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Amazon destroyed Seattle Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 05:17:04 [Preview] No. 11095
I like this editorial about how Amazon has destroyed the culture of Seatle. It's a good warning: large companies destroy the culture of interesting cities and make everything generic, corporate, and dull. I wouldn't want Google's HQ in my city either.


Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 05:39:49 [Preview] No. 11098 del
This is not /tech/ology.
It's sociology and economics. Maybe /pol/ will be a better fit for this post.


Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 05:51:01 [Preview] No. 11099 del
>>11098
Next time maybe I'll consider it, but I would rather have a serious discussion with programmers about the effects of corporations on local cultute, without the stupid, "it's the kikes" memery.


Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 07:17:02 [Preview] No. 11101 del
>>11099
But it's a different subject. Maybe some other board like /news/ or /b/ could be better.
Programmers and /tech/ oriented people generally are not interested in sociology or politics. Some programmers are interested in economics, though.
What point about it you want to discuss?
If you want a discussion you should point your thesis first.
Is it "how capitalism destroy society"? How "technology destroys society"?

The "will to power". People did it, not capitalism, technology or what some other primitivist-communist view would point out.
I haven't read all the articles you've posted, but I think that what Amazon did is free market. They buy a place > Construct something > Sell their product/service. Nothing wrong.
I don't know your political position, but it's much probable that someone that rejects the /pol/ retarded thinking is a libertarian. If you're going to reject this idea of free market, you violate the basic principles of libertarianism, NAP (non-aggression principle) and social contracts.


Anonymous 09/16/2017 (Sat) 11:10:53 [Preview] No. 11129 del
>>11101
Amazon and other huge megacorporations like Walmart basically push the mom & pop shops out of business everywhere they go. So no, their model is not libertarian, because that model implies that everyone can run their own business without the huge barriers that these megacorps work hard to impose via lobbying and other stuff like massive patent collections. Maybe in the 1800's you could make a case that it was possible to have a libertarian society in the USA, but now the odds are entirely in favor with those who have consolidated the majority of money & power.
Anyway, you can see the results of all this clearly. In the past century, all local cultures have been completely eradicated. The USA is now just a big collection of identical strip malls. Basically the depiction in Snow Crash isn't far off the mark.
In the tech world, the parallel situation is domination of Intel/Microsoft and other giants. Whereas in the 70's and 80's (the computer 1800's, aka wild west so to speak) there was a much larger variety of hacker/hobbyist cultures and interesting possibilities. And more to the point: there was a whole lot of competition! Which meant that if you didn't like the way Apple of IBM ran things, you could just buy computers from Commodore, Atari, Tandy, or others instead. This has all been lost and replaced with dumbed-down consumer appliances that the operator doesn't trully have control over (DRM, Intel ME, and such).
Regarding the computer situation, I think the only solution at this point is to ditch the modern web entirely, since that's the main hurdle preventing use of simpler and/or different computers and OS. And fwiw, I don't consider Linux/Unix to be different enough to be interesting, even though I run OpenBSD (because it's like the least-worst practical choice I have atm). Quite frankly, given the choice I'd gladly go back to 1991 and use a 1-meg Amiga 500...


Anonymous 09/16/2017 (Sat) 11:55:28 [Preview] No. 11130 del
>>11129
>their model is not libertarian, because that model implies that everyone can run their own business without the huge barriers that these megacorps work hard to impose via lobbying and other stuff like massive patent collections
This is one of the basic Marxist critics of capitalism. Libertarianism has it's problems. This is one of them.
>I think the only solution at this point is to ditch the modern web entirely
Will not happen.
>I don't consider Linux/Unix to be different enough to be interesting
So, your motivation is to be "different"?
eh.
>I'd gladly go back to 1991 and use a 1-meg Amiga 500...
Very reductionist of you. You're only thinking about your user-case. You're not thinking about all the changes we as a society suffered these last 25 years through internet.
There's a division between being realist and an idealist. I too think that, in an idealist world, everyone would live in peace and we would have a truly anonymous p2p meshnet through a DASH7 like wireless, running on systems with fully EAL 7+ proofs in HOL, where all money would be derived from a dashcoin block-chain inside this network. A world where we could communicate in an non-ambiguous language (Ithkuil) and all this fancy stuff. But we live in a reality where this is absolutely impossible. So, instead of creating a mythology where you can isolate yourself, try to look into what the situation really is.
This postmodernist way of think, that nothing is true or false, that reality doesn't exist, is killing the contemporary world, fucks sake.


Anonymous 09/16/2017 (Sat) 19:59:34 [Preview] No. 11135 del
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>>11129
lrn2format

>Maybe in the 1800's you could make a case that it was possible to have a libertarian society in the USA, but now the odds are entirely in favor with those who have consolidated the majority of money & power.
This is a laughable, ahistorical, revisionist view of 19th century America that is common among modern libertarians. Monopolies were a feature of late 19th/early 20th century American capitalism until the big trust-busting efforts, and if you think lobbying and misuse of patents is bad now, you have no idea how bare-knuckle business was back then.

>Anyway, you can see the results of all this clearly. In the past century, all local cultures have been completely eradicated. The USA is now just a big collection of identical strip malls. Basically the depiction in Snow Crash isn't far off the mark.
You're mischaracterizing (and totally missed the point of) Snow Crash if you think our present society "isn't far off the mark" from what Stephenson depicts.


Anonymous 09/17/2017 (Sun) 23:53:42 [Preview] No. 11163 del
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I wish we had a lot more socialists on the chans to engage with instead of a majority of libertarians, Nazis, Fundie Republicans, and other edgelords.

I think class tensions are the single best explanation for most of the ills of today. Corporations are the sucessors of the monarchy and aristocrats. They are the richest and most corrupting group of individuals that have the lowest empayhty, are the biggest enemy of creative loners, in Seatle or on the internet.

Here's my rant: if not for corporations protecting copyright, there would be countless people programming their own video games and building the next Katawa Shoujo with open source projects. Escapism would be nearly free, entertainment cheap, and everyone would have more independence and time to do as they want. Most of the gains in productivity have helped the upper classes, and programmers spend most of their time enslaved to others and working overtime, and have very little time when they come home to work on their passion projects.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 01:17:35 [Preview] No. 11164 del
>>11163
There aren't any socialists on chans because they aren't used by retarded 12 year olds anymore. If they want to end class inequality they know the most retarded thing you can do is give all the power to a single group. If they see it at as an inevitability then they prefer the system that eases the pain of it.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 04:04:33 [Preview] No. 11165 del
>>11163
Cool picture.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "socialists" but there are still pockets of non-right, non-libertarian people on various imageboards. Just not much on 8chan or probably endchan.

That's not really surprising, since the major exodus from 4chan was inspired by GG. After the exodus(es), the interesting thing to watch on 8chan was anon doing what anon does, i.e. supporting Donald Trump for the lulz, because he is so ridiculous and so utterly unqualified, but then getting drowned out by 85 IQ retards who saw 8chan in the news, didn't get the joke, and thought it was really a hotbed of alt-right Trump worship. Of course, it actually is now, because the retards who like Trump unironically decided to stick around. Plenty of those short bus riders on end/pol/, too.

Of course, those non-right, non-libertarian people who do remain on 8chan and other diaspora boards are probably quieter than they used to be, because they've had enough of any post that doesn't suckle on Trump's balls being responded to with nothing but tired memes.

That's how you can tell that the Trumpcucks aren't really anon, btw. They haven't really been able to come up with any new memes. They've been recycling the same ones for 18-24 months now.

>>11164
>t. retarded 13 year old

sage for offtopic


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 10:23:16 [Preview] No. 11166 del
>>11163
>if not for corporations protecting copyright, there would be countless [goodness]
Do you believe in unicorns too? How pathetically idealist you are.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 11:42:23 [Preview] No. 11167 del
>>11130
Of course I only consider my use-case. I don't pretend to understand anyone else's needs or have interest that align with theirs. The fact that the average person is addicted to 3D full motion VR live-actor hentai MMO video games, or whtaver it is they make these days, is of no consequence to me. I don't want 'em, and so am free to walk away from all that. Or rather, I'm free to keep avoiding it entirely, along with the hardware and OS/software they require. This also goes for most of the modern web. The only thing that keeps me from permanently deleting Firefox is that I need it to login to my bank accounts (some of them located on other continent, so can't just take the bus...)
Anyway modern hardware is also totally fucked, rotten botnet to the core. There's no way to redeem it anymore than the web. You have to be able to walk away from things, or else you become a prisoner. If there's any hope for computers, it's in the hobbyist scene with homebrew projects like RC2014, FPGA, microcontrollers, and such.
As for why I don't like Unix much, well it's the same reason Terry Davis says "Fuck ring 3, man!" I grew up on 8-bit hardware where it was easy to program stuff, and all the mainframe OS layers just end up making my life more difficult. That shit belongs on a server, not my personal machine.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 11:52:58 [Preview] No. 11168 del
>>11167
You're totally unstable.
>I don't pretend to understand anyone else's needs or have interest that align with theirs.
And I don't want you to. But, there's a difference between what you want and what other people need. You can't force other people to fit on what you want.
>As for why I don't like Unix much...
I haven't asked you this. You're trying to get the subject, ignore all the criticism we have made here, and then fit this subject inside your worldview.
As with >>11163 , pathetic.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 12:01:08 [Preview] No. 11169 del
>>11168
I shouldn't care what others want, unless they pay me for it. That's the way the real world works. It sounds like you're some kind of idealist who's had a really sheltered life...


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 12:05:18 [Preview] No. 11170 del
>>11169

> I shouldn't care what others want, unless they pay me for it

Then just kill your mom, who cares what she wants so be she doesn't pay you. You're a psycho.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 12:10:21 [Preview] No. 11171 del
>>11170
Why are you angry? I'm just pointing out how most people operate. I guarantee you nobody out there gives a shit what my likes and needs are, unless I pay them to, or unless they're family or close friends.
And speaking of unstable, you're the one saying to kill people, LOL.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 12:37:12 [Preview] No. 11172 del
>>11170
He's a troll or really ignorant. Ignore him.


Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 23:48:42 [Preview] No. 11197 del
>>11171
Contrary to what Ayn Rand's cult believes, econonomics and world society cannot be reduced to transactions for selfish gain. Altruism is just as much a part of society and is a drive that runs against our own interests. Charities can survive because of that.


Anonymous 09/19/2017 (Tue) 01:11:07 [Preview] No. 11198 del
>>11197
Sure it can. I donate to charities because it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling and justifies my desire to murder homeless people.


Anonymous 09/22/2017 (Fri) 22:46:24 [Preview] No. 11268 del
>>11165
One thing that frustrates me about the trump train is that in the beginning, when he first announced he was running, there was a small minority of people who actually supported him without being part of the massive deluge of users that came near and after the election. Whether or not I agreed with them, it was actually cool to see that minority argue their case against the rest of the board. Now ask anyone who supports trump, and you'll be wading through memery and retarded arguments for months before you get to one of those original supporters; those who were for trump not for his flamboyant personality or just to be against "the system"


Anonymous 09/22/2017 (Fri) 22:49:24 [Preview] No. 11270 del
>>11197
The irony is that the very logic they embrace is the exact same that Marx used to justify his "community" ethics.


Anonymous 09/24/2017 (Sun) 22:01:18 [Preview] No. 11288 del
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>>11268
8 years before he was elected I met a Trump supporter who has read "The Art of the Deal" (ghost-written; not by Trump though that only came out recentlty) and the kid said in class he wished Trump would be elected as President to fix the country. The professor laughed heartily and said Trump has gone bankrupt and screwed investors leaving them with nothing 3 times. Said professor believed the value of a leader was soley in what he could bring to the shareholders (I believe the stake holders need to be considered too which makes me kind of socialist.)

I wish more people like my professor had spoken out against these people before the Trump hype train started, but I don't think they would have listened anyway. That student was kind of a dick too.


Anonymous 09/24/2017 (Sun) 22:40:06 [Preview] No. 11289 del
This is politics, not technology.
Everyone contributing to this thread, please GTFO.


Anonymous 09/26/2017 (Tue) 09:49:20 [Preview] No. 11317 del
>>11289
Everything is tied to technology.
If you chose to ignore politics, then you're either condemned to not understand shit ever, or maybe is that because you already know most of the schemes, and so you chose to elevate yourself upon it.
I think that's the first choice, since the second ask for a hell of a lot of studying and book reading. And luck, whatever you call god's providence.


Anonymous 09/26/2017 (Tue) 09:51:17 [Preview] No. 11318 del
>>11317

Tied to politics*


Anonymous 09/26/2017 (Tue) 15:56:35 [Preview] No. 11323 del
>>11317
See the definition of the greek "techne".
Politics is not technology, although it influences it.
This this holistic vision about "everything is intertwined" is not practical in an imageboard.


Anonymous 09/27/2017 (Wed) 19:57:13 [Preview] No. 11375 del
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>>11323
There is no impact of politics in a /diy/ board for exemple based on technology.
But when you're talking about companies, that have or had money from in-q-tel, and are today profiting from industrial spying, that are inserting backdoor according to a political decision of spying on everyone, not even talking about today's ultra materialist philosophy that direct everything, you know, it's pretty hard to not talk about politics/ideology. Even the FSF is promoting an ideology in itself.
But I agree that communist/trump faggots are very annoying. That's the worst of politics/ideologies.


Anonymous 09/27/2017 (Wed) 20:39:47 [Preview] No. 11382 del
>>11375
>Even the FSF is promoting an ideology in itself.
Most of us here probably don't agree with FSF philosophy.

>ultra materialist
You keep talking about this, but I don't think you understand the point of "mind-body problem", do you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism



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