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bolitics serios discussion – edició català Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 16:32:06 [Preview] No. 10368
Catalans have been acting pretty edgily lately. (note the correct usage of adverb there, and not the adjective) Their parliament apparently wants to illegally hold a binding referendum on independence, which is against the Spanish constitution.


Let's see what the Russian proofsters report on that.


Interdasting. It would seem the date is 1st of October. Until then, we can expect lots of backpedaling. But let us be surprised and hope something actually happens this time.

Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 18:49:44 [Preview] No. 10373 del
I'm not sure how to feel about this. In the times of EU I think autonomy is enough. I don't know the specifics on how things work in Iberia but I would guess an independent Catalonia still had to cooperate closely with the rest of Spain.

Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 19:13:42 [Preview] No. 10374 del
Yep considering EU it's equally retarded as Scotland (before they knew results of brexit referendum, jej). However, Catalans are commies while Spain is Jesuit right (same as EU leadership) so their point is that by being directly vassalised by EU they get some more political space at home.

Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 19:45:18 [Preview] No. 10375 del
Isn't Catalonia economically more developed or more wealthy then the other provinces?

Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 20:19:32 [Preview] No. 10376 del
>Catalonia becomes independent
>Podemos and PSOE lose a large voting base
>move their positions rightwards to retain voters
>as a result, the Overton window in Spain moves to the right
I can't see how this is any different from Calexit.

Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 22:59:34 [Preview] No. 10383 del
>Si amanece, nos vamos
I think this is a bad idea.
> In 2014, the region staged an informal vote on independence, during which some 80 percent voted to split from Spain. However, the vote had a poor turnout: only about a third of the region’s voters came to the polls.

Bernd 09/13/2017 (Wed) 23:35:44 [Preview] No. 10384 del
It is, as the right wing currently in power in Spain EU Jesuits. Well at least they aren't Merkel-tier, I guess.

Another thing I'd like to point out is; does anyone else feel like only socialist supported independence movements seem to get coverage in international media? You hear of Catalans, Scots and Kurds, but rarely of Venetians or Corsicans.

Speaking of Venetians, they're about as serious about it as Catalans right now. The pro-independence party is firmly in power, they ran an informal online poll on which (if results are to be believed) 56.6% of all eligible voters voted yes, in December 2016 a bill has passed that declared Venetians a national minority (important for language rights), and they're holding an autonomy referendum later in October (along with Lombardy).

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 05:30:11 [Preview] No. 10388 del
>does anyone else feel like only socialist supported independence movements seem to get coverage in international media? You hear of Catalans, Scots and Kurds, but rarely of Venetians or Corsicans.
Not to mention the Székelys. They're still pushing for autonomy first tho.

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 08:28:00 [Preview] No. 10389 del
Yes. Basically the South is leaching from the North and tries to destroy their national idendity and now the Caralans have enough of that shit and are striking back by making a referendum where they will vote if they are for freedom or furthermore cuckoldry.

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 08:41:37 [Preview] No. 10390 del
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>right wing currently in power in Spain
>only socialist supported independence movements

Is there someone in Europe who isn't socialist and left wing? Maybe from inside people can notice subtle differences, but from outside they all full socialist-tier already.

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 16:11:13 [Preview] No. 10394 del
The outside perspective is that Nordic welfare state is not true socialism, because some parts of it aren't bad and that's inconvenient for blaming socialism for everything bad in the world. We can't allow that because the whole world must be converted into capitalism so that things like slave trade can start to regulate themselves into nonexistence.

Free movement of immigrants of course is 100% socialistic and will only turn universal healthcare that wasn't true socialism into being true socialism when the system breaks. Free agents using force to appropriate resources has nothing to do with capitalism, obviously, unless if its the good part of capitalism that maces Nordics partly non-socialist.

My point is that outside perspective is retarded.

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 16:31:22 [Preview] No. 10395 del
What happened to KC?

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 16:53:43 [Preview] No. 10396 del
Happened something?

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 17:00:55 [Preview] No. 10397 del
I think they added a bypass thing as a joke. It's area blocking IPs but instead of showing "you can't enter, lol" it is what it is. You have to be clever to enter the site.

^ possibly a very false statement

^ certainly gravely offtopic

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 17:09:28 [Preview] No. 10399 del
Too bad, I'm not clever

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 17:31:18 [Preview] No. 10400 del
>bypass thing

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 20:11:20 [Preview] No. 10405 del
Oh please, you don't need that level of sarcasm.

>Free movement of immigrants of course is 100% socialistic and will only turn universal healthcare that wasn't true socialism into being true socialism when the system breaks

Pretty much, I don't know about 100% though. Socialism, at least not the national-socialism, is about equality, and providing worst equality for everyone is better than providing good healthcare for small group of privileged rich people, i.e. nordic citizens. From non-nazi socialism viewpoint people from Nigeria are pretty much same as people from Sweden, so why former have worst conditions while latter are bathing in richness and comfort? We are aiming to humanitarian superpower, right?

It is also about destroying wrong old order of evil oppressing hierarchy. This concept isn't modern SJW thing like "old-style communists" like to think, it was same from start. Lenin, for example, wrote almost same things about Russian majority like modern left-wing ideologists write about da evil whitey. He and early commies also supported anti-christianity but rarely tried to bully other religions like Islam, just to support fighting the oppression.

It helps to remove societal relationships and trust, so it allows to create the "new man", like "new Soviet man", who doesn't have history and culture, but starts from tabula rasa state.

So, opening borders and worsening conditions of people is not really foreign thing for hardcore socialists. You just viewing this from pure economical viewpoint, but it isn't only economics that matters there.

>slave trade can start to regulate themselves

Capitalists also eat kids.

Bernd 09/14/2017 (Thu) 23:51:49 [Preview] No. 10408 del
>From non-nazi socialism viewpoint
AND from capitalist viewpoint it would be a free market competition over the same resources
>opening borders and worsening conditions of people is not really foreign thing for hardcore socialists
and not for capitalists either, so moot point
>socialism is about equality
Partly, but equality is an entirely different concept that's used as its marketing strategy, when socialism is just about socialism. Social ownership of resources, ergo immigrants would have a social right to compete over them.

The reason this is relevant with Spanish right wing is that being EU jesuits is beneficial to the right wing for purely economic reasons regardless of the socialists who may also want more immigrants for ideological reasons, so calling them all socialists is just a poor deflection. It's like saying that everything is socialism because a person who cleans floors eats the same amount of food as a deadbeat does so it's really just a "subtle difference" of some dirt piling up. It's an essential difference, not subtle at all.

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 00:04:51 [Preview] No. 10409 del
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With all these clamorings for secessions in Europe we might as well secede into individual households where every family keeps their tax entirely to themselves.

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 05:06:57 [Preview] No. 10410 del
There were some idea about same with monarchies so girls could indulge in their fantasies of being princesses.

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 05:13:45 [Preview] No. 10411 del
>>socialism is about equality
No. Socialism is entirely about equality. You know Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité. It's the Égalité.

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 16:20:11 [Preview] No. 10429 del
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elmao, the rulecucks are quite literally fascist (note: that's bundle of sticks is called fasces)

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 16:54:25 [Preview] No. 10435 del
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Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 17:32:44 [Preview] No. 10436 del
wtf I hate trump now

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 17:48:56 [Preview] No. 10437 del
Madrid is resorting to Judaism already

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 18:25:58 [Preview] No. 10441 del
From the perspective of the Spanish government it was a mistake to give autonomy to Catalunya. But now if they revoked it that would cause massive outcry. I dunno how serious the situation is the media is always inclined to exaggeration.

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 19:09:56 [Preview] No. 10446 del
Well, you could say it was. Catalans are clearly not mature enough for self-government

Bernd 09/15/2017 (Fri) 19:28:44 [Preview] No. 10447 del
Not really that. Autonomy is always just a first step toward independence. This is why Romanians don't want to give it to the Székelys. And of course because they are afraid that Hungary will back their pursuit of independence.

Bernd 09/17/2017 (Sun) 00:29:41 [Preview] No. 10495 del
Català en Alemany? en el meu KC? es la novetat des monats!

Bernd 09/17/2017 (Sun) 05:23:43 [Preview] No. 10496 del
So, does this strengthen or weaken the position of Basque separatists?

Bernd 09/17/2017 (Sun) 05:49:09 [Preview] No. 10498 del
That depends on the outcome it could give them a legal precedence which would support their cause. They aren't necessarily an ally for Catalonia with their terrorist past.

Bernd 09/18/2017 (Mon) 05:12:55 [Preview] No. 10511 del

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Bernd 09/18/2017 (Mon) 09:36:45 [Preview] No. 10518 del
>Israeli flags could be seen flying in the crowd.
Just not from this panoramic angle goy.
Also are these shirts what I think they are?

Bernd 09/18/2017 (Mon) 15:30:27 [Preview] No. 10529 del
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oy vey

>1000 men on rally
doesn't seem very big

Bernd 09/18/2017 (Mon) 16:54:47 [Preview] No. 10531 del
Tried to find an expressive picture for my reply when I stumbled into this and somehow grew upon me. Also all the other findings suck.

Bernd 09/20/2017 (Wed) 17:02:30 [Preview] No. 10575 del
So shits is hitting the fan. My guess is that the central state is doing this on purpose to get rid of the Catalan gommies.

Bernd 09/20/2017 (Wed) 17:13:00 [Preview] No. 10576 del
yeah, the kcmodded media are already oyveying at the thought of armed police arrests
proofs of said arrests

Bernd 09/20/2017 (Wed) 18:27:41 [Preview] No. 10577 del
Well, demonstrations were inevitable.
Btw. When was the last time this thing was on the table?

Bernd 09/21/2017 (Thu) 05:14:13 [Preview] No. 10583 del
So why don't the Spanish government let them hold this referendum, they could just rule it unconstitutional again and that's done for another 3-4 years.
Change only comes through... >>10582

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