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GNU OS Anonymous 09/14/2017 (Thu) 15:13:36 [Preview] No. 11081
Anyone else excited about the coming full realisation of the GNU OS? Soon GuixSD will ship with Hurd and the original GNU vision will be a usable system.

After that all they need is all the software using GNU licenses and RMS can die fulfilled. If they then rewrite everything in scheme RMS will become a saint in heaven.

Anonymous 09/14/2017 (Thu) 15:44:44 [Preview] No. 11082 del
Whoa this is a thing?

Anonymous 09/14/2017 (Thu) 19:05:39 [Preview] No. 11083 del
Yeah, guixsd was designed with the "shepherd" init system which was originally designed to handle Hurd. They are at bootstrap now with Hurd and no longer dependent on Debian/Hurd.
I think it could be as early as next year. Reading through the mailing lists and commit logs, they have gotten a lot done.

Anonymous 09/14/2017 (Thu) 20:53:03 [Preview] No. 11084 del
>Whoa this is a thing?
A bloated, buggy, insecure thing that took almost 40 years to bring early-1980s OS design principles to alpha status, yeah.

It's a bit like watching the most severely disabled sub-moron who can still put one foot in front of the other cross the finish line at the Special Olympics. A part of you wants to be happy for them, but most of you is wondering "Why didn't the Lord smite that thing?"

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 07:54:04 [Preview] No. 11104 del
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Has gimp and presumably icecat installed by default? I'm sold, provided I can install easily. It says you can get it already but the OP makes it seem like it's not exactly ready to go?

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 08:37:40 [Preview] No. 11107 del
nvm, there's c++

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 08:37:48 [Preview] No. 11108 del
Firefox has been ported. Dunno about GIMP.

>As of March 2014, 79% of all Debian packages are available for Debian GNU/Hurd. Of course, testing and bug fixing is welcome, as we have obviously not tested all of them.

>Generally, packages that aren't Linux-specific (see Packages That Won't Be Ported) are expected to work on GNU/Hurd too. Notably, X.Org, GNOME, KDE, Firefox work. See the guidelines document for some common build problems and their solutions.


If it's available for Debian Hurd, it'll likely be available for the GuixSD version.

>you have little girl pics saved and use the to dogwhistle to other pedos (as if people familiar to chans aren't already aware of this shit you shitsipping fucking scum). You pedos infect everywhere, the fact you keep posting little girls only proves your disease.
I'm guessing an uncle or a priest bummed you when you were a tyke. That must be why you insist on sexualizing innocent pictures.

Get help.

>Again -- give you location and maybe we can meet up in person and I'll cave in your fucking skull like you deserve?
I'm enjoying your Internet Tough Guy routine. Please keep it up, it's currently the funniest thing on endchan.

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 08:48:59 [Preview] No. 11109 del
GuixSD currently uses a stripped verion of Linux as the basic kernel to get a working system, it won't be finished until it runs Hurd.

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 08:53:01 [Preview] No. 11110 del
W H Y ?




Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 09:00:48 [Preview] No. 11111 del
FSF had to do something eventually. The OS has been in the planning or experimental phase for decades now. With new libs and compilers threatening the stake FSF has in modern operating systems it was time to shit or get off the pot.

Considering in design the OS is far superior to anything currently available it will be interesting whether it works well.

111111? RMS forever.

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 09:12:58 [Preview] No. 11112 del
>Considering in design the OS is far superior to anything currently available it will be interesting whether it works well.
If we don't know whether it works well, it seems premature to call the design "far superior to anything currently available."

As for "why", Stallman is concerned about his legacy. GCC is being supplanted by Clang/LLVM, the Linux kernel remained on GPLv2 instead of GPLv3, and dozens of GNU projects have folded after superior alternatives became more popular and attracted more developer and user mindshare.

As much as Stallman is a raging autist, he cares deeply about his legacy and suffers from colossal butthurt that the GNU project was eclipsed by Linux and other free software projects in just a handful of years. This is obvious from the ridiculous, facile, and outright bogus arguments he makes for calling Linux distributions "GNU/Linux" or "GNU + Linux". He's a maladjusted, autistic Jew manchild who is desperate to have one last "win" before he succumbs to diabetes-related complications.

That's "why".

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 09:53:35 [Preview] No. 11114 del
Given the actions of RMS have altogether been altruistic I doubt he is concerned about his legacy more than the fact the new projects are not GPL and the uncertain future of the FSF.

Also, you refer to him as a Jew, yet his last name is German not Jewish and he is an outspoken atheist.

>If we don't know whether it works well, it seems premature to call the design "far superior to anything currently available."
While I can't say anything else you said is inaccurate, this is a clear misunderstanding. The problem with a microkernel design is the way it handles complexity. Although it should offer far greater performance than a monolithic kernel the complexity comes down to messaging, following bugs back through messaging and then testing services under load to see if performance is affected by any fix. So by design it is superior but the testing is so long winded and complicated it may not work well. It will be interesting to see whether several decades of work is enough to get this design working.

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 10:36:06 [Preview] No. 11115 del
>Given the actions of RMS have altogether been altruistic
The entire impetus behind GNU and the FSF was that Stallman couldn't access the source code to a printer driver back in the 1970s. You and I and everyone else in the world could burn to a crisp in a fucking inferno for all he cares as long as he has access to the code he wants. That was his motivation in starting the free software movement.

That, and his legacy, are his sole motivations. There's nothing altruistic about the man. He has the self-centeredness common among the autistic. You're not a real person to him. Deal with it.

>Also, you refer to him as a Jew, yet his last name is German not Jewish and he is an outspoken atheist.
I don't give a shit if his last name is Hitler. He has acknowledged that he is Jewish. Look it up. Whether he is an atheist in belief is irrelevant. Blood will out.

>So by design it is superior
The design is only superior if it performs in real-world conditions. What you mean is "in theory it is superior", not "by design it is superior." The theory will be tested. We'll see. Given that the HURD has been in development for 34 years, it had better be fucking phenomenal.

Protip: It won't be.

You're an apologist for a kike commie solipsist who would discard you on a whim at any moment if it were to his advantage.

Reevaluate your fucking life, friend.

Anonymous 09/15/2017 (Fri) 11:52:04 [Preview] No. 11117 del
I can't find this affirmation. Care to link it?
He seems to be an absolute idealist, not solipsist. There's difference.

Anyway, I'm >>11110 and generally agree with your comments (except that I'm not antisemit).
I agree with the argument that microkernel is a better approach, but Hurd design seems to be based on the CS of 90's and since them we had changed quite a bit. Minix, for example, evolved with these new ideas and is working pretty well.
People should stop working on useless shit and concentrate in doing a POSIX layer to seL4 :^)

Anonymous 09/17/2017 (Sun) 19:51:58 [Preview] No. 11160 del
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GNU is a complete meme. Some software is meant to be proprietary. Without it, we loose our jobs.

Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 13:08:10 [Preview] No. 11174 del
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It's a problem of economical model, and government that push for free market, but without doing its job to eliminate monopolies.
You should actually get back in time, and understand that everything was sold with the "source code". You washer was sold with the manual describing everything about it, every pieces used with reference to allow you to repare you machine.
Today, everything is made breakable, and the most complicated to not allow you to do any repair, any modification.
Even though software is a special case, because you NEED the source code if you want any security, but you don't want to easely give out your source code to every one, it pretty much followed the same path. Basically, anything closed source is backdoored from my point of view. I'm not even talking about the official stuff, like microsoft who gently tell you that it tapes everything. Or apple that trace everyone's move.

A mechanical system can't be close source, because you still can "easely" reverse engineer the process by simply opening your car, if you know what you're doing.

So no, it's not that black and white. If you have a bullshit job, it's the problem of an economical model based only on an all mighty market, and not a market serving the actual people.
Free market without regulation create this kind of none sense, because the goal of any companies if not to serve any general interest, but egoist profit.

You're not the only one who have a partly immoral job, it's pretty much general. So please, don't say that we need close source because you need a job. That's in no where a justification. A lot of industries had to close their door, letting the workers without any job because of technological progress.

Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 16:25:51 [Preview] No. 11183 del
Hahaha, I see our atheism debate was deleted.

Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 16:40:42 [Preview] No. 11184 del
There was no atheism debate. There was an altruism discussion (calling it a debate is too generous and doesn't accurately reflect your inability to construct logical (or even coherent) statements) which you repeatedly tried (and failed) to turn into a discussion about atheism.

Anonymous 09/18/2017 (Mon) 21:02:24 [Preview] No. 11192 del
It was moving very far outside the scope of /tech/.
I did archive.is it before deleting it.

Anonymous 09/28/2017 (Thu) 20:08:52 [Preview] No. 11408 del
I prefer to wait for Source Mage ported to the Hurd. There was some attempts in the past

A source based distribution with the power of SMGL on the Hurd would be endgame.

Anonymous 10/02/2017 (Mon) 00:05:58 [Preview] No. 11447 del
hackers you'll be Free EE e E

Anonymous 10/22/2017 (Sun) 00:10:43 [Preview] No. 11589 del
I am personally wondering about drivers. HURD's core isn't finished yet and what about all other kernel stuff? They will just port it from linux?

Anonymous 10/22/2017 (Sun) 03:31:02 [Preview] No. 11592 del
>I am personally wondering about drivers.
As opposed to impersonally wondering about them?

Great job bumping an old thread with inane questions, btw. You're real /g/ material.

Anonymous 10/22/2017 (Sun) 09:14:42 [Preview] No. 11593 del
Drivers aren't in the kernel so it's moot. However you can use linux drivers with hurd.

Anonymous 10/22/2017 (Sun) 11:01:07 [Preview] No. 11594 del
>inane questions
yeah i see you guys just solved the mystery of hurd with your superior questions

>Great job bumping an old thread
every thread here is ancient
>You're real /g/ material.
Great anon, thanks

yeah, i am so used to linux i mix that stuff

Anonymous 11/20/2017 (Mon) 22:47:48 [Preview] No.11776 del
Make USE flags a thing on GuixSD NOW!

Anonymous 11/24/2017 (Fri) 21:03:04 [Preview] No.11797 del
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>You and I and everyone else in the world could burn to a crisp in a fucking inferno for all he cares as long as he has access to the code he wants.
>There's nothing altruistic about the man. He has the self-centeredness common among the autistic. You're not a real person to him. Deal with it.

Ah fuck this is too close to home. Does this mean I'm an autist?

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GNU+HURD Won't Win Anonymous 04/13/2018 (Fri) 07:48:26 [Preview] No.12612 del
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I'm very sceptical that HURD is developed enough to be released by the end of this year. Does GuixSD even have a newbie-friendly installer yet, like the major distributions?

Anyway, let's assume that the world is perfect. HURD is completed by the end of the year. Then what? Now you have Linux and GNU as two distinct entities, distinct operating systems. Now third party developers might have to develop for one additional system; lots of developers don't even port their software to BSD, as far as I've seen. How would they deal with the threat of incompatibility with software originally designed to run with the Linux kernel? Maybe that so many developers use glibc will mean that this is not a big issue at all. I don't know.

Okay, what if it wasn't an issue? What incentive would people have to adopt the GNU operating system, instead of or in addition to Linux? The BSDs already operate according to a centralized development model that is its prime distinction from Linux. GNU would be either be moving toward that model or it could be like Linux and allow for distributions of the GNU operating system built upon HURD. But what would GNU have to offer? Obviously, completely, 100% free software. Ideologically, that's a big win, but this wouldn't translate necessarily to practical benefits for the user. The driver support would be worse, the software repository smaller. The only way it could grow would be to convince would be Linux users, and even would be BSD users, to develop for GNU; but aside from the free software philosophy, which is not exclusive to but only purer in the GNU OS, what would be the draw?

With that question in mind, I just don't see HURD ever taking off even if it finally makes it out of the hangar and unto the airstrip.

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