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Bernd 08/30/2017 (Wed) 21:03:54 [Preview] No. 9849
Let's have an informative thread about each country's electoral geography and how it ties to demography, regionalism and so on.

Brazil's sharp blue state/purple state/red state divide, which only emerged from 2006 onwards, has been talked about a lot; Geocurrents had two excellent articles about it. I won't talk about the basics, as they're already covered well enough. But Martin W. Lewis has missed some things.

First of all, party loyalties at the state level do make a difference. This factor isn't as strong as it used to be in the Old/Oligarchic Republic period (1889-1930), when the entire national political process was centered on state-level loyalties, but is still felt in some states.
Rio Grande do Sul's leftist past mentioned in his article is a legacy of the state's social democratic loyalties. As they leaned towards a different, non Workers Party string of social democracy (see Leonel Brizola, the leftist who famously called Lula a "bearded frog") that has been defeated and cucked by the PT, their support for Lula gradually faded away.
São Paulo is an even better example: the entire state is radically anti-PT and anti-leftist, and has had fought to install its distinct political views on the federal government for over a century, to the point of fighting a civil war in 1932 when it was evicted from a decade-long liberal hegemony.

Another important point is that the hinterland has some distinct electoral factors absent from the densely populated coastal states the northernmost two still count as hinterland; Lewis shrugs off Roraima as an irrelevant case, but it expresses the same factors he covered about Mato Grosso.

What the hinterland states have in common is that their vast swathes of desolate savanna and jungle have experienced continuous waves of settlement and economic development since the last century. Thus, they have three dynamics that impact their voting:
>Highly profitable agricultural frontier areas versus poor traditional communities
>Expanding ethnic Brazilian settlement versus native communities and their reserve areas, with leftist governments backing the natives;
>Land reform, local political machines controlled by the rural upper class, peasant-landowner class conflict, far-left movements that claim to represent the landless invading and damaging property everywhere and so on

I know some of this personally, as I have an uncle who moved a couple decades ago to become a landowner in the hinterland; whenever he visits us, he complains about gun control and ignorant gringos/southeeasterners who know nothing about his situation, but constantly shill for environmentalism, natives, land reform and so on.

These factors explain why many states in the West and North -including 20% white Roraima- have consistently voted for the Right in past elections.


Bernd 08/31/2017 (Thu) 05:34:05 [Preview] No. 9854 del
Very KC-tier.
I'll certainly read all these and look stuff up on Hungary in short: there might be correlation in voting preference and geography, demography, religion and historical development of certain regions of the country (I remember there were certain areas where certain parties traditionally enjoyed wider support) but now and in the past 7 years simply Fidesz has/had no alternative which could take over governing. Socialists disintegrated into three bickering parties, liberals were always too small and Jobbik can't get enough voters as it's too radical for wider audience, or if it's tries to be more soft, then those leave who prefer this party for it's radicalism. All the others are just goddamn small.


Bernd 08/31/2017 (Thu) 08:42:29 [Preview] No. 9856 del
KILL ALL NIGGERS!!!!!!!!


Bernd 08/31/2017 (Thu) 18:08:26 [Preview] No. 9859 del
Did Brasil have centralist-federalist conflict in the 19th and early 20th century like Argentina?


Bernd 08/31/2017 (Thu) 21:59:47 [Preview] No. 9866 del
>>9859
A lot of it. The very fact that Lusophone America is unified is already an absurd and unlikely historical anomaly.

When the Portuguese royal family ran away like a bunch of pussies from the Big Blue Blob's expansion, they immediately worked on establishing a strong central government in Rio de Janeiro. This began a century of political struggle between conservatives loyal to the Crown and liberals fighting for decentralization or even secession (see my hastily drawn map). Thus, even before independence, Pernambuco already tried to split. There was no such thing as a Brazilian nation or identity, each state's elites had not yet been fully bribed into obeying the central government and the common people had more loyalty to their state than towards any central leaders half a continent away. This became clear when Pedro I declared independence and several states chose to remain under Portugal; only a short independence war, limited by both sides' bankruptcy, brought them under Rio de Janeiro's fold.

A few years later, Pernambuco once again tried to secede, this time carrying along several other states under the Equator Confederation (see flag). They were repressed once again, with significant British aid. On an unrelated note, the eternal Anglo had its hand through all of this; as payment for the Royal Navy's protection during their little transatlantic trip, the Portuguese Royal Family gave British products in Brazil a smaller tariff rate than Portuguese products themselves!

Pedro I's unpopularity and his dynastic ambitions back in the Old World led him to abdicate the throne in 1831, leaving behind a five-year old son and a very weak administrative structure covering half a continent. In the power vacuum, liberals and conservatives squabbled for control and the country disintegrated: power was devolved to provincial elites, liberals repeatedly launched armed revolts, several states tried to secede and a military force controlled by local power -the National Guard- was formed, strengthening a tradition of feudal-like paramilitary force that to this day lives on whenever gunmen are hired by landowners.

By this point, the country was on the brink of balkanizing into the same fate of Hispanic America; only Pedro II's premature rise to power normalized the situation. Pedro II successfully integrated the local elites, preventing any further attempts at secession, but the centralism vs federalism debate continued between conservatives and liberals.

By a few decades later, however, Pedro II has lost all of his support in the elites, including the Church and the Army, but -this is where regional politics once again come into play- also three regional elites:
>Ancient sugar-producing elites in the Northeast, now angry with Abolition
>Traditional slave labor-based coffe-exporting elites in the Paraíba Valley (Rio and São Paulo)
>New immigrant labor-based coffe-exporting elites further out in São Paulo, who had republican tendencies ever since their rise

The new republican government was initially headed by Positivist army officers with centralist leanings, but in just a few years power passed to the rural elites who enforced their ideal of a decentralized republic. Until 1930, the political struggle was fought inside each state's Republican Party and between the states, with São Paulo and Minas Gerais holding the most power.


Bernd 08/31/2017 (Thu) 22:01:24 [Preview] No. 9867 del
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>>9866
This newfound decentralization also saw a number of revolts, some of which were reactionary and monarchist in character, the total dominance of landowners in rural politics and even Wild West-style banditry in the Northeast.

Industrialization and urbanization, however, led to the rise of several movements opposed to the republican order and favouring a centralized state; some elections were unusually close, a Communist Party was formed, Modernists destroyed the artistic status quo and military officers campaigned for a new regime with a strong central authority. They launched several failed revolts, one of which involved a number of soldiers trekking through remote hinterland plundering whatever villages in their path and then escaping to Bolivia. Its leader, Luís Carlos Prestes, would later become a central figure within the communist movement.

The Oligarchic Republic's system ultimately collapsed when São Paulo, without Minas Gerais' consent, launched its own candidate, Júlio Prestes in the 1930 elections; while other states contested this, Prestes still won. The other side was Getúlio Vargas from Rio Grande do Sul and João Pessoa from Paraíba as VP. After defeat, Pessoa was murdered for completely apolitical reasons; this compelled the losers to renew the political struggle. Rio Grande do Sul, Minas Gerais and Paraíba rose up in arms and took over the central government, with Vargas taking over everything.

While this dispute began as merely a struggle between regional elites, Vargas sought support among the new political tendencies and thus built a strong, hyper-centralized regime, taking away all regional autonomy. São Paulo, together with the southern portion of Mato Grosso, revolted against him on 1932 and lost.

From that point onwards, federalism has been a lost cause, and although the current Constitution claims that we have it, the reality is that all significant decisions are made in Brasília. Nonetheless, regional disparities are still vast and felt on politics and many other fields.


Bernd 09/01/2017 (Fri) 17:49:34 [Preview] No. 9872 del
>>9866
>There was no such thing as a Brazilian nation or identity
How national identities were born in South America anyway? I mean what's your take on this?

>eternal Anglo
Yeah, Argentina had some experience with them too.
Around the first quarter of the 19th century some British bank gave large loans to them. Argentinians thought: free moneyz! Then they got their first bankruptcy followed by certain trade and friendship agreements with the Brits which was very favorable. For the Brits. Pure coincidence.


Bernd 09/01/2017 (Fri) 18:11:24 [Preview] No. 9873 del
>>9872
>How national identities were born in South America anyway? I mean what's your take on this?
Regional differences were as wide in Lusophone America as they were in Hispanic America; I'd say unity was achieved through the following factors:

>The Crown offered a common loyalty that was absent in Hispanic America
>Elites were succesfully pleased by Pedro II's competent political maneuvering; the government was elitist, Conservatives and Liberals regularly switched places on government and a constant flow of bureaucrats and politicians between Rio and the state capitals diminished the risk of seccession
>Internal migration and time itself slowly consolidated the idea of a unified Brazilian state among the common people

But nation-building still took longer than securing the state's existence. The notion of a shared Brazilian culture didn't exist, because there hardly was any such culture, just regional peasant cultures and the elite's common mindset, which was extremely eurocentric (remember that for much of the 19th century, the entire literate upper class studied in Coimbra). Only from 1922 onwards did the Modernist movement question the situation and seek our "roots". What they got was an ersatz identity that rejected eurocentrism while ironically trying to be "exotic" on European terms. This "tropical" identity, fake as it is, strengthened the common bonds that had been built over a century.

I think there's a quote from about the time Dom Pedro II fell no how the country could balkanize, but I can't find it right now.


Bernd 09/02/2017 (Sat) 10:00:30 [Preview] No. 9874 del
Well, this is a long topic and it needs moar research but as a first step here's a short summary on our election system (I left out some stuff tho), and am gonna post the relevant maps I found so far.
Translation by me, source of the maps' here:
http://www.geoindex.hu/adatbazisok/vegleges-valasztasi-eredmeny-terkepekkel-2014/

The Parliament of Hungary historically (since 1608) consisted of two chambers however certain habbenings in the first half of 20th century dissolved the upper one so now we left with one. From 1990 to 2014 we had 386 representatives but with the new Constitution the Fidesz lowered their number to 199. We cast double vote one on individual candidates and one on party lists. 106 representatives are elected directly through constituencies and 93 get in via the national lists.
We only vote on the representatives and not on the person of the president. Here the prime minister is the more important anyway the president is more of a figurehead. But this is how it looks like:
- we elect the representatives (for 4 years)
- the legislation elects the president (for 5 years)
- the president recommends a person for PM (usually the leader of the winning party, first name on the party list)
- the legislation elects the PM based on this recommendation
- the PM recommends ministers
- the president appoints ministers based on this recommendation
- everyone is happy except those who didn't get into the cabinet and the people
Unlike the US type of two-party system our palette is more colorful so our maps will be more colorful as well.


Bernd 09/02/2017 (Sat) 11:25:03 [Preview] No. 9876 del
The results of the vote on individual candidates. Only Fidesz and Socialists.


Bernd 09/02/2017 (Sat) 11:27:38 [Preview] No. 9877 del
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The composition of the Parliament.
Btw these three pics came from here:
http://www.valasztas.hu/hu/ogyv2014/861/861_0_index.html
This is the official site of all elections and referendum.


Bernd 09/02/2017 (Sat) 15:52:36 [Preview] No. 9881 del
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A little who is who.

Fidesz-KDNP
- president: Viktor Orbán (Fidesz) and Zsolt Semjén (KDNP)
- The Fidesz plays the role of the conservative party and with the KDNP (Christian-democrats) caters the needs of those who prefer lukewarm nationalism, Christianity and Jews. Closet gypsy-haters like every Hungarian who doesn't hate them openly who buys gypsy leaders and gypsy votes but fucks over poor gypsies forcing them to do pseudo-work at pseudo-workplace for their gypsy-money (previously they got this with welfare). The Fidesz is the best acrobat in town as they manage the difficult stunt of loudmouthing the EU while sucking it's dick at the same time.

JOBBIK
- president: Gábor Vona
- Radical nationalists with socialistic economical ideas (beside the Workers Party they are the only ones who can be called socialists). Plays the role of the one who can be Nazied all the time. They got the votes of those who prefer national social justice protect the Hungarian small people and enterprises while kick the gypsy and tax the multi, those who hates Trianon and The Jews. The party took over the place of an earlier radical nationalist party, the MIÉP, who was the same but with fewer Jews among them. The Jobbik tries to open to the wider audience as they deluded themself they could govern the country and for that they need votes. They don't have the manpower for governing as everyone is on Socialist/Liberal or Fidesz payroll.

LMP
- president: Bernadett Szél, Ákos Hadházy (in 2014 András Schiffer)
- Liberal, somewhat green, somewhat socialist. They got the votes of those who like weed and Jews. They relieved the earlier liberal party, the SZDSZ, as these discredited themselves at the times when they were in the cabinet with the Socialists and crashed the country together back in 2002-2010. The same money stands behind them and they only popular in Budapest and some larger towns. Now they losing popularity as fresh liberal faces appeared on the scene (Momentum Movement, now a party) with more weed and Jew love, the capital's young university students prefer those more. I dunno if they'll make it into the parliament next year. The two groups might divide the liberal voters and liberals barely make the 5% threshold for ages now, oh and also there's PM and MLP (see next) too sooo...

MSZP-EGYÜTT-DK-PM-MLP, sometimes called Left Unity
- president: Gyula Molnár (MSZP), Péter Juhász (Együtt), Ferenc Gyurcsány (DK), Tímea Szabó and Karácsony Gergely (PM), Gábor Fodor (MLP)
- Liberal and maybe social-democrats if I'm generous. This was a short lived alliance between self-styled socialists and liberals formed by the wreckage of the MSZP-SZDSZ coalition. Well it's the same as what the MSZP-SZDSZ coalition was, except with some new faces and with different names for their dwarf-parties. They got the votes of the real market liberals (very few people) and those bydlo who still believes they're socialists (lot of people). The only strong parties among those are the MSZP and maybe the DK. PM is a schismatic part of the LMP, and MLP is what's left from the SZDSZ.


Bernd 09/03/2017 (Sun) 12:36:37 [Preview] No. 9885 del
So why Hungarians vote as they vote?
If we take a look at the winner map (picrel) we see the yellow-orange sea of Fidesz-KDNP with small islands of red (MSZP and such) and grey (Jobbik). Is there a pattern here? Some divide like in the case of Brasil?
Well, it's absolutely clear that on the north-east the Fidesz didn't have that tight grip red and grey dots are much more frequent, especially the grey. I will come back to this in the next post and write about the possible reasons.
There are three more notable anomaly (i.e. not orange) on this map: Budapest (Central-North), Szeged (South, South-East) and Salgótarján (North, North-East), all are important settlements where the Socialists are still standing strong. I'm not entirely sure what's going on there my take on BP and Salgótarján would be more of a guess but in case of Szeged I've more solid info. Prior 2002 the people of Szeged swung back and forth from Fidesz to MSZP then back to Fidesz when it came to the leadership of the town. Then in 2002 they chose a mayor from the MSZP who done right (it seems) and they reelected him since then erry tiem. From 2002 he built a solid MSZP base there which vote them on every turn.
If we change our angle then we can define a different anomaly: spotless orange areas without other colors or at least almost none. I won't tire you with Hungarian names of the counties you see, so I'll discribe them with directions:
1. the two nort-western counties
2. the two central counties
3. the two south-eastern counties
I'll address this in the next post in parallel with the nort-eastern freckles.


Bernd 09/04/2017 (Mon) 18:56:29 [Preview] No. 9906 del
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A note: it's good to keep in mind that Fidesz-KDNP was the governing party in 2010-2014.

What could be the reason of the north-eastern freckles and the north-western, central, and south-eastern spotless orange?
First I'd draw your attention to the first map about the difference between the first two parties (this is also a repost). We can observe that in the north-east the competition was very fierce while on the north-west and central-south the Fidesz won quite confidently. While it's not entirely the case with the other spotless areas but the race wasn't that close in those areas either. This means three things:
1. the Fidesz was popular enough even in the north-east to give a tough fight,
2. but where it won in the north-east the other parties still came close, i.e. lots of people would rather see some other party at the head of the government, i.e. lots of unsatisfied people in that area.
3. in the spotless areas people are rather satisfied by the governing performance of the Fidesz.
Now take a look at the second map which is the annual net income per capita. Weeeellll there's some correlation but it doesn't give the sufficient answer we're searching for. Oh yes the north-west is undeniably the wealthiest part (along with the capital) and yes there are quite lot of blueish shades in the north-eastern parts however lots of blues can be seen on areas which aren't that freckled or contested like further east or the other side of the country in the south-west.
Let's review the third map: unemployment. Of course low income and unemployment goes hand in hand so this map is fairly similar to the previous. I find it more convincing as an explanation for the people's discontent in the north-east and the support of the north-west but maybe just the chosen colors are tricking me and of course the same discrepancies can be observed as on the previous map.
To sum up: those whose carts run well (as we say) under a certain government tend to vote back that government into the seats of power meanwhile the lack of wealth and jobs tend to turn people against the ruling groups but must be some other reasons which could cancel out the latter's effect.
I've more to add (like some historical info or some Hungarian particularities) but I've only have one more map. A map which no sane person in the mainstream media would put forward for a comparison but it would be very informative in the light the maps in this post. I try to dig around some more maybe I found some map with other demographic data.


Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 07:49:56 [Preview] No. 10140 del
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>>9906
So here's the third map that completes the landscape of net income and (especially) unemployment with it's slice of information. The gypsies.
A lazy population with below-average educational level isn't the greatest charming factor for the companies who seeks workforce. 300 000 people like this are living in the country distributed in a way this map shows. They will have that impact what those maps reveal to us in my previous post. They make up the largest part of the unemployed crowd, they are mostly good for jobs in the lowest wages (like working in public employment which pays much less then minimum wage) so they'll lower the average of the income per capita.
I have to say I'd really like to see a crime map too.
How is it important for voting preference? Those who living in those areas with higher gypsy population will tend to be disgruntled so they'll generally vote against the government no matter who it is.


Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 07:57:38 [Preview] No. 10141 del
>>10140
Oh it's worth mentioning. The actual number of the gypsy population is larger than 300 000 but unknown. It isn't mandatory to answer the question of the census on the ethnic background.
In personal conversations more and more gypsies declares him-/herself Hungarian, mostly those who have higher education with established normal jobs and try to disassociate themselves from the unemployed, the uneducated and the criminal elements, at least this is my experience and those who I had conversation on this topic so this last part is far from official.


Bernd 09/10/2017 (Sun) 08:36:34 [Preview] No. 10146 del
>>9906
The mentioned peculiarities:
The maps can't really reflect the impact of two large part of the Hungarian population: the aforementioned gypsies and the pensioners. Why? Because their votes can be bought and parties really do that.
In case of the gypsies is more blatant but it's more of a local thing. I read many articles in the past when this thing occurred, candidates promised and gave them food, alcohol and money.
Now the pensioners are on a whole other level. Hungary has almost 3 million of them! Their attitude toward the parties can and do decide the fate of the elections so everyone tries to keep them on their good side. So what does a party do? They promise to raise their pension, or keep the pension of the 13th month, or reintroduce it if previously it was necessary of it's termination. And the parties will tell them that other parties want to lower their money, and terminate the pension of 13th month and use other ways to demonize their opponents. And of course the party with the better propaganda machine will have more of their votes.
Right now the greatest scandal on Earth goes in our country. No it's not about the migrants or corruption. No. There was some demonstration where the Fidesz supporting pensioners behaved like savages they are and someone from the Jobbik, probably Vona himself made a remark on how the Fidesz makes animals from the good bland pensioners. Now the media controlled by the Fidesz is roaring all over the country how the Jobbik attacks these poor old people with it's foul ways it probably wants to take away their money as well. It works, Fidesz is gaining popularity.


Bernd 09/23/2017 (Sat) 09:21:09 [Preview] No. 10616 del
I always forgot to post this:
The northeast is traditionally socialist voter.
The communist era seen some large scale industrialization and this area was one center of it getting large amount of workers. They also strengthened their "socialist consciousness" with propaganda. The Hungarian Soviet of 1919 could produce only one success: after Czechs advanced into Hungary they started a counterattack in the northeast the communists planned to establish connection with Soviet Russia while the Hungarian people were behind the idea of liberating the occupied territories, nevertheless this was a common cause that had popular backing which proved quite successful the country regained Kassa too. This victory later was used to show as the brave action of the working class and they wrote stories about the struggles of the small people and how the northeast was a nest of the communist resistance and such. I can vaguely recall some story about an armoured train and it's crew probably totally made up and based on the combats along the Trans-Siberian Railroad during the Russian Civil War.
During the regime change these workers lost large. Lots of workplace had been closed and privatization happened in it's careless way lots of people lost their jobs. The future which seemed secure during the socialism became uncertain and they did not like it. Of course the first government got the blame which was led by a conservative party (now extinct) and people generally vote left since then.
However 2002-2010 happened when the socialist-liberal coalition lost all their credibility so people looked elsewhere and they found Jobbik with their socialistic ideas and promises on handling the gypsies firmly as these areas has lots of them and the people has lots of problems with them.
So I think this is also a reason why those irregularities exists in the northeast you can see in the maps.


Bernd 09/25/2017 (Mon) 18:45:43 [Preview] No. 10676 del
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Just snatched these from index.hu a Hungarian news portal.
1. who won where
2. AfD popularity
3. who lost how much compared to 2013


Bernd 09/25/2017 (Mon) 19:16:38 [Preview] No. 10678 del
>>10676
What I see:
The more slavic a part of Germany is the more votes AfD got.


Bernd 09/25/2017 (Mon) 20:23:03 [Preview] No. 10684 del
>>10678
Additional info the Index gave:
1. post-commie part is far-right and far-left
2. white cis males living in the east vote on AfD
3. 22% of the unemployed votes on AfD
4. 21% of blue collar workers votes on AfD
5. 16% of people with secondary education votes on AfD
6. 9% of people with academic degree votes on AfD
7. 1 million AfD voter voted on CDU in 2013
8. half-half million from SPD and Linke


Bernd 09/25/2017 (Mon) 20:32:22 [Preview] No. 10685 del
>>10684
>3. 22% of the unemployed votes on AfD
>4. 21% of blue collar workers votes on AfD
>5. 16% of people with secondary education votes on AfD
>6. 9% of people with academic degree votes on AfD
Just from this and suma sumarum percentage we can estimate the level of overeducation of Germans.


Bernd 09/26/2017 (Tue) 20:09:00 [Preview] No. 10702 del
>>10701
Oh yeah. I wanted to look up what's up with that but I forgot. They have really nice flag.
>plebiscite
I read plebicide.

I'm not sure how to feel about that either. Personally I'd say I support their wish to be independent. Might be because the past 500 years of Hungarian history was about nothing but a struggle for independence well it's not the whole truth but "it's good for here in the village and in town noone cares about it" hence sympathy for such ambitions.
Is it in our interest in any way? I dunno. Does their independence lead to more stability in the region or less?


Bernd 09/26/2017 (Tue) 20:15:40 [Preview] No. 10703 del
>>10702
>Is it in our interest in any way? I dunno. Does their independence lead to more stability in the region or less?
Depends a lot on what the next step is. I'd say that the Levant should be carved up anew because old borders don't make any fucking sense whatsoever. But if only Kurdistan follows suit, that fucks up everyone.
Oh and as it is, I think Kurdistan infringes on Assyria with the Nineveh/Mosul occupation.


Bernd 09/26/2017 (Tue) 20:42:26 [Preview] No. 10705 del
>>10703
>Kurdistan infringes on Assyria with the Nineveh/Mosul occupation.
Maybe. But how many Assyrians are there? 10 thousand? 5? The great genociders got genocided throughout the millenias.


Bernd 09/26/2017 (Tue) 20:48:48 [Preview] No. 10707 del
>>10705
Before the recent war, 700k in Syria and 2M in Iraq. Add about 500k in US, and 100k in Germany and Sweden each.


Bernd 09/27/2017 (Wed) 05:15:39 [Preview] No. 10709 del
>>10707
I mean real Assyrians not those who claim to be Assyrian. I bet those in Sweden are the descendants of Yossarian as I prefer imagine him making there after his desertion as I haven't read Closing Time.


Bernd 09/28/2017 (Thu) 05:27:46 [Preview] No. 10719 del
You know what country I don't know about nutin? Slovenia. And Croatia, but we don't really have a Croat poster. At least in the case of Serbia I know about Karadzic and Milosevic.


Bernd 01/27/2018 (Sat) 17:48:57 [Preview] No.13352 del
Just checked KC main and I saw tomorrow Finns vote on a new President.
Here's some shit I found by a quick search:
http://wikielections.com/europe-elections/finnish-presidential-election-2018-voting-live/
https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/yles_guide_to_finlands_2018_presidential_election/9974968
That "voting live" page will be updated live or I just misunderstood something?


Bernd 01/27/2018 (Sat) 18:10:54 [Preview] No.13354 del
This blog has a short post on the vote and the President.
https://raivopesula.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/presidential-election-finland/
Kekkonen
Kekkonen
Kekkonen


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Al right. I've been lazy, so here's a brief who is who not necessarily in Power Level order. By default in Scandinavia everyone is a Commie except the Nazis who are Commies instead.
Sauli Niinistö - independent (Commie, centre-right, liberal-conservative), most popular
Laura Huhtasaari - Trüe Finns (Nazis, nationalist, conservative, eurosceptic, maybe second strongest party)
Pekka Haavisto - Green (Commies, pro-EU-federalization)
Paavo Väyrynen - independent (Commie, has his own party which is centrist, eurosceptic)
Tuula Haatainen - Social Democrat (Commies)
Merja Kyllönen - Left Alliance (Commies, well they are commies, somewhat eurosceptic)
Nils Horgels... erm... Torvalds - Swedish People's (Commies, which is liberal in this case)
Matti Vanhanen - Centre (Commies, centrist, liberal, agrarian)

Who do we want to win? True Finns, right?


Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 18:58:56 [Preview] No.13370 del
>>13368
Väyrynen's party sounds like sth I'd support myself tbh


Bernd 01/28/2018 (Sun) 19:05:52 [Preview] No.13373 del
>>13370
I dunno. But I would kidnap that blonde cutie to make trepanation on heda in my yurt all night long. The grill too.


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>>13368
I don't think that this election can change anything, but I'm ready to vote for her.

I want even to hack their elections now.


Bernd 01/29/2018 (Mon) 06:18:33 [Preview] No.13390 del
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Finns elected their current Pres, Trollface-guy, back.


Bernd 01/29/2018 (Mon) 10:47:21 [Preview] No.13392 del
>>13390
Epin.


Bernd 01/30/2018 (Tue) 18:14:09 [Preview] No.13420 del
>>13390
This is my sidekick, the President of Finland! He goes "ha ha ha" and all that


Bernd 01/30/2018 (Tue) 18:32:35 [Preview] No.13423 del
>>13420
There's no juggalos in finland, only yoopers


Bernd 01/31/2018 (Wed) 00:30:15 [Preview] No.13435 del
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>>13423
Oh my God, muh heritage Finnish-Americans. I always forget that they exist, so whenever anyone brings them up it's like a treat to me. Funny, seeing as I am a born and raised Michigander. I like our obscure racial minorities.
Yoopers, Pennsylvania Deutsch, Texas Silesians, Minnesota Sumaalis, good fun. Nothing in this world is quite so kc tier as a well-placed American trailer park.


Bernd 01/31/2018 (Wed) 06:14:46 [Preview] No.13437 del
>>13423
Are there or will be available any maps about how many voted on who where?
Also the tuntea when we too have Finns now.


Bernd 02/01/2018 (Thu) 21:40:08 [Preview] No.13477 del
Not much nothing.


Bernd 02/02/2018 (Fri) 10:47:18 [Preview] No.13485 del
>>13437
idk I only watch ayneemurs


Bernd 02/02/2018 (Fri) 16:57:22 [Preview] No.13490 del
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>>13485
Why would someone create such thing like that?


Bernd 02/02/2018 (Fri) 20:45:29 [Preview] No.13495 del
>>13490
Many governments try to increase turnout of young voters who rarely care about politics. Maybe it is this case.

At least in Russia it was like this in recent past. They even gave me some small present when I voted first time in 2004, it was pen and paper notebook or something.


Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 08:46:17 [Preview] No.13500 del
>>13495
They even bothered to make the language Japanese. Is there a large audience in Finland who would care about his animay's dub or authenticity when it just promotes an election? Is animay considered hip and youthful in Finland instead of juvenile? Or did they just go full assburger thinking they really have to won over all those manchildren?


Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 10:08:25 [Preview] No.13503 del
>>13500
Youtube says "A skit made by Yle Kioski, a government funded news & comedy show aimed at the younger generation.".

I guess it is more like joke than propaganda, although usage of all candidates and positive image looks slightly "propagandish" indeed. DEMOKRATIA, lol. I don't know Finnish or Japanese, so can't understand anything though.

>animay considered hip and youthful

"Adult" people often have funny image of hip and youthfulness. For example, recently Russian election committee contracted some PR company to make ads for next elections, and they said they'll use memes to attract younger audience (biggest opposition guy, who is also popular in youth demographics, started campaign to boycott the elections).

And some examples of these memes already seen, and they are from fucking 2011. Maybe in 2024 they'll even use Pepe.


Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 10:42:53 [Preview] No.13506 del
>>13503
>"Adult" people often have funny image of hip and youthfulness.


Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 18:10:02 [Preview] No.13514 del
UK has the best political promotion videos tbh
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rl6NnfiYrwQ [Embed]


Bernd 02/03/2018 (Sat) 21:46:16 [Preview] No.13516 del
>>13514
We had the very best political videos in 90s. Sadly it doesn't look good today.


Bernd 02/04/2018 (Sun) 17:49:17 [Preview] No.13527 del
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>>13514
Wow! Such dynamic, such overwhelming flare. Oh my God, I want to go voting and I want to vote on them!

>>13516
Those are short separate blocks edited together for the sake of the video or that 9 min went down as a whole on TV?


Bernd 02/04/2018 (Sun) 21:18:04 [Preview] No.13531 del
>>13527
>Those are short separate blocks edited together for the sake of the video or that 9 min went down as a whole on TV?

It was made as one big video (same style etc), but then splitted to chunks for TV. I can't remember properly though.

Here is full version (at least description says so): https://youtube.com/watch?v=aPehx1i-df8 [Embed]
It is interesting that such politician (Yavlinsky, modern western-style democrat) used folk song and "common people" imagery, uncommon for this political position, especially in 90s.


Bernd 02/19/2018 (Mon) 20:02:45 [Preview] No.13746 del
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The official campaign period has just started on the weekend for the legislative elections (coming up in April) so the "stop Soros and his plan" advertisements ceased to be government funded public service announcements and finally they can be acknowledged as part of the Fidesz' campaign.

Polls show fairly the same results in the rankings of the parties however the percentages of the people's support varies a lot.
Already wrote a who is who previously but here's a quick rundown with the numbers of the estimated support among the whole adult population:
Fidesz-KDNP governing parties, conservative populist, Victator Orbán and Co. - 26-46%
Jobbik - softening right radical - 7-17%
MSZP - pseudo-socialists #1 - 5-11%
DK - pseudo-socialists #2 - 3-8%
Együtt - pseudo-socialists #3, - 1-2%
Párbeszéd - green, liberal, "socialist" - 0-2%
Liberálisok - liberals - 0-1%
LMP - least insufferable liberals - 3-7%
MKKP - joke party - 0-1%
Momentum - also least insufferable liberals - 1-3%
I dunno what influence the sometimes huge differences.

Additional information:
- 199 seats
- one round
- direct and secret votes
- one vote for the party list another for a candidate in the constituency
- party lists cover 93 mandates (so there are 106 constituencies)
- those parties can have a list which are able to run a candidate in 27 constituencies, in at least 9 counties and Budapest
- a candidate can contend only if at least 1000 voters vouch for him with their "knocking slips"
- on these slips the voters have to write their name, address and ID number along with their party preference and their favored candidate here I have a question, as you see this is basically an open vote which goes against the principle of the secret vote, is this practice common elsewhere, or just we are the lucky ones who have it?
- the parties need at least 5% of the votes to get into the parliament (coalitions +10% with two and +15% with three members)


Bernd 02/19/2018 (Mon) 23:10:52 [Preview] No.13749 del
>>13746
>- a candidate can contend only if at least 1000 voters vouch for him with their "knocking slips"
>- on these slips the voters have to write their name, address and ID number along with their party preference and their favored candidate here I have a question, as you see this is basically an open vote which goes against the principle of the secret vote, is this practice common elsewhere, or just we are the lucky ones who have it?

Maybe I got this wrong, but here we also have a required amount of signatures that are needed to allow someone to participate in elections. For example, president needs to get 300k, or 100k if he going with party support if party have no seats in parliament (parties from parliament have free candidates). Parties also require some amount of people to get officially registered. In local elections amount of signatures is much less, even to 25 people on very local tier.

All signatures of course aren't anonymous, passport and other data is required. Central election committee must check most of them (at least in theory, but really they do partial check).

Although it doesn't really matter in modern Russia because of reasons that everyone know.


Bernd 02/20/2018 (Tue) 20:14:03 [Preview] No.13762 del
>>13749
Now I'm really curious how western democracies do this thing. Some regulations on the elections usually are in the Constitution others have their own electoral law. Obviously countries with English official language would be the first targets for me to check however I would more interested in non-Anglo countries I'm not sure they have their laws available in English.
Of course I checked our own law and I found that a law from 2011. (about the elections of the members of the National Assembly) states the candidates need 500 voters who nominate them, the more recent (2013) Electoral Law which regulates the whole process and has a separate section for the same topic states nothing or I'm blind, it just says the election committees has to check if their number is enough. So I dunno why would they need 1000 voters (I got that from I dunno where now, it wasn't the Wikipedia).
The Electoral Law says however that one voter can nominate several candidates. So this somewhat muddles the open vote nature of this "knocking slip" thingy. Btw this nickname reflects the modus operandi of their collection: the party soldiers knock on your door and you give them the slip.


Bernd 02/25/2018 (Sun) 21:17:13 [Preview] No.13844 del
Back to politics because it's fun.
In a town in south Hungary they held a local snap election as the mayor there dieded in November. The place was a Fidesz stronghold last time they won with 61% of the votes.
Today an independent candidate won instead with 57,5%, who is backed by all the opposition. The main difference was that in 2014 about 12000 voters went to vote, now over 22000.
The opposition started to dream about winning the legislative elections. Well they can build some propaganda around this victory at least.


Bernd 02/25/2018 (Sun) 21:30:11 [Preview] No.13845 del
>>13844
Holy crap. They have a thread about this on KC main now. A bunch of Hungarobernds revile each other over Hungarian politics. In English. Hilarious. Check it out if it's still alive.


Bernd 02/25/2018 (Sun) 23:26:11 [Preview] No.13852 del
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>>13844
Is Fidesz that bad so voters unite against it?

Also, is opposition ok or they are just modern eurocommies with #openborders tag?


Bernd 02/26/2018 (Mon) 17:58:45 [Preview] No.13856 del
>>13852
The problem with the Fidesz is that the only thing they actually did in 2 terms (8 years) is the stopping of the flow of the migrants. And even that is controversial as migrants can buy their way in with enough money.
The country's economy is all right considering but not because they are such geniuses and not because of their hard work but because the global economy is doing fine. If such recession knocked on the door like the one in 2008 our economy would go down the toilet with the Fidesz.
Things are getting built. Lots of things. Lots of nice, shiny things. But there's a few problem:
1. everything is built from the EU moniz thanks Merkel;
2. none of these things are quality enough to last, or there's no money on their maintenance, all of these things are just for the show, a heavy make-up on the same old whore's face
3. this EU moniz go right back into the pockets of western companies or into the pockets of Fidesz oligarchs.
The public healthcare is a big pile of shit. Well it always was and the subsequent governments did nothing to change that. Always some reorganizing is going but they just move the shit from here to there and back. So it's not the Fidesz' fault it's shit but their fault it's still shit.
The public education on the other hand is constantly declining. An example: I read an article not long ago, about at the end of 2017 that it's a huge problem that the 8th graders' reading comprehension is bad and they start high-school with insufficient skills while they should have adequate level of this by 6th grade. I said: what? 6th grade? In 6th grade they should have adequate reading comprehension for 3 years by then! Kids learning to write and read in 1st grade, and they should learn understanding the texts in 2nd grade! My generation did! How else they read their books and their notes?! Why do they even have books if they can't comprehend them?! God!


cont. Bernd 02/26/2018 (Mon) 18:23:06 [Preview] No.13857 del
>>13856
Opposition isn't ok.
Jobbik might be ok but they don't have enough manpower to handle the governing, and they still sound amateurish. They lost their radical edge on purpose to attract moderate voters but they lost a considerable part of their old voter base and moderates rather vote on Fidesz. Personally I don't really like them somehow they smell fishy to me from day 1. I would prefer the old far-right party of MIÉP over them but those guys are nowhere to be found now. The Fidesz' propaganda claims Jobbik become pro-migration which is an outright lie. They are also the only really EU-sceptic party.
The socialists made big bucks after the regime change they were great winners of the early privatization as they were close to the fire with the meat filled pot. Full of rich people, laissez-faire style while singing The Internationale. Same goes to old liberals close to them who are backing every degeneracy ever invented. Pro-migration.
The newer liberals are better, little pot, little homosex, but they are usually green, and care more about the little people, healthcare, education and corruption. Pro-migration.
For me their cooperation level is unknown. They might have enough voters together to beat Fidesz and they demonstrated with this local election they are able to do it. But on state level the Jobbik is incompatible with the others. The socialist guys (3 or 4 parties now) can't even cooperate between themselves, there are people among them (like the ex-PM Gyurcsány) who aren't acceptable for most of the others.
It would be ebin if they beat Fidesz, I would really watch their coalition or a Fidesz coalition with one of them.


Bernd 02/27/2018 (Tue) 07:53:06 [Preview] No.13867 del
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>>13856
>The public healthcare is a big pile of shit.
>The public education on the other hand is constantly declining

This is an worldwide trend, no one in Hungary or everywhere could even stop this. Something like Kondratiev wave that exists but can't be easily explained.

>Kids learning to write and read in 1st grade, and they should learn understanding the texts in 2nd grade! My generation did! How else they read their books and their notes?! Why do they even have books if they can't comprehend them?! God!

Yes, that sounds strange, because modern kids exposed to letters even more than in past, thanks to widespread usage of computers and smartphones. Although "reading comprehension" is strange thing that can be measured differently.

Everyone in our first grade already could read pretty good (for 1st graders of course), so they even took back the free alphabet book that they gave us. That was somewhat sad because that book (Bukvar') is a cultural meme about schoolkids. So, when they did some school photos, they gave it to as, made photo with it and took it back again few times. It was 90s though.


Bernd 02/28/2018 (Wed) 15:09:52 [Preview] No.13886 del
In Canada, we typically see a strong sense of regionalism in three particular regions in the federal elections: Alberta (Conservative Party), Atlantic Canada (Conservative Party) and Quebec (NDP). The rest of the country tends to vote in line with each other, either Conservative or Liberal traditionally.
In recent years, aside from the past election in 2015, there has been a pattern of ridings spread from Manitoba past Quebec voting majority NDP, which is unprecedented. This has been termed the "Orange Wave" or "Orange Crush".

Some parties in Canada only exist in certain parties or ridings, such as the Rhino Party and Wild Rose Party (Alberta), the Bloc Quebecois and Parti Quebecois (Quebec, almost defunct) and the People's Alliance Party (New Brunswick).

Another interesting fact is that the 2013 election in Fredericton South marked the first riding in a municipal election to have a Green Party majority vote.


Bernd 02/28/2018 (Wed) 16:48:06 [Preview] No.13893 del
>>13886
Wow. From 34 seats to 184 is a huge fucking hop. What made that possible?
>Bloc Quebecois and Parti Quebecois
Do those have any separatist tint?


Bernd 02/28/2018 (Wed) 17:50:49 [Preview] No.13896 del
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Behold, the Russian president election debates.


Bernd 02/28/2018 (Wed) 18:32:54 [Preview] No.13898 del
>>13896
Literally no reason to take it that seriously as Putin will own them. They still do it. Amazing.


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>>13898
There is concerns that turnout will be low, and low turnout may mean 1) not-so-real democracy, bad for foreign relations 2) Putin may not win overwhelmingly in first round because most passive group is his voters (although he is ~70% in polls), and this looks bad. Some popular opposition (half-fake) guy is also campaigns for boycotting the elections.

So main goal of current election campaign is to push people to vote. Best clowns are employed for this (Putin of course wouldn't even go to debates, he never does this).

So, we already have internet meme commie (true commie from KPRF, not "social-democrat" etc) who goes as commie candidate but didn't even joined the party. He is also a rich businessman and owner of large farm company, very communistic person indeed.

We have that woman, Sobchak, who is journalist/celebrity. She acts like "opposition" and targets "liberals". People don't like her because she is rich celebrity, she also tries to act like anti-government person for years (passively supports Navalny, tries to go against Putin in court etc). But actually she is the daughter of former mayor of Sankt-Peterburg who, surprisingly, was boss and friend of Putin in 90s.

There is also some old guy (first in video) that was known in past but not forgotten. I thought that he is dead already but suddenly he is a candidate from literally unknown party.

There is old Zhirinovsky. He just can't act differently, he must be clown.

There is Yavlinsky who joins every presidential campaign for 20+ years.

And two other candidates who literally unknown people.


Bernd 03/01/2018 (Thu) 18:28:42 [Preview] No.13923 del
>>13910
Really hard choice. I wouldn't be in the place of a Russian voter.

Among our real commies (picrel) we couldn't find a rich one (among our "socialist" there are plenty of millionaires, billionaires and buenosaires). Without their internationalism they would be pretty decent compared to others which still wouldn't make them a good choice.


Bernd 03/05/2018 (Mon) 19:52:47 [Preview] No.14006 del
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Italian elections

With 72.9% turnout four parties gained notable amount of votes:
- Lega Nord - fascists, led by Leon the Professional
- Movimento 5 Stelle - anarcho-communists, led by a high ranking member of the New Jersey based DiMeo family
- Partito Democratico - left-liberals led by a Bri'ish dude
- Liberi e Uguali - some other left-liberals I guess, led by the dad of Agent Grasso of the FBI, probably supported by the US government so he can keep an eye on the mobster mentioned above


Bernd 03/05/2018 (Mon) 19:55:07 [Preview] No.14007 del
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It seems it's still undecided how much seats these parties gained in the bicameral Italian Parliament (Camera and Senato).
Exciting turn of event is that both most supported parties are eurosceptic.
Additional information: the Lega and the Democratico are alliances of many smaller parties so basically the fairly new 5 Stelle party is the biggest in Italy.
Judging by the map the more industrial north voted to right (those parties are mainly based in the north), and the poorer south chose the left.

Two regional elections were held as a background noise.
In Lombardy the Lega gained the 53,4% of the votes, in Lazio the Democratico was the strongest with 34,2%.


Bernd 03/06/2018 (Tue) 06:35:49 [Preview] No.14014 del
https://www.rt.com/news/420482-renzi-quit-leader-party/
The Bri'ish guy leaves the helm of Democratico.


Bernd 03/06/2018 (Tue) 23:15:40 [Preview] No.14020 del
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>>13910
Meanwhile, some people discovered that our real meme commie has 11 accounts in Swiss banks with million of dollars, and also has a 5kg of gold stored there. It is forbidden to have foreign bank accounts for presidential candidate, so he may be excluded from vote. Although all his media presence, be it good or bad for him, looks pretty staged.

Other candidates also do their role in this circus. Sobchak (the girl) was attacked by some guy who poured water on her and said "that is for Zhirinovsky". Then her site was hacked, Then she asked embassy of Ukraine a permission to visit Crimea, and now everyone is very butthurted.

Russian citizens in the US of A could start vote at 11 March. Is it time for USA to fight back and hack the elections? Mr. Trump, I'm counting on you.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 06:51:39 [Preview] No.14022 del
>>14020
And the elections are right at the corner!
Does Russia sink into political apathy or it's still too strong of a claim?
Nevertheless these acts and scandals could have been loaned from a soap opera.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 07:43:12 [Preview] No.14023 del
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>>14022
I think Russia sits in political apathy from 2000. Everyone know who will win in presidential or parliament elections and no one really think that elections can do anything. Opposition simply doesn't exist, because all parties in parliament vote almost unanimously for any law that is passed from government, even if they act like opposition at election campaigns.

The biggest happenings of last ~15 years were protests of 2011-2013 and they were meh. Only "real" big opposition figure is Navalny, but he is surely related to Kremlin (or someone from Kremlin) in some way (some say that he is direct FSB project, for example, because of some of his actions and behavior). And he wasn't allowed to join current elections some time ago.

Last real presidential elections when something could have changed happened in 1996, it was a serious shitshow. Yeltsin had pretty low ratings and almost lost to Zuganov (KPRF), third candidate (general Lebed) was also strong and popular (he endorsed Yeltsin in second round after he got high position in government). Yeltsin got heart attack in process, media coverage was much more extreme than today etc.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 16:16:37 [Preview] No.14033 del
>>14022
Huhh, now I got Dutchball. Weird.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 17:35:23 [Preview] No.14035 del
>>14033
Are you sure that you're not colorblind?


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 17:39:12 [Preview] No.14037 del
>>14035
This >>14022 was my post here and if I put my cursor over my ball the tooltip says: Netherland.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 17:40:08 [Preview] No.14038 del
>>14037
I mean Netherlands.
How many lands they need anyway? Especially from the nether type?


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 17:52:25 [Preview] No.14039 del
>>14038
If you ain't Dutch, you ain't much.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 18:13:46 [Preview] No.14041 del
>>14039
Well, could be worse. Like having the ugliest language the Dutch.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 19:50:09 [Preview] No.14050 del
>>14033
I think it's a problem with the domain, ever since .xyz went down I keep switching between UK and Texas.


Bernd 03/07/2018 (Wed) 21:20:19 [Preview] No.14051 del
>>14050
I didn't even notice the domain was now at .net until now.


Bernd 03/08/2018 (Thu) 16:49:19 [Preview] No.14058 del
>>14051
Taken down for abuse I heard. Probably CP spam or something.


Bernd 03/17/2018 (Sat) 10:26:18 [Preview] No.14509 del
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Tomorrow is the day.
Don't forget in this situation resembling to the Cold War, only a strong leader like Putin can ensure the Victory for Russia.
https://www.rt.com/news/421435-quotes-conflict-skripal-case/
https://www.rt.com/uk/421508-salisbury-skripal-cold-war/


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 07:33:39 [Preview] No.14574 del
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https://www.rt.com/politics/421510-presidential-election-comprehensive-guide/
The...
>political feces have emerged
...!
t. RT

I won't try and introduce the contestants as Rossiyabernd has already did that. So I'm gonna just say: may the best Putin win!


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 07:50:34 [Preview] No.14575 del
>>14574
Woah, election in russia today? How did I miss that.
I have no doubt who will remain in power, I'm just wondering about how high the turnout will be.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 07:54:27 [Preview] No.14576 del
>>14575
Upsets happen all the time. Look at American College Shootyhoop.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 08:49:46 [Preview] No.14577 del
This map shows the result of the last presidential elections, held in 2012.
Color code:
1. blue = Putin


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 08:53:57 [Preview] No.14578 del
>>14577
He even won the JAR?!


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 09:02:45 [Preview] No.14579 del
>>14578
Putin is ultimate winner. Even polar bears of Franz Josef Land vote for him.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 09:40:08 [Preview] No.14580 del
>>14577
From the 85 federal regions Putin got less than 60% of the votes in 35, and more than 90% in 5. He seems to be very popular in the regions near the Caucasus and in other regions wich names was given after non-Russian folks. The least supportive regions are all over the place. Moscow hates him the most, only 46.95% of the voters thought he's the best candidate.
I don't think any correlation with economic, ethnic or other features exist.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 11:23:42 [Preview] No.14585 del
>>14580
>He seems to be very popular in the regions near the Caucasus

Speaking of Caucasus, they just like big numbers. Putin got 99% in Chechnya, but it isn't only big result in Chechnya.

For example, local schoolkids often get best results in unified state exam (scores from this exam used when you try to go into free university). Especially fun when they get max score in Russian language, but barely can speak it. Wonderful Caucasus, land of the smartest people in the world.


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 14:40:27 [Preview] No.14606 del
>>14581
it's Hillary's revenge for Putin hacking Trump into presidency ins USA


Bernd 03/18/2018 (Sun) 17:00:27 [Preview] No.14622 del
https://youtube.com/watch?v=az2D08JUG5E [Embed]
Ahh, queueueueueues, just like in the good old soviet days at the shop for bread. Do they send home the half of them now that they run out of ballots?


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 06:05:16 [Preview] No.14664 del
Putin was reelected - he got 76.5% of the votes by 59.93% turnout - no surprises happened.
https://www.rt.com/news/421639-russian-presidential-election-results/

However he really needs to gear up in finding his successor:
https://www.rt.com/politics/421650-putin-2030-presidential-bid/


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 07:25:39 [Preview] No.14668 del
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>>14664
>However he really needs to gear up in finding his successor:

Somewhat free translation of this out of context quote: "Why do you think that after me humans must necessarily come to power?"

(he said "people" but it can be used as "humans", and subtitles cover only part of some sentence of course).


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 18:46:15 [Preview] No.14698 del
>>13893
They do have a separtist/Quebec nationalistic lean to them, they were the parties that tried to enact the famous Quebec Charter of Rights (their own Charter seperate to the national one). What happened to trigger this massive change in seats was that Quebec Nationalism was an increasingly unpopular fringe movement, especially because the parties pushing for it became more and more extreme in their views. They eventually died almost completely when the Liberals won in Quebec in 2015.
You can read the Quebec Charter here: http://legisquebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-12


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 19:10:04 [Preview] No.14701 del
>>14664

Who is possible candidate for replacing Putin? What would that mean for Russia and the world?


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 19:15:36 [Preview] No.14702 del
>>14701
Hopefully its not some Marxist commie fuckface. I don't want Russia turning into the USSR again. Putin is pretty nationalistic so thats why I admire him, and I give a RATS ASS about what my stupid faggot SJW government shills claim about this man, he is fucking BASED as fuck period!


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 19:33:48 [Preview] No.14703 del
We're having elections in July, there are three coalitions.
PRI-PVEM-PANAL "Todos por México" (Everyone for Mexico) is the coalition for the continuity of the current regime, they are Centrists and Nationalists. Its presidential candidate is the technocrat José Antonio Meade, five times head of a state ministry in two different Federal goverments.
"Coalición por México al Frente" (Front for Mexico) formed by the opposition, first time a conservative (PAN) party unites with two social-democrat parties (PRD and MC) to remove PRI from the goverment and also to prevent the third time leftist presidential candidate to get into power. Their candidate is the Liberal-Democrat Ricardo Anaya Cortés, ex-president of PAN.
"Juntos haremos historia" (Together We'll Make History), the coalition of AMLO, politologist and leftist politician, this is his third and last time running for President, he created his leftist party MORENA in 2014, he has the support of the small Labor Party (PT) and surprisingly he has made coalition with a small, ultra-conservative, evangelical party (PES). This time AMLO has positioned himself as a Center-Right, anti-establishment candidate.

First map: States by its current ruling party. Green is PRI (Centrists in power of the federal goverment), blue is PAN (Conservatives), yellow is PRD (Social-democrats), light green is PVEM (Green), grey is non-partisan.
PRI's coalition rules 15 states.
PAN-PRD coalition rules 16 states.
The non partisan governor of the state of Nuevo Leon is also running for President.


Even when AMLO's coalition is leading in all the polls, he lacks governors, governors are essential to win a Federal election. PRI still has the largest party apparatus in the country, followed by PAN.


Second map: Results from the Federal election of 2012 by state. This was an election of three candidates, which may be the case for this year. First place was PRI, second place was PRD and third place was PAN. With 6 points of difference between first and second place.

Third map: Results from the Federal election of 2006 by state. This election was an election of two strong candidates, Felipe Calderón from PAN (blue) vs AMLO from PRD (yellow). This has been the tightest election, with less than one point (0.62) of difference between the first and second place.
This year election also could be similar to 2006, in case the candidates in first and second place in the polls become the only viable candidates, AMLO and Anaya.


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 19:34:18 [Preview] No.14704 del
>>14701
No idea. But they should spam his name in the media and create an image that can sell well among the Russians.

>>14698
Wait. On that link it says:
>This document has official status.
So they did enact it.


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 19:53:29 [Preview] No.14705 del
>>14703
I dunno much, or any about Mexican politics. What are issues the country has? How is Mexico doing compared to herself? Could she do better? Is the current government heading to the right direction? Is someone better there? I know the cartels are big, how large is their influence?


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 22:20:17 [Preview] No.14717 del
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>>14701
>Who is possible candidate for replacing Putin?

No one knows, but it doesn't matter anyway. Putin was literally nothing until he suddenly became a prime minister and Yeltsin successor. At these times (1999) there were much more serious political players that had very high ratings and were projected to win on next elections, like Primakov (former foreign minister) + Luzhkov (Moscow mayor) and their party. But in the year they suddenly reduced to nothing, and Putin became a ruler. I don't think anything prevents Putin to do same trick, especially when most of elites in Russia aren't very much loved by common folk, so another unknown new man will appear.

Also, Putin isn't a person, it is a specific title in Russian society. Next person also will be Putin, just with different flavor, like almost every Russian leader was.

>>14702
>Hopefully its not some Marxist commie fuckface. I don't want Russia turning into the USSR again

Meanwhile, modern trend here is USSR 2.0 and people with government like it. I don't want to call modern Russian government as real commies, but they surely have very similar features.

>Putin is pretty nationalistic

Sure, that is unheard level of nationalism, when Chechen warlords ride through Moscow in cars full of weapons, borders with Central Asia are Germany-tier and fully opened, and millions of migrants from there easily move in. Nationalistic as Merkel, I say.

Although I like how easily they brainwashed naive westerners. People who do foreign PR for Russia are truly god-tier, and it isn't sarcasm.


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 22:47:05 [Preview] No.14720 del
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>>14703
>politologist and leftist politician
>This time AMLO has positioned himself as a Center-Right
I don't get it.

>>14717
>People who do foreign PR for Russia are truly god-tier
If the tiger comics are any indication, it seems they've cut their PR budget, though.


Bernd 03/19/2018 (Mon) 23:09:59 [Preview] No.14721 del
Russian election results from Israel. Almost same numbers as average in Russia, except "opposition" got more votes (but Putin got same 70+%).

Proves that Russian Jews are Russians more than Jews.


Bernd 03/20/2018 (Tue) 06:17:10 [Preview] No.14727 del
>>14717
>Also, Putin isn't a person, it is a specific title in Russian society.
I wouldn't be surprised:
>We're electing the next Putin.
>Who will be the next Putin?
>XY for Putin!
What does Putin mean btw?

>>14720
I think the russiaball-tiger comic originally was indigenous propaganda for the Russians so it's naturally shit tier.


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>>14727
>What does Putin mean btw?

There may be different meanings. For example. put' (путь) is a path, "route". There is also old-style work puty (путы) - manacles, tether, maybe nets etc, it is related to path. That last meaning related to uncommon word "putina" - fishing season, but stress in applied to different part of word (same amount of cheap jokes with photos of "caviar of putin" created every year).

>I think the russiaball-tiger comic originally was indigenous propaganda for the Russians so it's naturally shit tier.

Don't underestimate amount of energy of patriotic people. Authors of that memeball comic may be truly sincere and enthusiastic, without any government support. And Bernd spammed them on boards because they are hilarious in their straightforwardness.


Bernd 03/20/2018 (Tue) 17:05:07 [Preview] No.14748 del
>>14734
So with Putin Russia is on a road she can't steer away from.


Bernd 03/21/2018 (Wed) 11:23:16 [Preview] No.14806 del
>>14717
>Although I like how easily they brainwashed naive westerners. People who do foreign PR for Russia are truly god-tier, and it isn't sarcasm.

I really don't think it's the achievement of those people thh. Putin routinely gets called a nationalist by mainstream liberal media with far bigger following than the marginal far-right news outlets, and that's the primary reason why he's perceived in the West as such. And yes, his policies are fairly nationalistic by Western standards (of course not by the standards of 14/88 people, but they're irrelevant marginals).


Bernd 03/21/2018 (Wed) 16:25:35 [Preview] No.14817 del
>>14806
People who do "foreign PR" for whatever country aren't necessarily employed by that country.
For example during the Vietnam War the anti-war American media served NV purposes.


Hungarian elections tomorrow! Bernd 04/07/2018 (Sat) 07:21:44 [Preview] No.15680 del
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Very exciting. Nod really.
Here's the polls of nine such institution.
Pic #1 - All voters
Pic #2 - Sure voters

Key:
orange - Fidesz-KDNP (governing parties, cleptocrat populist)
dark green - Jobbik (nazis who are too nazis for wider populace but not nazi enough for nazies, don't know if cleptocrats*)
red - MSZP-Párbeszéd-Liberálisok (liberals masquerading socialists allied with liberals, cleptocrats)
blue - DK (liberals masquerading socialists lead by the much hated ex-prime minister, cleptocrats)
pink - Együtt (liberals, cleptocrats)
green - LMP (liberals, don't know if cleptocrats*)
yellow - MKKP (joke party, don't know if cleptocrats*)
purple - Momentum (liberals, don't know if cleptocrats*)
grey - don't know, don't wanna answer, don't vote
*varying probability of being cleptocrats


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 13:49:31 [Preview] No.15706 del
Today at 06:00 the circus began. Supposedly high turnout can change the result, a lot. Picrel shows how much it was at 05:58.
But seriously: right now it's very high by 13:00 it was over 42% and eggsberts estimate the turnout over 70% by the evening.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 13:50:13 [Preview] No.15707 del
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>>15706
Forgot picrel...


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 14:34:17 [Preview] No.15709 del
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At 09:03 in the small settlement of Hegykő (NW Hungary, not far from Vienna) a citizen walked into the polling station and presented a document titled: "Information on the invalidity of the Constitution". He demanded that the committee make an official record that they received the document.
The head of the committee sent him away then he left.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 14:44:07 [Preview] No.15710 del
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09:58 In the village of Becskeháza (population: 27) the head of the vote counting committee broke his arm.
Additional information: none.


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11:11, Csepel/Budapest 21st district: the vice-president of the committee amputated a piece from one of his fingers with a chair by accident when the finger wedged between the chair's frame and the sitting surface.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 15:04:26 [Preview] No.15713 del
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12:35 In Tarnabod village (NE Hungary) a citizen came into the polling station, cussed the committee, he called them illiterate and turncoat. He voted then left the building.


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13:20 In Baja (South Hungary) a voter's knee dislocated during voting. Probably by an arrow.
This stuff is dangerous, don't vote at home, kids.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 15:16:07 [Preview] No.15715 del
>>15714
Oh I forgot. Same place but in another polling station, earlier. A voter didn't want to leave the room and demanded 1000 HUF for taxi. He cursed and shouted, insulted everyone. The police had to remove him.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 16:02:59 [Preview] No.15717 del
Picrel is the difference between the final turnout of 2014 and today's at 17:00.
In relation the maps I posted previously ITT it seems to me more people went to vote where the Fidesz' support was higher in 2014. I think the Fidesz will win confidently.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 17:21:36 [Preview] No.15719 del
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It's past 19:00 ballots closed, in theory. There are places where lots of people are still standing in line. Supposedly at one polling station about 3000 people.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 17:54:16 [Preview] No.15720 del
When can we expect results?


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 18:15:06 [Preview] No.15724 del
>>15720
Until the last voter cast his/her votes the National Election Office won't give out any preliminary results. So it might be middle of the night when the first infos will come out. But until then they count the votes on all the places they can so when we get some info the process will be very advanced.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 18:15:49 [Preview] No.15725 del
>>15720
>>15724
So I say tomorrow morning. :^)


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 18:16:47 [Preview] No.15726 del
Oh and I haven't seen exit poll.


Bernd 04/08/2018 (Sun) 18:53:58 [Preview] No.15728 del
the emperor protects


Bernd 04/09/2018 (Mon) 05:35:22 [Preview] No.15744 del
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Pic #1 Turnout was very high, so the result has a strong legal basis - which will be important... I'll tell it further down in this post.
Pic #2 Votes on the party lists. The Fidesz won there's no doubt. 5 percent is the threshold, five parties can have seats by this. It's kinda surprising LMP is stronger than the DK but that's all right.
I can't show any maps about the constituencies right now (no time foolin around) so the third pic:
Pic #3 Mandates. Now this is the part that sucks hairy boar balls. With the combined results of the party lists and the constituencies Fidesz got the 2/3 for four years as they did in 2010. And with high turnout their propaganda will parrot: they have the trust of Hungarian people, they have all the legal authority we gave them. God.
Pic #4 Mandates too, what party got how many seats. Hungarian Parliament has 199 mandates, 106 from constituencies. So there are other parties who got 1-1, the Együtt (liberals) and MNOÖ which is the National Self-Government of Germans in Hungary (their Führer and representative is called Ritter Imre/Emmerich Ritter). Also we have an independent representative who I won't look up right now.

I'm not amused. I want to choke these idiots, especially the retired. Fucking faggots. Supposedly the younger generations voted against Fidesz, so things might change in the future. But it may be that these guys will run out of steam with their youthful rebellion against authority in 4 years so who knows.


Bernd 04/09/2018 (Mon) 07:39:02 [Preview] No.15745 del
>>15744
>Függleten
Függ :DDD


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Here are the constituencies, orange, orange everyhwere. Pic #2 is Budapest.
It fuckin sucks actually. I mean the voting system.
199 seats, 93 for the lists and 106 to constituencies. Fidesz got less than half of that 93 (43) with less than half of the votes, but won the vast majority (91!) of the constituencies with about the same percentage of the votes (their candidates aren't more popular in the constituencies than on country level). This way they got 2/3 with an actual result of barely 50%.
Just look at that fag in Pic #3. With 38.45 he got a cushy cushion in the Parliament.
Pic #4 is their best result. As I searched through the representatives I got the feeling most of their support are between 40 and 55%. In 6-7 cases they got over 60.


Bernd 04/09/2018 (Mon) 16:39:15 [Preview] No.15768 del
>>15744
The eternal boomer strikes again


Now with proofs Bernd 04/09/2018 (Mon) 19:16:20 [Preview] No.15775 del
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/423629-hungary-orban-election-anti-eu/
Does the RT sells Orbán and Fidesz as anti-EU to /p*l/?

All right, what other election is coming up next?


Bernd 04/09/2018 (Mon) 19:31:32 [Preview] No.15777 del
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>>15775
>Does the RT sells Orbán and Fidesz as anti-EU to /p*l/?

Why not? Orban is "half-bro" in media here, he is "ourguy" and "anti-EU". Hungary of course support sanctions but we know that it is EU who forces them etc. Although he doesn't appear in news very often.

I guess RT does this to Western audience much more, because it doesn't actually matter what common Russian think about Orban, but supporting non-mainstream position makes RT more interesting for naive westerners. Modern EU politics already is a horrible mess even without Russia, so why don't take some points when it is possible? Especially when you literally can just sit and wait while EU politics ruin union with their shitty actions.


Bernd 04/10/2018 (Tue) 11:36:37 [Preview] No.15803 del
>>15775
Slovenian parliamentary.

Was scheduled to be in late June but the prime minister ragequit about a month ago and it will probably be by the end of May instead.

The guy with highest support in pols doesn't have a programme, doesn't appear in public, and all the reports of hem being popular are rated 1 star, so I call bullshit.
The sheeple are gonna fall for it again though.


Bernd 04/10/2018 (Tue) 17:37:26 [Preview] No.15820 del
>>15803
You wrote somewhere about the presidential elections, I recollect. I think it was in the previous news thread, you OPd but it dieded. You wrote a bit about the parties but they weren't the ones in the center of attention. Could you make introductions whenever?
>The guy with highest support in pols doesn't have a programme, doesn't appear in public, and all the reports of hem being popular are rated 1 star
Lulzy.


Bernd 04/11/2018 (Wed) 09:10:30 [Preview] No.15840 del
>>15820
Yea I will in a while, when the date is announced I guess.


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All right if goose then make it fat one. How people cast their vote? This is very be relevant to the original topic.
Pic #1 - by age
Pic #2 - by median age
Pic #3 - by sex
Notable things by age: more old people vote on Fidesz, because right now they bought many retired people with certain favors to them; also more old people vote "socialist" probably because of the nostalgic factor of their youth, they lived their first 20-40 years during the communist era.
Notable things by sex: less women vote on Jobbik (are they afraid of radical movements?) and more on "socialist". Latter probably correlates with age as men die younger, more old women who vote by their nostalgic feelings.


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Pic #1 - by frequency of visiting church
from top to bottom
- several times per month
- several times per year
- only on celebrations, family events (I guess like marriage, funeral)
- never
Pic #2 - by settlement type
from top to bottom:
- Budapest
- towns
- villages

Notes on religion: very interesting is the Jobbik's voter base, they visit temples far less, however they usually interested more in neo-pagan religions.
Notes on settlement: it has a correlation with age and religiousness. Lots of young people moves to towns and to BP in the hopes of better work and more pay so older generations stay behind. The country is also more religious.


Bernd 04/15/2018 (Sun) 14:18:02 [Preview] No.15957 del
>>15955
One more note on age: Jobbik and the liberal parties (LMP, Momentum) are supported more among younger voters. It might be thanks for the fact that younger generations are more rebellious and they turn conservative later, but also it could be because they are got enough of the other parties which already were on government and proved they are all shit.



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