skills being thought. I think trade schools replacing these corrupt colleges would be perfect! Colleges could exist but we need to reduce them for professional degrees only (for the scientists, doctors, lawyers, programmers, engineers, et al.) The rest of the youth can go to trade schools, we could roll out a much more productive workforce so manufacturing can come back, as well as mining, welding, farming, ranching, construction, growing the energy sector (shale, oil, coal, nuclear, hydraulic) as well as adapting to alternative forms of energy (thorium, solar, wind, or whatever else that may include), and from there independent businesses and services will blossom like they did during the Americana era.

As long as we have a gold or silver standard, and put constitutional limitations on how much the government/military can grow or spend annually, bureaucrats will be on a tight leash. Society can thrive and people can work for a living and live a pretty decent lifestyle because their currency will be strong and their fiscal policies SOLVENT for a change!"

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